Watch the Speech Here:

http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/convention....Rot_Cat_CD=DEMS

One quibble:

 

"Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there?s not a liberal America and a conservative America?there?s the United States of America. There?s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there?s the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats"

 

I thought there were Two Americas!

One quibble:

 

"Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there?s not a liberal America and a conservative America?there?s the United States of America. There?s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there?s the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats"

 

I thought there were Two Americas!

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Democrats keep saying there are 2 Americas, then...true to Kerry form...this speech comes out of the Kerry campaign and assigned to Obama and it sounds like a huge flip flop.

Don't confuse the man with party dogma - he's on a roll. You gotta go with it.

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The speech was written by a Kerry campaign writer. Obama was just the mouthpiece.

Don't confuse the man with party dogma - he's on a roll.? You gotta go with it.

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The speech was written by a Kerry campaign writer. Obama was just the mouthpiece.

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Its known as "Plausable deniability" :shifty

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This entire convention, as with all political conventions, is carefully put together by the dominant campaign.

 

Kerry's campaign has gone so overboard, they have banned Bush Bashing and put the lyrics of the music up that singers will be performing on the speech screens so no "mishaps" happen.

It was a great speech, but too perfect to grab my attention. He was so hyped by the media that when I finally got to see the speech....I yawned.

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:lol

 

At least be fair. It was a good speech. I mean could you show that your a Republican anymore with those comments.

 

I finally listened to it and it was a good speech remind me a bit of MLK.

 

I'd love to see him get a chance one day to make a run at the Presidency.

It was a great speech, but too perfect to grab my attention. He was so hyped by the media that when I finally got to see the speech....I yawned.

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:lol

 

At least be fair. It was a good speech. I mean could you show that your a Republican anymore with those comments.

 

I finally listened to it and it was a good speech remind me a bit of MLK.

 

I'd love to see him get a chance one day to make a run at the Presidency.

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I said it was a great speech, but the way he delivered it didn't catch my attention.

His speech was so perfect, it was boring.

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Cape, if you have nothing positive to say about Barack than don't say it. You would've been all over it if it had been someone like a Rush Limbaugh saying it. Please. Even Tonyi agrees the speech was good.

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don't waste your time....

 

objectivity anyone? :thumbdown

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I have more objectivity than most on this board. Don't give me that crap. It was a good speech, but it was delivered robotically. Sounded like something you would here on Turnpike Information Radio.

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Cape,

 

I know you support President Bush, but to say this man's speech was robotic has to be the greatest lie I have ever heard anyone saying. Most of the media gurus, including extreme right-wing men like Buchanan and Scarborough were very impressed.

 

People were crying during his speech, it moved them to their feet. I didn't know who Obama was until his address. I was not only moved and pumped, but I felt that even if President Bush wins, the Democrats still have hope for the future. I dare to say he did the impossible and even overshadowed Clinton. That is how powerful his speech was.

I think Obama was a bit idealistic but I like his energy and enthusiasm. I fear its only a matter of time before he realizes the frustrations that is special interest politics.

 

The division between the red states and the blue states is a lot larger than some will realize. There are major differences in values that lead to different Americas. Deny it all you want as political rhetoric.

 

And cape, you have as much objectivity as Bin Laden arguing about the US.

His speech was so perfect, it was boring.

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Cape, if you have nothing positive to say about Barack than don't say it. You would've been all over it if it had been someone like a Rush Limbaugh saying it. Please. Even Tonyi agrees the speech was good.

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don't waste your time....

 

objectivity anyone? :thumbdown

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I have more objectivity than most on this board. Don't give me that crap. It was a good speech, but it was delivered robotically. Sounded like something you would here on Turnpike Information Radio.

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Cape,

 

I know you support President Bush, but to say this man's speech was robotic has to be the greatest lie I have ever heard anyone saying. Most of the media gurus, including extreme right-wing men like Buchanan and Scarborough were very impressed.

 

People were crying during his speech, it moved them to their feet. I didn't know who Obama was until his address. I was not only moved and pumped, but I felt that even if President Bush wins, the Democrats still have hope for the future. I dare to say he did the impossible and even overshadowed Clinton. That is how powerful his speech was.

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I dont think he is a better speaker than clinton, but his speech was better than clinton's. Why b/c hes the prodigy that can make a future run, clinton is done wiht his presidency. He's a good speaker, but the speech writers did a good job to rile up the dems

I dont think he is a better speaker than clinton, but his speech was better than clinton's. Why b/c hes the prodigy that can make a future run, clinton is done wiht his presidency. He's a good speaker, but the speech writers did a good job to rile up the dems

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I have to correct you on something. He wrote his own speech. He was one of the few speakers who was allowed to keep his speech almost intact.

