Why has Derek Jeter received so much hate?

[Erick]

Is it because he’s a former Yankee?

 

 

[SonOfJack]

It is because a lot of people are stupid.

 

 

[sdg210]

Is I because he's done nothing but fuck up since he got here? Do you even watch the news? 

 

 

[fauowls44]

I do think a lot of it is unfair.  I mean, he's made mistakes so far, no doubt, but anyone that was going to buy the team was going to have to clear the payroll.  The minor league system, or lack thereof, necessitates a rebuild.  Really, this needed to be done last year after the death of Jose.

 

The problem is that Jeter hasn't been public enough.  If he comes out and speaks to the media and let's the public know of the plan, I think people would be more receptive to it.   Nobody likes a fire sale, but if there is a clear plan out out there, more people would be willing to give the ownership a chance to execute it.  Also, he has the perfect opportunity to shift the blame on Loria here...not sure why he hasn't taken it. 

 

 

[THRILLHO]

There are large numbers that feel:

 

He was part of an ownership group that shouldn’t have been allowed to buy the club

 

He is unqualified for the job of Director of Baseball Operations

 

He did not eloquently handle the dismissal of the glad handing Marlin Legend Crew

 

His timing on declining the renewal on the scout’s contract in the hospital will poorly timed

 

His choice not to have face to face conversations with many of these people, and Stanton, along the way was incorrect.

 

BUT….

 

It is mostly what Bald Eagle and SonofJack said.  People have a hard time dealing with the reality that the organizational depth chart on the field is extremely poor and there is major work to be done. 

 

 

[taiwanmarlin]

No,it's because he doing something that he's not capable to do.

 

 

[THRILLHO]

A couple more things:

 

The choice to tear this down is unquestionably the correct choice.  But this idea that the Marlins routinely “fire sell” is  both exaggerated and also should have no bearing on the decision to do it with this team.  It really isn’t about Stantons contract, or the batting order in general.  It is more about the utter sh-t show on the pitching side, a handful of awful contracts there too, and the pathetic farm.  A lot of casual sports fans tend to think the winter of 97 happened three times when really it was once.  The 2003 team was given two additional years to compete for division titles before pieces were sold off.  The free agents signed for the 2012 season shouldn’t have been signed to begin with.  The famous trade with the Blue Jays which prompted Stanton’s “now I’m pissed” tweet was actually the correct decision. 

 

What if the Marlins hadn’t traded Anthony DeSclafani for Mat Latos?

 

What if the Marlins hadn’t traded Luis Castillo for Dan Straily?

 

What if the Marlins hadn’t signed Volquez, Tazawa, and Chen to contracts that provide no value to the team?

 

These aren’t Jeter’s problems, but he is tasked to solve the problem and personally I’m not confident he has the tools to do it simply because he has no experience working in successful front offices in MLB.  Is Michael Hill responsible?  Maybe.  Or maybe Loria was more involved in baseball ops decisions than we realize.  Incredible things can happen on a whim.  Even Jeter’s own playing career was affected by small choices.  The Reds were all set to draft Jeter out of high school.  The scouting all pointed towards drafting him but some old stodgy scout vetoed the whole thing on draft day and they decided to go with Chad Mottolla instead.  Look at those dominos fall!

 

 

[SilverBullet]

Is it because he’s a former Yankee?

 

What do u mean "former?" The internet has spent this entire weekend trying to convince me that he still works for the Yankees as a spy. 

 

 

[Jokersgoon]

Because a lot of people want to complain for the sake of complaining. 

 

My only issue was the waltz firing. 

 

Everything else I’ve been more than fine with. 

 

 

[CYmarlins]

I think from a PR perspective Jeter has done a bad job. I was thinking there would be more transparency with the Marlins after the team was sold, seems to be almost the same if not worse. Who knows once the dust settles things will be a little better. Baseball-wise you gotta wait for the results. Tha albatross of contracts on this team sucks. Chen, Volzquez, Tazawa. Luckily the last two come off the books after this season.

 

But I don't think it is fair they are getting this much scrutiny, anyone that would have inherited this team would be going through the same thing.

 

 

[CYmarlins]

Main reason for me is that he and his group are too poor to be owning this franchise. It seems like a vanity thing and if Jeter weren't a golden boy, Mas would have possibly gotten the team.

 

Yeah I will agree that is pathetic that they are still looking for about $250 million in investors.

 

 

[fish20]

I think from a PR perspective Jeter has done a bad job. I was thinking there would be more transparency with the Marlins after the team was sold, seems to be almost the same if not worse. Who knows once the dust settles things will be a little better. Baseball-wise you gotta wait for the results. Tha albatross of contracts on this team sucks. Chen, Volzquez, Tazawa. Luckily the last two come off the books after this season.

