August 28, 200421 yr Just hitting newswires: (CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran. At the heart of the investigation are two people who work at The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington. The FBI investigation, headed up by Dave Szady, has involved wiretaps, undercover surveillance and photography that CBS News was told document the passing of classified information from the mole, to the men at AIPAC, and on to the Israelis. CBS sources say that last year the suspected spy, described as a trusted analyst at the Pentagon, turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran while it was, "in the draft phase when U.S. policy-makers were still debating the policy." This put the Israelis, according to one source, "inside the decision-making loop" so they could "try to influence the outcome." The case raises another concern among investigators: Did Israel also use the analyst to try to influence U.S. policy on the war in Iraq? With ties to top Pentagon officials Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, the analyst was assigned to a unit within the Defense Department tasked with helping develop the Pentagon's Iraq policy. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has been made aware of the case. The government notified AIPAC today that it wants information about the two employees and their contacts with a person at the Pentagon. AIPAC told CBS News it is cooperating with the government and has hired outside counsel. It denies any wrongdoing by the organization or any of its employees. An Israeli spokesman said, "We categorically deny these allegations. They are completely false and outrageous." The suspected spy has not returned repeated phone calls from CBS News. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/...ain639143.shtml
August 28, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. horrible for us.
August 28, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. horrible for us. 529084[/snapback] Because without Israel there isn't democracy in the middle east. Because without Israel, the US doesn't get some of its military technologies and training for the middle east. We have spies everywhere. All countries have spies everywhere. Its a known fact and its all part of the game.
August 28, 200421 yr No, the main reason is because without Israel we don't have our most unwavering ally in the world.
August 28, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. horrible for us. 529084[/snapback] Everyone spies on everyone else - that's the way the world works. In any case, to a large degree this country owes its very existence to a number of key Jews who believed in the American Revolution and bet everything they had on its success. 529527[/snapback] did you just figure that out? we have spies throughout the world. and just because a number of Jews were key members of past American successes means that we should support Israel. You do realize this is one major reason for the supreme hatred of America in the Middle East especially. We almost always turn a blind eye to whatever the hell Israel does. I still say Jerusalem should not be controlled by any singular religious group.
August 28, 200421 yr Vatican City. It was Italian (roman) territory until given soverignity officially in 1929.
August 29, 200421 yr Because without Israel there isn't democracy in the middle east. 529090[/snapback] That's not true. Without Israel there wouldn't have been quite the chaos in the mideast for socialist and dictatorships to succeed. I love Israel, but it's ridiculous that the fanatics on both side keep this feud going. Can't we just all get along? Do we both need to own 100% of the land to be happy?
August 29, 200421 yr Because without Israel there isn't democracy in the middle east. 529090[/snapback] That's not true. Without Israel there wouldn't have been quite the chaos in the mideast for socialist and dictatorships to succeed. I love Israel, but it's ridiculous that the fanatics on both side keep this feud going. Can't we just all get along? Do we both need to own 100% of the land to be happy? 530894[/snapback] Actually its Israel who is willing to give up some of its land, meanwhilethe Palestinians have to have it all. Fact.
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side. They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them.
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side. They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them. 530934[/snapback] Right, the country with the strongest Air Force on the face of the planet is screwed if we "get mad at them." Beleive ot or not, Isreal doesnt Need our help man, they just accept it because they don't have a lot of allies. We're the ones that needs them, not vice versa.
August 29, 200421 yr Isreal has probably have the best Military overall in the world not to mention the best intelligence agency in the wrold.
August 29, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. horrible for us. 529084[/snapback] Don't blame Anti-U.S sentiment on the U.S-Isreal friendship.
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side.? They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them. 530934[/snapback] Right, the country with the strongest Air Force on the face of the planet is screwed if we "get mad at them." Beleive ot or not, Isreal doesnt Need our help man, they just accept it because they don't have a lot of allies. We're the ones that needs them, not vice versa. 531009[/snapback] Well said K.
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side.? They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them. 530934[/snapback] Right, the country with the strongest Air Force on the face of the planet is screwed if we "get mad at them." Beleive ot or not, Isreal doesnt Need our help man, they just accept it because they don't have a lot of allies. We're the ones that needs them, not vice versa. 531009[/snapback] Israel is surrounded by nations that hate them. Everyone on the planet outside the U.S. and Israel hates Israel. Israel is a tiny country, and if looses U.S. support, it has no allies at all. Even with a strong military, it can't do anything if all the neighboring country decide to attack Israel again.
August 29, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? 95% of the world is anti-semitic and blatantly wrong concerning the issue do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. you cannot do ANYTHING to make people happy when they are mad for no reason. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i'm sure we infiltrated the mossad. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. what i find ironic is that the world has no condemned the aimless murdering of the palestinians. and just because a number of Jews were key members of past American successes means that we should support Israel. You do realize this is one major reason for the supreme hatred of America in the Middle East especially. they hate israel for NO GOOD REASON. NAME ONE. We almost always turn a blind eye to whatever the hell Israel does. the entire world and us turn a blind eye and help justify the aimless murdering from people who are close to barbarians. I still say Jerusalem should not be controlled by any singular religious group. man i hate israel. god damn its 17 percent non-jewish population...that same population that has equal rights, voting, land, and membership in parliment. how dare a city be controlled democratically! I want bandit warlords running the show! i want enforced jewish free zones and "muslim only" areas! I want violent oppression of the palestinian economy! I want a paLESTINIAN STATE to bomb and attack innocent people behind sovereign borders. 95% of the world? okay, then 95% of the world is completely mad.
