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I just want to bring this issue up to see what people think. Let's say we do away with social welfare in its entirety. How do we help the poor? you may ask. How about for every dollar you contribute to a private charity of your choosing you receive dollar for dollar tax credit on your income taxes (or any other taxes). So if you donate 500 dollars, you pay 500 dollars less in taxes. This is not the case now where charity donations are only tax deductible by a percentage. This is incentive to increase donations to charities to help the 'needy', but the money and the choice is in the hands of the individual to choose where it goes and such, and it will always limit the bureaucracy that your money will flow through. In addition it will go to a program you feel is necessary and will limit govt's power over us, which in turn increases our freedom. Thoughts?

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it sounds good.....but it still forces people to give money. Some don't want to give....and maybe they shouldn't have to.

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True, but the point is that taxes will always exist as much as people want them gone, and with this it gives you more flexibility than we currently have. Its defintely a step in the right direction

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it sounds good.....but it still forces people to give money.? Some don't want to give....and maybe they shouldn't have to.

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True, but the point is that taxes will always exist as much as people want them gone, and with this it gives you more flexibility than we currently have. Its defintely a step in the right direction

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I agree...it sounds like a good idea, and would definitely be a "step in the right direction"...

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It sounds like a good idea but doubt it could work.

 

First what defines a charity? Who is to decide what charity is for one to another. If I give a 100 bucks to my neighbor so he can buy some grocery's, Is that not charity? Doubt it would show up on the government radar though. Another thing with this situation, say people have been giving to a church charity that they thought was just but the government does not recognize it or such but another church charity is recognized. It could effect the donations of groups that do deserve help.

 

Also if this would go through, it's like the government recognizing some church beliefs in the process of government. If it recognizes a church group who does good for donating to the the poor and food but also refuses to have out condoms and teach safe sex in truly poor area's I think it fails. On another note if the government does refuse to recognize a group if they teach abstinence only then the part which donates to the poor suffers because of course their will be individuals who give their money elsewhere.

 

I'd prefer the government stay out of charity, I donate because I want to and I feel it's my part as a practicing roman catholic, not for a tax break.

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pretty good idea, because a socialist country is a version of a very inefficient charity.

 

however, people would top giving money all together. perhaps people should be allowed to take theire social security and other taxes that would go towards social programs to charity (administration and defense spending is exempt.)

 

this is rather simplistic.

 

there are moral peoblems. merely giving to charity to avoid taxes is not charitable...it is just choosing to be more efficient with your money.

 

eliminate big government and its taxes and economic growth will help the deserving (those willing to work.) that's all i care about.

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pretty good idea, because a socialist country is a version of a very inefficient charity.

 

however, people would top giving money all together. perhaps people should be allowed to take theire social security and other taxes that would go towards social programs to charity (administration and defense spending is exempt.)

 

this is rather simplistic.

 

there are moral peoblems. merely giving to charity to avoid taxes is not charitable...it is just choosing to be more efficient with your money.

 

eliminate big government and its taxes and economic growth will help the deserving (those willing to work.) that's all i care about.

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The truth of the matter is a plan like the one i mentioned would lessen the role of govt, and it doesnt really matter why you give money to charity as long as you do. As to rune's response, obviously the system would not be that simple as to where you can give money to your neighbor. There would have to be several things that need to be worked out, the idea is to keep government out of the process as much as possible, perhaps you can do this by excluding all faith based charities from the process. This is not a pefet system but is defintely better than what we have now.

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i see, you want a means to lessoning the role of government. that is fine.

 

however, it can get sketchy when you give to "charities" that really aren't charities. for example, you can give to the red cross and meanwhile have a paying position with them...perhaps the rich would merely use this as a tax shelter.

 

then you would need an IRS to regulate whether or not charitable contributions are being made and if so, are they being made correctly.

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i see, you want a means to lessoning the role of government. that is fine.

 

however, it can get sketchy when you give to "charities" that really aren't charities. for example, you can give to the red cross and meanwhile have a paying position with them...perhaps the rich would merely use this as a tax shelter.

 

then you would need an IRS to regulate whether or not charitable contributions are being made and if so, are they being made correctly.

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As of now thats way better than the current system and much more realistic than elimination of taxes

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First of all which social welfare programs are you referring to in your original post, that you'd like to do away with?

 

Notwithstanding, it's not a terrible idea in merit, but you would have people finding ways to donate to themselves, or worse.

 

& I agree with Rune, I can't see the taxpayer having total freedom about where to donate to.... Maybe an approved list of charities or something... (I realize though for you it's probably defeating the point if you're limited in what you can do with it...)

 

Hell I think there are Klan organizations that are registered as charitable/religious groups in some states. Not to mention some Muslim organizations that I'm guessing Mr. Tom Ridge would consider "less than desirable".

 

I don't think it's the answer.

 

I will add though that I think everyone, liberals included, will agree that there are TRUCKLOADS of wasteful spending out there. You could find it in all kinds of programs, whether it's tied up in welfare, farm subsidies, military spending, environmental protections, whatever.

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First of all which social welfare programs are you referring to in your original post, that you'd like to do away with?

 

Notwithstanding, it's not a terrible idea in merit, but you would have people finding ways to donate to themselves, or worse.

 

& I agree with Rune, I can't see the taxpayer having total freedom about where to donate to.... Maybe an approved list of charities or something... (I realize though for you it's probably defeating the point if you're limited in what you can do with it...)

 

Hell I think there are Klan organizations that are registered as charitable/religious groups in some states. Not to mention some Muslim organizations that I'm guessing Mr. Tom Ridge would consider "less than desirable".

 

I don't think it's the answer.

 

I will add though that I think everyone, liberals included, will agree that there are TRUCKLOADS of wasteful spending out there. You could find it in all kinds of programs, whether it's tied up in welfare, farm subsidies, military spending, environmental protections, whatever.

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For starters making a list of acceptable charities is not all bad, or perhaps yo ucan scale the list down to dollar for dollar deductible charities and different percentage charities. This will at least cut down wasteful tax spending, give more choice to the individual, and cut the bureaucracy, not as much as id like but at least somewhat. Obviously I'm jus tthrowing out ideas, but defintely ppl contributing to themselves and such would be a problem that would need to be solved in the earlygoing. I think its a start, and getting the money out of govt's hands will still making sure the people that need it get the money is a good idea.

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