October 4, 200422 yr Jorge Julio or Jason Grimsley for Enc and one of our good pitching prospects. I know they want more pitching prospects, so we could take a good bullpen arm to offset the likely loss of Armando and get rid of Enc's contract in order for them to get a good pitching prospect for the future. Surhoff (sp?) is old and they could use another OFer. If they were interested, we could use the money we save from Enc/Armando to possibly sign Paul Wilson or Matt Clement (assuming Pavano is gone) and perhaps have enough to resign Lo Duca and make a run for one of JD Drew/Magglio.
October 4, 200422 yr Jorge Julio or Jason Grimsley for Enc and one of our good pitching prospects. I know they want more pitching prospects, so we could take a good bullpen arm to offset the likely loss of Armando and get rid of Enc's contract in order for them to get a good pitching prospect for the future. Surhoff (sp?) is old and they could use another OFer. If they were interested, we could use the money we save from Enc/Armando to possibly sign Paul Wilson or Matt Clement (assuming Pavano is gone) and perhaps have enough to resign Lo Duca and make a run for one of JD Drew/Magglio. 581082[/snapback] I don't think any team would want to take Enc and his contract, I think we are stuck with it.
October 4, 200422 yr Author Jorge Julio or Jason Grimsley for Enc and one of our good pitching prospects.? I know they want more pitching prospects, so we could take a good bullpen arm to offset the likely loss of Armando and get rid of Enc's contract in order for them to get a good pitching prospect for the future.? Surhoff (sp?) is old and they could use another OFer.? If they were interested, we could use the money we save from Enc/Armando to possibly sign Paul Wilson or Matt Clement (assuming Pavano is gone) and perhaps have enough to resign Lo Duca and make a run for one of JD Drew/Magglio. 581082[/snapback] I don't think any team would want to take Enc and his contract, I think we are stuck with it. 581086[/snapback] If you match it up with a good pitching prospect, some teams with bad minor league talent and excess money may take Enc off our hands. They'll basically have to pay for the prospect.
October 4, 200422 yr They would have to pay and give Julio. I don't think they will be parting with Julio anytime soon, after all they haven't yet and teams have probably made better offers than Enc, his contract, and whatever pitching prospect we are willing to part with.
October 4, 200422 yr O's are looking for pitchers, but they want Major League ready pitchers and a prospect jus doesnt cut it
October 4, 200422 yr The only way I think we'll get rid of Enc is if we trade Lo Duca, or Mota, and make the team we trade them too take Enc.
October 4, 200422 yr If there's any team that would make that deal, it's the Orioles. But they don't need outfielders (ideally they want a 3B so they can move Mora back) and have many pitching prospects.
October 4, 200422 yr Author If there's any team that would make that deal, it's the Orioles. But they don't need outfielders (ideally they want a 3B so they can move Mora back) and have many pitching prospects. 581242[/snapback] I could have swore that I read the O's didn't have many pitching prospects. Does anyone know which teams need pitching prospects (since that is our minor league strength) and have the money to take on Enc's contract? Obviously the Yanks would fit this but they already have Lofton/Williams as dead weight OFers.
October 4, 200422 yr The O's have 7-8 pitching prospects in the majors/AAA/AA. It's just that they keep on getting injured. Yankees, Arizona, St. Louis and of course the Mets ( :lol ) lack pitching in their systems.
October 4, 200422 yr The O's have 7-8 pitching prospects in the majors/AAA/AA. It's just that they keep on getting injured. Yankees, Arizona, St. Louis and of course the Mets ( :lol ) lack pitching in their systems. 581375[/snapback] The Mets might take Enc just because of their defense futility, they did that with Cameron. But they don't have much to give back.
October 4, 200422 yr Author I thought of the Mets. I wondered if they'd be willing to deal Glavine/money for Enc/pitching prospect. Glavine has one more year at a little over 9 million and some type of mutual option. I believe Enc's contract is 4 mil. Perhaps they throw in 2 mil, which leaves us bascially paying 3 mil for Glavine (considering how much we payed Enc/Pavano this year). The Mets would only have to deal with Enc's contract for a year. If they plan on rebuilding next year, perhaps they'd do it. :mischief2 AJ Beckett Glavine Willis Valdez (maybe) That would make up for losing Pavano if some of our prospects would be ready to replace Glavine in a year or two. Perhaps Glavine could teach Willis another pitch and teach Beckett/AJ a thing or two about the mental preparation of pitching beyond just their stuff. 3 million or so for Glavine. Let Armando and Pavano walk. Use our money to resign Lo Duca and maybe go after Magglio or JD. It won't happen, but (in my best Dazed and Confused stoner voice) it sure would be good. (yeah, not the exact quote, but I had to change it to make it fit!) I have too much time on my hands tonight.
