September 16, 200422 yr There is no way to stop outsourcing, it is the price of a global economy. And it hurst and benefits the US at the same time.
September 16, 200422 yr one thing i don't get about outsourcing is the morality. are americans more human than indians? is it wrong that some indians get jobs so they can eat and we in turn get cheaper products and our money is worth more? everyone wins.
September 16, 200422 yr Author Dont let details get in the way of politcs sorianofan. 560934[/snapback] :lol SorianoFan is right, you may want to use that quote to describe Kerry's attitude towards Bush.
September 16, 200422 yr this 2 guys are both for big government and lot's of spending. but u know who's fault is that. is the people's fault, for relegating what should be their responsability to higher authorities. that's why i, like my boy sorianofan, am for Badnarik - Campagna
September 16, 200422 yr the president's effect on the economy is minimal unless he outright screws it up, ala FD roosevlet. 560908[/snapback] :lol You're kidding, right?
September 16, 200422 yr one thing i don't get about outsourcing is the morality. are americans more human than indians? is it wrong that some indians get jobs so they can eat and we in turn get cheaper products and our money is worth more? everyone wins. 560939[/snapback] If they take enough of our jobs, how are people going to pay for their products when they don't have jobs to pay the bills with? I don't know about you, but I don't want our lifestyle to achieve some sort of market equilibrium with the 3rd world lifestyle.
September 16, 200422 yr Dont let details get in the way of politcs sorianofan. 560934[/snapback] :lol SorianoFan is right, you may want to use that quote to describe Kerry's attitude towards Bush. 560940[/snapback] Who started this thread?
September 16, 200422 yr the president's effect on the economy is minimal unless he outright screws it up, ala FD roosevlet.? 560908[/snapback] :lol You're kidding, right? 560944[/snapback] no, we have 12 topics for this, if you want more info about what i said, PM me! let's not derail this issue! this 2 guys are both for big government and lot's of spending. but u know who's fault is that. is the people's fault, for relegating what should be their responsability to higher authorities. that's why i, like my boy sorianofan, am for Badnarik - Campagna alright! we're spreading. The other day I was told libertarianism is too idealistic and that the history of society dictates more organization. However, since when was organization only from the state? Societies were held together for years by religious charity and social responsibility. ORganization is fine, but not at the expense of freedom. Our freedom to spend our money how we choose and the freedom to be moral to the extent we find necessary personally. Kerry and Bush are both big government guys. Our economy's increase in technology and our benefits from cheap goods from foreign countries keeps us prosperous. however, do not believe for one second kerry or bush's big government has ANYTHING to do with helping the economy. The alrger the government, the more the economy is hurt: end of story.
September 16, 200422 yr the president's effect on the economy is minimal unless he outright screws it up, ala FD roosevlet.? 560908[/snapback] :lol You're kidding, right? 560944[/snapback] no, we have 12 topics for this, if you want more info about what i said, PM me! let's not derail this issue! Send me some links via PM (specifically about FDR - I understand that a president's real impact on the economy is minimal). I could use a good laugh.
September 16, 200422 yr one thing i don't get about outsourcing is the morality.? are americans more human than indians?? is it wrong that some indians get jobs so they can eat and we in turn get cheaper products and our money is worth more?? everyone wins. 560939[/snapback] If they take enough of our jobs, how are people going to pay for their products when they don't have jobs to pay the bills with? I don't know about you, but I don't want our lifestyle to achieve some sort of market equilibrium with the 3rd world lifestyle. 560946[/snapback] however, the issue is not quite so simple. just a while ago we saw something on this forum about how the demand for the dollar will fall and the euro will rise. this combined with the factor that in time IF America cannot afford these things, industry should naturally find its way back to America. Things will hit an equilibrium...but that does not mean there is literally a leaching of wealth. Look at the average american's income and average employment since the outsourcing boom occurred. We are in more debt, our dollar buys ever more things at Wal Mart, and our employment is relatively stable. I see no signs of economic ruin via trade.
September 16, 200422 yr i think the problem sori, is that people have delegated too much to the upper echelons of government. i mean we have state and federal government telling kids what school they should go to. how can someone who's probably never even visited the area distribute that? more issues need to be dealt with at the local level, issues that affect people's daily life so they get involved in politics and that way decentralized the government.