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side. They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them. 530934[/snapback] They've taken on their 4 neighboring countries on a few different occassions (plus soldiers from other regional countries) and regularly handed their ass to them. Their military is top of the line, their intelligence is second to none(in my opinion) and they maintain democracy in a region of the world where allowing their citizens to actually vote in a one candidate race is considered "Western"
August 29, 200421 yr I don't understand how people can be so against the war in Iraq, but support the actions of the Israeli military.
August 29, 200421 yr I don't understand how people can be so against the war in Iraq, but support the actions of the Israeli military. 531198[/snapback] iraq never hurt us...people kill israelis...a rather glaring difference
August 29, 200421 yr Israel wouldn't exists without the U.S. on its side.? They're screwed if they get the U.S. mad at them. 530934[/snapback] Right, the country with the strongest Air Force on the face of the planet is screwed if we "get mad at them." Beleive ot or not, Isreal doesnt Need our help man, they just accept it because they don't have a lot of allies. We're the ones that needs them, not vice versa. 531009[/snapback] Israel is surrounded by nations that hate them. Everyone on the planet outside the U.S. and Israel hates Israel. Israel is a tiny country, and if looses U.S. support, it has no allies at all. Even with a strong military, it can't do anything if all the neighboring country decide to attack Israel again. 531085[/snapback] See War for Independance 1948, Yom Kippur War, 6-Day War, 1956....
August 29, 200421 yr why do we still support Israel when 95% of the world doesnt? 95% of the world is anti-semitic and blatantly wrong concerning the issue do we not realize this is a major reason for the anti-American sentiment. you cannot do ANYTHING to make people happy when they are mad for no reason. and even in spite of our support we get infilitraed. i'm sure we infiltrated the mossad. i find it somewhat comical and ironic. what i find ironic is that the world has no condemned the aimless murdering of the palestinians. and just because a number of Jews were key members of past American successes means that we should support Israel.? You do realize this is one major reason for the? supreme hatred of America in the Middle East especially. they hate israel for NO GOOD REASON. NAME ONE. We almost always turn a blind eye to whatever the hell Israel does.? the entire world and us turn a blind eye and help justify the aimless murdering from people who are close to barbarians. I still say Jerusalem should not be controlled by any singular religious group. man i hate israel. god damn its 17 percent non-jewish population...that same population that has equal rights, voting, land, and membership in parliment. how dare a city be controlled democratically! I want bandit warlords running the show! i want enforced jewish free zones and "muslim only" areas! I want violent oppression of the palestinian economy! I want a paLESTINIAN STATE to bomb and attack innocent people behind sovereign borders. 95% of the world? okay, then 95% of the world is completely mad. 531086[/snapback] I don't understand how people can be so against the war in Iraq, but support the actions of the Israeli military. 531198[/snapback] iraq never hurt us...people kill israelis...a rather glaring difference 531222[/snapback] Damn straight Soriano.
August 29, 200421 yr Actually its Israel who is willing to give up some of its land, meanwhilethe Palestinians have to have it all. Fact. 530915[/snapback] We don't need your spin. There has support at the ground level on both sides for peace. It's the idiots in Kiryat Arba, Gaza, West Bank and their supporters around the world who are fighting against a fair resolution.
August 29, 200421 yr Actually its Israel who is willing to give up some of its land, meanwhilethe Palestinians have to have it all. Fact. 530915[/snapback] We don't need your spin. There has support at the ground level on both sides for peace. It's the idiots in Kiryat Arba, Gaza, West Bank and their supporters around the world who are fighting against a fair resolution. 531243[/snapback] Dood, your a fool to believe its my spin. See Yitzhak Rabin. I know there are supporters on both sides thats a fact. But until the Palestinian Gov't agrees to it, they will still be warring.
August 29, 200421 yr I don't understand how people can be so against the war in Iraq, but support the actions of the Israeli military. 531198[/snapback] iraq never hurt us...people kill israelis...a rather glaring difference 531222[/snapback] Nothing allows the Israeli government to have tanks roll over little children, or have a gunship fire a school, or bomb an elderly man. They also tear down hundreds of houses of innocent people.
August 29, 200421 yr I don't understand how people can be so against the war in Iraq, but support the actions of the Israeli military. 531198[/snapback] iraq never hurt us...people kill israelis...a rather glaring difference 531222[/snapback] Nothing allows the Israeli government to have tanks roll over little children, or have a gunship fire a school, or bomb an elderly man. They also tear down hundreds of houses of innocent people. 531315[/snapback] those houses hold tunnels and bomb factories...this is 100% true, the blow up tunnels all the time. israeli tanks roll over VERY FEW PEOPLE, and those hurt ARE TOO STUPID too leave when there is an advanced warning of bulldozers destroying a bomb factory or other military hold outs. palestinians are ruthless. they will hide men and soldiers in schools, they will put civilians around their homes to evade assasination. people will get caught in the crossfire when this happens. this says it all for petes sake, the palestinian hid bombs IN baby carriages. do not compare the two. the palestinian fight might be one of the most evil ones today.
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