I have been assuming that it didn't matter who got elected, we would have a draft. How much longer can you keep the Natl Guard over there?

 

There is no doubt in my mind that there will be a draft under Bush simply because Iraq is not the end of the line. There's Iran and Syria yet to come in my opinion. The neocons have been building the rhetoric up in a predicable way and there has been no sign from Bush that he's going to rethink the Bush doctrine.

 

If Kerry really means that there will be no draft that means pulling out the troops next spring (my guess). I guess one could argue that the Iraqi elections scheduled for Jan will be the tipping point. If the elections are held and they are done in a reasonably fair manner, then the insurgency could calm down enabling us to turn things over to the Iraqis. If the elections don't happen or are perceived to be grossly unfair then most analysts have predicted that it will get really bad, in which case we would probably have to get out anyway.

 

There is going to have to be some progress on the ground pretty soon if the elections are to go forward.

 

So, to sum:

 

Fact: The United States is now embroiled in a global war with a large-scale philosopical movement.

 

Speculation: This could escalate into a war with prominent nation-states with strong militaries, including North Korea, Iran, and Syria.

 

Fact: The United States military is not large enough to support this sort of large-scale war.

 

Conclusion: A draft may be necessary to fight this war.

 

 

 

 

All comments welcome. If I'm off-base tell me. If you think this plausible tell me. I want opinions.

I just can't see a draft. Even under Bush, I would be extremely shocked if it happened.

 

You think the Vietnam Conflict had a lot of people evading the draft? Just wait....

Not gonna happen. This is what pro-gun people say they want the second amendment kept around for. People would be pissed about a draft. I know my black ass wouldn't want to go to some Middle Eastern dump.

Interesting syllogism, here is where I find fault though.

 

Draft has to come from Congress. Congress has to fight for their jobs every two years. People don't want a draft. See where I'm going?

 

A draft would be the equivalent of a glorious last stand for every congressmen that signs it (if it even passes), they will be shot out of office, replaced by alot of newcomers and Washington could become a big mess, with other consequences later.

 

They honestly know better, IMO.

There's certainly a lot of reason in Shamrock's argument... but unless the United States literally is invaded by a legitimate military force from an actual country, I don't see the draft being enacted.

 

Can you just imagine the uproar though? Hopefully, that will never be an issue.

I have no qualms with being drafted as long as I agree with the underlying cause. If you agree with the underlying cause but dont want to fight a war or be drafted for it, then what? How many in this country feel that way?

I pose the hypo then. There is a draft tommorow. Who is pissed?

I'd have mixed feelings. Odds of dying are slim, plus, you get a pretty solid body and free food and living. And pay on top of that.

I know my black ass wouldn't want to go to some Middle Eastern dump.

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quote of the day.

I pose the hypo then. There is a draft tommorow. Who is pissed?

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I have dual citizenship with Israel and I've been evading their draft for some time now so I'd be dually screwed. I think maybe third time's the charm with Canada....

i don't see iran or syria on the list, because in a war frenzy, bush could have attacked Syria for giving safe haven and weapons to iraq during the war. Furthermore, we have really stepped off our vocal fight against iran. lastly, i don't think the american people will allow two more "mistakes" in intelligence.

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i am.

 

 

its stupid and a war that never should of been fought in the first place.

i don't think the american people will allow two more "mistakes" in intelligence.

 

 

After the last four years, Ive lost my trust of what teh American people can be convinced of.

There's certainly a lot of reason in Shamrock's argument... but unless the United States literally is invaded by a legitimate military force from an actual country, I don't see the draft being enacted.

 

Can you just imagine the uproar though? Hopefully, that will never be an issue.

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remind me when the Vietamense invaded us.

i don't think the american people will allow two more "mistakes" in intelligence.

 

 

After the last four years, Ive lost my trust of what teh American people can be convinced of.

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the American people by and large is simply stupid.

I don't see a draft happening

still, TWICE MORE? I mean, everyone but myself and a few others are the only non-stupid americans in existence, BUT for bush to concoct more phoney evidence, it would be impossible to do at that scale for a while.

I don't see a draft happening

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i see myself entering a phd program...

I don't see a draft happening

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i see myself entering a phd program...

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i see myself marrying a supermodel.

for what, the manzere or the puffy shirt?

i don't think the american people will allow two more "mistakes" in intelligence.

 

 

After the last four years, Ive lost my trust of what teh American people can be convinced of.

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Me too. I can't imagine there being a draft, since it needs to go through Congress, and only 3-4 members of the Senate and House combined are currently supportive of a draft.

I don't see a draft happening

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i see myself entering a phd program...

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I see a lot of 18- and 19- year old "war mothers".

 

Oh, and higher education won't exempt you from the draft, according to the bill I read.

those bastrards, I will study overseas in Africa then...

There's certainly a lot of reason in Shamrock's argument... but unless the United States literally is invaded by a legitimate military force from an actual country, I don't see the draft being enacted.

 

Can you just imagine the uproar though?? Hopefully, that will never be an issue.

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remind me when the Vietamense invaded us.

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The draft then was abused when the Vietnamese did nothing, we scarpped it. Invasion would be the only way it comes back.

 

Don't pick a fight where there is none.

Think of it this way.

 

What do we really need a draft for? Where will the military put all the new people that would be drafted? The way wars are fought now, like tonyi pointed out, don't require a high amount of manpower, instead on skills and strategy. They have the best of the best already, what do they need bodies for?

 

Plus, forget the American people. Congress will not stand for another conflict while we have two open ones, sorry. Doesn't matter if there are 535 war hawks in there either, they know better.