September 16, 200422 yr Kerry and Bush are both big government guys. Our economy's increase in technology and our benefits from cheap goods from foreign countries keeps us prosperous. however, do not believe for one second kerry or bush's big government has ANYTHING to do with helping the economy. The alrger the government, the more the economy is hurt: end of story. 560948[/snapback] There's a flaw in that oft-repeated argument. This isn't 50 years ago. The technology innovation cycle is becoming far more rapid, which means that any benefit we get from new technological innovation won't last very long. For that argument to work, new innovations would have to take decades to go from the 1st world production to 3rd world production, but we're living in an era now where we're measuring in years - not decades.
September 16, 200422 yr Author I think another thing that people can do to reduce their chances of becoming unemployed is continuing their education. Many get this as a benefit and should take advantage.
September 16, 200422 yr however, how does restricting trade help our technology? it is proven the tariffs only give incentive NOT to technologically advance (because what's the point when you are protected by competition?). if our people are not smart enough to keep up, then so be it, we will fall. that's why we should be supporting competitive industry and not limiting them via the taxation necessary for a government of excessive size. that's why it is a sound INVESTMENT to increase project head start and undergraduate education.
September 16, 200422 yr I dont think Kerry would reduce free trade. He has only said he would do what he could to encourage American companies to keep jobs here. Sounds more like he proposed reducing the cost of hiring an American so that companies dont hire from elsewhere. But he doesnt want to restrict free trade. In fact that was an issue that almost derailed him from the primaries as more leftist candidates attacked free trade, he said he still supported it.
September 16, 200422 yr how does he plan to make American labor cheaper while supporting unions and government regulations?
September 16, 200422 yr how does he plan to make American labor cheaper while supporting unions and government regulations? 561005[/snapback] it's just rhetoric.
September 16, 200422 yr how does he plan to make American labor cheaper while supporting unions and government regulations? 561005[/snapback] it's just rhetoric. 561015[/snapback] it would have to be
September 16, 200422 yr every major manufactury has one...public works projects usually have unionized labor. Teachers, garbage men...there's a lot of unions...
September 16, 200422 yr The problem, from your perspective, has less to do with unions and government regulation and more to do with what the average person expects in terms of the American dream and standard of living. India has a worse problem with labor unions, as seen by the election of Sonia Ghandi. And do you know how Indian politicians work? Promise after promise. People there just have a lower standard of living.
September 16, 200422 yr you say there is a problem, but you cannot grip it. technology in america is better, but the cost of employing it is inhibitive. thus outsourcing occurs, the end. our standard of living is thanks to those others willing to work for less.
September 16, 200422 yr the president's effect on the economy is minimal unless he outright screws it up, ala FD roosevlet.? otherwise, we are looking at the shambles of a fake dot com economy and bad accounting from the 90s. jesus people, it's so obvious. 560908[/snapback] I disagree. The president policies affect the Economy.Ask any economist!
September 16, 200422 yr yes, but is Bush's tax cuts attributed to what is happening now? No. Do they control world economic conditions? No. The president, by passing laws, has a minimal amount of economic power UNLESS they drastically change economic policies (better or worse.) However, would you say Bush or Clinton or responsible for right now? And if so, back that up...you will have a hard time doing that.
September 16, 200422 yr the president's effect on the economy is minimal unless he outright screws it up, ala FD roosevlet.? otherwise, we are looking at the shambles of a fake dot com economy and bad accounting from the 90s. jesus people, it's so obvious. 560908[/snapback] I disagree. The president policies affect the Economy.Ask any economist! 561088[/snapback] I'll tell you who has the ability to affect the US and World economy 10 times more than the president. ---------> Allan Greenspan (and he is not even elected by the public)
September 18, 200422 yr Trust me, if you've ever studied economics, you would see that Congress and the Federal Reserve Board have 20 times as much effect on the economy as the President. Congress creates and approves the budgets of each organization within the government, and the Federal Reserve Board manages interest rates. That's the reason why the news pays close attention when Greenspan announces that the Fed is planning to either lower or raise interest rates, because it can have a significant effect on the economy. The idea of job-outsourcing has come about due to our advances in standard of living as a result of technology. It's more economically productive for companies to build plants in other countries, as they can save on material and labor costs, not to mention construction. Our nation has been growing further away from having major need for American laborers, because it has become cheaper to let other countries do the work for us. That's the reason most clothing you buy comes from Southeast Asia, because it's way cheaper for companies to produce clothing overseas than in America, where they have to deal with labor unions. Other than in pro-sports, labor unions as a whole have become much weaker than they were 50 years ago.
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