 

But I don't think it is fair they are getting this much scrutiny, anyone that would have inherited this team would be going through the same thing.

 

this exactly.  the PR leaves something to be desired, but the amount of ridiculous hate he has gotten is so over the top.  You'd think he was tearing down a good team rather than a team that hasnt finished over .500 in nearly a decade.

 

 

[Jokersgoon]

Mas didn’t have the money either. 

 

 

[fish20]

Mas didn’t have the money either. 

 

there was not one person who was going to buy the team and not do some partial stripping down of the team.  No one is buying a business and being ok with losing millions of dollars every year right away and for the foreseeable future.

 

 

[CYmarlins]

Mas would have had the advantage of having the proper business experience. But to say he wasn't going to do the same thing would be stupid. This group overpaid for the team and now is broke looking for more investors.

 

 

[fish20]

Now buster olney, who im not sure why but seems to have an irrational hatred for Jeter, is criticizing him for not being at the winter meetings.  People do realize jeter isnt our GM or president of baseball operations, right?  He is the organization CEO and he has less than a 1% stake in the team, but he isnt making baseball decisions.  He might be giving general guidance as to the direction he wants Denbo and Hill to take the team, but this is just more irrational criticism of Jeter.  It would like being mad at Jeffrey Loria for not going to the winter meetings.  I'd prefer my owner to stay the hell away from the winter meetings or at the very least not meddle in the decision making of the baseball people.

 

 

[CYmarlins]

Now buster olney, who im not sure why but seems to have an irrational hatred for Jeter, is criticizing him for not being at the winter meetings.  People do realize jeter isnt our GM or president of baseball operations, right?  He is the organization CEO and he has less than a 1% stake in the team, but he isnt making baseball decisions.  He might be giving general guidance as to the direction he wants Denbo and Hill to take the team, but this is just more irrational criticism of Jeter.  It would like being mad at Jeffrey Loria for not going to the winter meetings.  I'd prefer my owner to stay the hell away from the winter meetings or at the very least not meddle in the decision making of the baseball people.

 

I stopped giving a crap what Olney even said about 5 years ago. He's not the reporter he used to be.

 

Jeter is basically gonna be texting Hill and Denbo and being kept informed of what is going on. I agree with him not meddling allowing the others do their jobs.

 

 

[SilverBullet]

Everyone says how inexperienced Jeter is at owning a baseball team so isn't it smart for him to NOT be at the meetings and just let his actual front office do their jobs?

 

 

[SonOfJack]

Everyone says how inexperienced Jeter is at owning a baseball team so isn't it smart for him to NOT be at the meetings and just let his actual front office do their jobs?

 

Correct.

 

 

[fish20]

I stopped giving a crap what Olney even said about 5 years ago. He's not the reporter he used to be.

 

Jeter is basically gonna be texting Hill and Denbo and being kept informed of what is going on. I agree with him not meddling allowing the others do their jobs.

 

I like Olney, it's just his hate for jeter on twitter the last few days is ridiculous and misguided.  I dont understand how people think Jeter is making baseball moves.  Denbo and Hill are.  Jeter might be giving direction, but there is 0 chance he is actually doing anything of substance as far as making the actual moves themselves goes.

 

 

[fish20]

Everyone says how inexperienced Jeter is at owning a baseball team so isn't it smart for him to NOT be at the meetings and just let his actual front office do their jobs?

 

Yup.  I guess it comes with the territory as a new owner and especially as a famous new owner, but he is just going to have to face the fact that he is not going to win with the media and their criticism.  Especially media people who dont really care to look at the marlins as a whole and realize he is 100% doing the right thing.

 

This is a great point though.  If he goes, people would say why is he making moves and in charge of the baseball operations when he has no experience.  Now that he isnt going and is letting his baseball people call the shots, now people are outraged the other way and are saying he should be there since he is head of baseball operations.  It's just a no win situation.

 

 

[Erick]

Is I because he's done nothing but fuck up since he got here? Do you even watch the news? 

 

What has he done that’s so wrong?

 

 

[Erick]

Because a lot of people want to complain for the sake of complaining. 

 

My only issue was the waltz firing. 

 

Everything else I’ve been more than fine with. 

 

Jeter probably didn’t even fire Waltz.

 

 

[SonOfJack]

Also, he has the perfect opportunity to shift the blame on Loria here...not sure why he hasn't taken it. 

 

Cause then it'll spun as him passing the buck even if it is true.

 

 

[SonOfJack]

Jeter probably didn’t even fire Waltz.

 

Yeah that's very speculative. More likely he did indirectly. Waltz was probably due to make too much and Fox knows ratings will go lower during the rebuild.