Ramp Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Josh, we arent arguing who is better overall... right now, Marcus is the better player....bottom line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Josh, we arent arguing who is better overall... right now, Marcus is the better player....bottom line Whats your point? There you said yourself Luis is better than Giles overall. Giles, next year, could have a horrible season. Meanwhile people already know what to expect from Luis because he has established himself. BTW: Luis is not getting stronger as he gets older. He has always had power from the rght side of the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Luis is better overall Marcus is better right now... that's my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Just because he's better right now does not mean he will always be. Look at Demspter he was a great pitcher in 2000 and look what happaned with him! It could happen to Giles too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Josh, we arent arguing who is better overall... right now, Marcus is the better player....bottom line Whats your point? There you said yourself Luis is better than Giles overall. Giles, next year, could have a horrible season. Meanwhile people already know what to expect from Luis because he has established himself. BTW: Luis is not getting stronger as he gets older. He has always had power from the rght side of the plate. Luis has not established himself... Luis has not alway's been a .300 hitter if you actually followed The Marlins... Luis is not the mold for consistency so that's not a great example Your right Giles could have a bad year next year Like Pat Burrell this year. But... Juan Encarnacion can hit the wall and have a bad year so can Pavano... Beckett... and Penny if he is still hear. The point is could only counts when it does happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 Juan Encarnacion, Beckett, Penny, and Pavano have done nothing special like Luis has. Becket, Penny, and Pavano have never won more than 10 games in a season, and Juan has never had a 90 RBI season. So dont use them as examples. Luis has hit over .300 2 times and is likely to do it again this year. He did not do it in 2001 because he struggled, and he has had a 35 game hitting streak. He has also lead the league in steals like 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 again. Luis is the better player thru 2 months+, Giles has been the better player... what's to argue about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 again. Luis is the better player thru 2 months+, Giles has been the better player... what's to argue about? Yes, so you cannot add Giles to the list of 5 better 2b than Luis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 again. Luis is the better player thru 2 months+, Giles has been the better player... what's to argue about? Yes, so you cannot add Giles to the list of 5 better 2b than Luis. when did i do that? never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlins Bandit Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 right now you are right Rune.... The argument is not for right now, it is who are the top 5 2B in the game. There are 5 RF with better numbers than Vlad right now, however, would you not put him in the top 5 RF in the game? Come on Ramp and think about it, the season is 2+ months old, to say Giles is a better 2B than Castillo, thats laughable, even on crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephisto Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 I'm just saying he cant be put into the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted June 14, 2003 Share Posted June 14, 2003 I dont remember saying Giles is the better player overall... Luis is in the top 5 overall...no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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