Dr Beinfest

Great question. Where does he GO? I haven't thought ABOUT that. I'm SURPRISED they even acquired him.

Trace any of my posts through this whole timeline. I got it just fine.

The Marlins were robbed blindly in this trade. The fact that they are paying conditional salary and are left with figuring out Starlin Castro says a lot. Starlin Castro has a lot more trade value from the Yankees versus from our firesale angle. Jeter is a moron and he kept a moron as GM. Stanton was a hard player to get lots of value for with his contract, but make no mistake, the Marlins lost this trade badly.

Dude you can't just make a narrative up. Literally everybody in the middle of November had an article out claiming Jeter had yet to speak to Stanton. He's quoted for saying "I will if it's necessary" or something along those lines. And there's a difference between owner talking to player and GM talking to agent.

I'm aware that they talked. I never said they didn't ultimately. I said Derek Jeter claimed they didn't have to. It wasn't until late in the process... Why do they have to? First of all, it's respect to the player. Believe it or not, they're people. Second, it impacts the way your team can negotiate. It also impacts which negotiations are a total waste of time. Instead of giving a player an ultimatum, why not just be real with them?

Dude there's a direct quote of him, while they were shopping Stanton, saying he hasn't talked to him and doesn't need to. Save the BS. It's not a lie spread by the media.

I don't give a shit if he's at the meetings or not, but boy... for someone calling the shots from the big boy chair... sure does look rather fucking arrogant that he's not there. Just how he didn't need to speak to Stanton.

Yeah... firing Waltz could be all about rebranding, a new image, a new era... Or it could be because Jeter wants to give his guy a chance at it. We don't know. But it doesn't seem very likely that FS Florida fired Rich Waltz. There isn't a reason for that.

I'm talking about Prado, Volquez, Chen, Ziegler, Tazawa, Ichiro, etc. Largely untradeable contracts. But, an organization that took a full season of losses and craftily shed these contracts would've been the more responsible ownership group that accurately understood the fan climate in Florida. Bottom line is this franchise isn't actually worth buying in the first place. Not from a huge profit perspective. From the ownership perspective it's a good place to put your money because it's an MLB franchise and the value only goes up. But it's an awful franchise to try to make profitable. Because, in order to do that, big risks must be taken. Bottom line... a firesale was the worst thing a new owner could've done. It was the most sensible thing from a neutral financial perspective, but that doesn't mean it was correct. The fans are the one with money. The fans behind the TV, and the fans in the ballpark. This team needed a very rich owner to prop it up and repair it, not dismantle it. The fans aren't coming back. Not for a long time. It won't be profitable in the foreseeable future.

Ignoring the endless list of criticisms that have been stated about Jeter & Co. already... Doea *nobody* think their naive approach of "tear it down if you build it, they will come" is nothing more than the SAME exact thing the prior ownership implemented? It's the firesales that hurt fan confidence in the first place and make this method a bad idea. The team will continue to hemmorage money. The better approach was probably someone willing to take losses by shedding salaries on the outside of the core and within the organization and building fan confidence. In that mode, if you build it, they will come. Jeter/Sherman have the blessing of being able to blame their predecessors, but in fact they are no different.

He's displayed immense incompetence the entire time. Have you not read the rest of my posts about him?

Fuck Jeter. But im happy that Stanton has a chance to play in a tiny park in front of a massive fanbase who will appreciate him maybe chasing history if he stays healthy and competitive.

I found about three trades I liked on that list. And then as I kept reading, the player received from the trade I liked would be involved in an awful trade lmao.

There is no next season. Baseball is dead.

It's those darn reading comprehension skills.

Dude they already had like 1,000 fans. Trading Stanton was it. People don't give a shit about Ozuna. Not the fanbase as a whole. There's no more point to have a "face." Jose died and Stanton was traded. Time to start over new. The whole team goes, for prospects.

Remember when San Diego got futures and prospects in Carter Capps, Jared Cosart, Luis Castillo, and Josh Naylor for like, total scrubs? How many Stantons could that package have gotten us?

Agree with you, but... shocked Jeter hasn't publicly addressed the fans.

I mean let's be clear: Stanton could have fetched more with his large contract if: - The Marlins didn't have a history of firesales - The Marlins weren't just sold under premise of a firesale - The Marlins weren't hemorrhaging money - Derek Jeter didn't publicly announce the Marlins were shedding salary - Derek Jeter didn't publicly announce the target of $90 million - Stanton didn't have an opt out after 3 years - Jeffrey Loria didn't backload Stanton's contract (but I understand why) - An owner with more capital had purchased this team - Derek Jeter knew what he was doing

Yeah. Keeping Starlin Castro is dumb. Trade his ass.

He's come back to destroy us after what we did to them in 2003.

As I said a few pages ago... imagine if Jeter sent Stanton to the Yankees in a deal that obviously favors the Yankees. Imagine how bad that would look... once a Yankee always a Yankee sort of thing.

Remember when we could've had Tagg Romney or Jeb! or the Kushners or Jorge Mas could've been calling the shots? Thanx Loria.

I wasn't talking, I was coughing.

*cough* reigning MVP *cough* grasping at straws *cough*