I dont think he is a better speaker than clinton, but his speech was better than clinton's. Why b/c hes the prodigy that can make a future run, clinton is done wiht his presidency. He's a good speaker, but the speech writers did a good job to rile up the dems

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I have to correct you on something. He wrote his own speech. He was one of the few speakers who was allowed to keep his speech almost intact.

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Oh was he? That defintely is noteworthy. But the DP and kerry campaign must have reviewed iut to make sure it was kosher, correct?

I dont think he is a better speaker than clinton, but his speech was better than clinton's. Why b/c hes the prodigy that can make a future run, clinton is done wiht his presidency. He's a good speaker, but the speech writers did a good job to rile up the dems

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I have to correct you on something. He wrote his own speech. He was one of the few speakers who was allowed to keep his speech almost intact.

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Oh was he? That defintely is noteworthy. But the DP and kerry campaign must have reviewed iut to make sure it was kosher, correct?

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They reviewed just about 98% of all speakers speeches. There were 2% who got a pass. Clinton and Obama were part of that 2%.

 

The speakers were asked to send a draft of their speeches far in advance for the campaign speech writers to review and ensure there was no blatant Bush bashing. They were given clear instructions that they could write whatever they wanted as long as they kept it positive.

Cape and Repubs.....

 

 

 

All the same crap you are accusing the Democrats of.....

 

 

 

The RNC will be the exact same way.

 

 

 

 

Obama gave a great speech...a speech you woudl expect from a younger member of the party...it was full of idealism...but thats something you often find in the younger generation. As long as Obama can stay true to his vision and his values....he WILL accomplish great things in this nation.

 

 

 

Now if only Texas can get their act together on the Democratic side...I'm tired of all this conservative right wing crap in my home.

Now if only Texas can get their act together on the Democratic side...I'm tired of all this conservative right wing crap in my home.

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It all starts with people like you Das. You have to stand up, talk your opinions and not be afraid of speaking honestly. I could bet that there are many regular people in Texas who are just not that much involved in politics because they just want to live and let live, but who hold dear their civil liberties, their jobs, their environment and that if they got involved, Texas would be Democratic. Find them! :thumbup

We were very Democratic up until the mid 80s - early 90s.

 

 

 

but in time Texas Democrats will rise up again...even though i'm not officially a Democrat.

We were very Democratic up until the mid 80s - early 90s.

 

 

 

but in time Texas Democrats will rise up again...even though i'm not officially a Democrat.

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A swing voter!!!! *grabs Das and rounds him with the rest of captured swing voters*

if i had to pick a party i pick the Democrats.

 

 

I sure as hell dont like 70% of the Republican agenda.....

 

 

but i dont want to classify myself neither.....

 

 

 

something about commitement.

You can do it, Das!!! Just believe in yourself and you can fly!!!! Oh wait, what was the topic again. Mmm, ok.... oh yeah, just believe in yourself, and you can make Texas democratic again. You could be like Johnny Appleseed, except we would call you Dassy Liberalseed, walking all around Texas spreading the gospel of John Kerry to all the good little boys and girls.

if i had to pick a party i pick the Democrats.

 

I sure as hell dont like 70% of the Republican agenda.....

 

but i dont want to classify myself neither.....

 

something about commitement.

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:mischief But I thought you were already a committed man... Last I heard the ring was on someone's finger???? :mischief

ya there's probably a lot of things you are not fully aware of

 

 

anyway...i digress.

 

 

i prefer to remain an 'independent' until the time comes when picking a party formally would be of some use to me.

ya there's probably a lot of things you are not fully aware of

 

 

anyway...i digress.

 

 

i prefer to remain an 'independent' until the time comes when picking a party formally would be of some use to me.

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You could have voted for Dean if you were a Democrat :whistle

ya there's probably a lot of things you are not fully aware of

 

 

anyway...i digress.

 

 

i prefer to remain an 'independent' until the time comes when picking a party formally would be of some use to me.

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You could have voted for Dean if you were a Democrat :whistle

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I did vote for Dean.

The main reason Obama's speech was so well-received is because he focused on topics that everyone can agree on - Jobs are GOOD. Equality is GOOD. Inclusion is GOOD. I'm not seeing a whole lot of specifics on how the Kerry can make a better America without a whole of platitudes leaving viewers to fill in the "blanks" that Bush is against all these things.

 

I guess that makes me a right-winger. Oh, the hell of a critical mind.

ya there's probably a lot of things you are not fully aware of

 

anyway...i digress.

 

i prefer to remain an 'independent' until the time comes when picking a party formally would be of some use to me.

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You could have voted for Dean if you were a Democrat :whistle

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I did vote for Dean.

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Texas allows independants to vote during the primaries? I didn't know. Cool.

 

I love Dean, but Bush would have squashed him. Kerry was the only one with the resume and experience to beat Bush. However, I don't think Dean is done, I think he is going to keep pressing from inside to bring some real change inside the Democratic Party.