October 4, 200422 yr I thought of the Mets. I wondered if they'd be willing to deal Glavine/money for Enc/pitching prospect. Glavine has one more year at a little over 9 million and some type of mutual option. I believe Enc's contract is 4 mil. Perhaps they throw in 2 mil, which leaves us bascially paying 3 mil for Glavine (considering how much we payed Enc/Pavano this year). The Mets would only have to deal with Enc's contract for a year. If they plan on rebuilding next year, perhaps they'd do it. :mischief2 AJ Beckett Glavine Willis Valdez (maybe) That would make up for losing Pavano if some of our prospects would be ready to replace Glavine in a year or two. Perhaps Glavine could teach Willis another pitch and teach Beckett/AJ a thing or two about the mental preparation of pitching beyond just their stuff. 3 million or so for Glavine. Let Armando and Pavano walk. Use our money to resign Lo Duca and maybe go after Magglio or JD. It won't happen, but (in my best Dazed and Confused stoner voice) it sure would be good. (yeah, not the exact quote, but I had to change it to make it fit!) I have too much time on my hands tonight. 581408[/snapback] I thought the potential line up I came up with in that thread about it is pretty realistic.
October 4, 200422 yr Author I thought of the Mets.? I wondered if they'd be willing to deal Glavine/money for Enc/pitching prospect.? Glavine has one more year at a little over 9 million and some type of mutual option.? I believe Enc's contract is 4 mil.? Perhaps they throw in 2 mil, which leaves us bascially paying 3 mil for Glavine (considering how much we payed Enc/Pavano this year).? The Mets would only have to deal with Enc's contract for a year.? If they plan on rebuilding next year, perhaps they'd do it. :mischief2 AJ Beckett Glavine Willis Valdez (maybe) That would make up for losing Pavano if some of our prospects would be ready to replace Glavine in a year or two.? Perhaps Glavine could teach Willis another pitch and teach Beckett/AJ a thing or two about the mental preparation of pitching beyond just their stuff. 3 million or so for Glavine.? Let Armando and Pavano walk.? Use our money to resign Lo Duca and maybe go after Magglio or JD.? It won't happen, but (in my best Dazed and Confused stoner voice) it sure would be good.? (yeah, not the exact quote, but I had to change it to make it fit!) I have too much time on my hands tonight.? 581408[/snapback] I thought the potential line up I came up with in that thread about it is pretty realistic. 581420[/snapback] Which thread? I'm too lazy to go looking through threads for it.
October 4, 200422 yr this is what I said: Starting Lineup: Carlos Beltran - CF Luis Castillo - 2B Chris Aguila - RF Juan Pierre - LF Miguel Cabrera - 3B Mike Redmond/Lo Duca - C Paul Lo duca / Travis Lee- 1B Alex Gonzalez - SS Starting Rotation: Logan Kensing AJ Burnett Josh Beckett Dontrelle Willis Derreck Lowe (or some low cost starter) Bullpen: Fox (if healthy) Mando Mota Spooney Perisho some straggler
October 4, 200422 yr Author this is what I said: Starting Lineup: Carlos Beltran - CF Luis Castillo - 2B Chris Aguila - RF Juan Pierre - LF Miguel Cabrera - 3B Mike Redmond/Lo Duca - C Paul Lo duca / Travis Lee- 1B Alex Gonzalez - SS Starting Rotation: Logan Kensing AJ Burnett Josh Beckett Dontrelle Willis Derreck Lowe (or some low cost starter) Bullpen: Fox (if healthy) Mando Mota Spooney Perisho some straggler 581453[/snapback] I don't think we can afford it. I'd rather keep Lowell and try to sign Magglio or Drew. Beltran will be after at least $14 million a year and I think the Yankees and Red Sox will pay him in that range. Also, I don't want Lo Duca to have to play too many games at 1B. He's like 5'8 or so. I don't know why you want to ship out Conine. He's decent at first and a pretty good hitter for his salary.
October 4, 200422 yr remember, the O's gave up Denny Bautista for Grimsley so they are either really dumb or really covet Grimsley :plain
October 4, 200422 yr Author remember, the O's gave up Denny Bautista for Grimsley so they are either really dumb or really covet Grimsley :plain 581543[/snapback] Ah, I forgot about that idiotic trade, Ramp. Hopefully we can rape the Mets for Glavine or Leiter and get rid of Enc. :thumbup
October 4, 200422 yr remember, the O's gave up Denny Bautista for Grimsley so they are either really dumb or really covet Grimsley :plain 581543[/snapback] Ah, I forgot about that idiotic trade, Ramp. Hopefully we can rape the Mets for Glavine or Leiter and get rid of Enc. :thumbup 581566[/snapback] unfortunately, they dont need an OFer
October 4, 200422 yr Author remember, the O's gave up Denny Bautista for Grimsley so they are either really dumb or really covet Grimsley :plain 581543[/snapback] Ah, I forgot about that idiotic trade, Ramp. Hopefully we can rape the Mets for Glavine or Leiter and get rid of Enc. :thumbup 581566[/snapback] unfortunately, they dont need an OFer 581568[/snapback] Isn't Hildago a FA? Maybe he'll sign elsewhere and open up a need. God, I really don't want Enc next year. If we end up keeping him but losing one of Mota/Lo Duca, that trade will go down as the dumbest F'N trade we've ever had that wasn't a pure salary cap trade.
October 4, 200422 yr I don't think any team would want to take Enc and his contract 581086[/snapback] We did.... :plain.
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