October 26, 200421 yr Kerry wants to follow in Reagan's footsteps, looks like Ronald wasn't too fond of Mr. Kerry... http://www.thestakesarehigh.org/media/tsah2.mov
October 26, 200421 yr How can he follow in Reagon's footsteps when he said: "we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now" -John Kerry
October 26, 200421 yr reagan came from a libertarian background, a big follower of goldwater. no way kerry could follow his footsteps.
October 26, 200421 yr You know accord, if you want more respect, you wouldnt post partisan ads/propaganda as some evidence of anything. Do you see anyone posting stuff from moveon.org? Youre the only one who scurries around for RNC videos and posts them here. Listen, we know you buy this stuff for lunch but give us more credit. You know, if people wanted to see ads and not have discussions, they would go to those websites. Now as far as the idiocy of the ad itself, apparently some of you hear what you want to hear. Because Kerry said he wanted to rebuild alliances the way FDR and Reagan did. How does that mean he wants to follow in Reagan's footsteps? Lets follow this idiotic logic to another example. Bush this week pointed to past dems like FDR and Kennedy as examples of leadership. By this warped logic, can I put an ad from moveon.org that shows that clip and then says Bush hasnt created an New Deal type programs and has favored teh wealthy? Dont worry. I wont because I know its a partisan ad meant directly as propaganda. Or if accord and chewbacca want, instead of posting these ads that dont actually present a claim, respond to my post which dismisses the attacks on Kerry's military spending? You know, the one from bipartisan, Cheney cited, factcheck.org which does a step by step dismissal of these erroneous claims? You could try that instead of letting tonyi always do the work for you while posting stuff from RNC.
October 26, 200421 yr Author You know accord, if you want more respect, you wouldnt post partisan ads/propaganda as some evidence of anything. Do you see anyone posting stuff from moveon.org? Youre the only one who scurries around for RNC videos and posts them here. Listen, we know you buy this stuff for lunch but give us more credit. You know, if people wanted to see ads and not have discussions, they would go to those websites. 601375[/snapback] Funny, this is the ad i've ever posted on these boards.
October 26, 200421 yr How can he follow in Reagon's footsteps when he said: "we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now" -John Kerry 601310[/snapback] uh, actually, that's a pretty accurate quote. Plus, there is no need to fight communism....in this ever-globalizing world, the communist countries will be forced into a globalized free-market capitalist economy....look at China....look how non-communist they actually are. I mean, they actually have local free elections (that have non-socialist candidates). Doesn't sound to socialist to me.
October 26, 200421 yr How can he follow in Reagon's footsteps when he said: "we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now" -John Kerry 601310[/snapback] uh, actually, that's a pretty accurate quote. Plus, there is no need to fight communism....in this ever-globalizing world, the communist countries will be forced into a globalized free-market capitalist economy....look at China....look how non-communist they actually are. I mean, they actually have local free elections (that have non-socialist candidates). Doesn't sound to socialist to me. 601560[/snapback] Thank you Furman. Its nice to have a conservative who knows his stuff, and can have an intelligient conversation with.
October 26, 200421 yr How can he follow in Reagon's footsteps when he said: "we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now" -John Kerry 601310[/snapback] uh, actually, that's a pretty accurate quote. Plus, there is no need to fight communism....in this ever-globalizing world, the communist countries will be forced into a globalized free-market capitalist economy....look at China....look how non-communist they actually are. I mean, they actually have local free elections (that have non-socialist candidates). Doesn't sound to socialist to me. 601560[/snapback] Kerry made that statement in 1971. :plain The people that won the Cold War were those who realized that communism could be fought.
October 26, 200421 yr How can he follow in Reagon's footsteps when he said: "we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now" -John Kerry 601310[/snapback] uh, actually, that's a pretty accurate quote. Plus, there is no need to fight communism....in this ever-globalizing world, the communist countries will be forced into a globalized free-market capitalist economy....look at China....look how non-communist they actually are. I mean, they actually have local free elections (that have non-socialist candidates). Doesn't sound to socialist to me. 601560[/snapback] Kerry made that statement in 1971. :plain The people that won the Cold War were those who realized that communism could be fought. 601567[/snapback] It was true back then and it was true now. And can you provide a source?
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror.
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source?
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief 601593[/snapback] I need a source to your Kerry quote. :mischief
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief 601593[/snapback] I need a source to your Kerry quote. :mischief 601599[/snapback] 1971 testimony
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief 601593[/snapback] I need a source to your Kerry quote. :mischief 601599[/snapback] 1971 testimony 601601[/snapback] I didn't find you quote anywhere.
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief 601593[/snapback] I need a source to your Kerry quote. :mischief 601599[/snapback] 1971 testimony 601601[/snapback] I didn't find you quote anywhere. 601606[/snapback] So the quote is a fake because YOU couldn't find it in the speech. :mischief
October 26, 200421 yr It was true back then and it was true now. So "we cannot fight communism" would have won the Cold War? :blink: Reagon didn't view communism as a threat to be contained, he though of it as something to be elimated. Bush has showed the same committment in the war on terror. 601576[/snapback] Nice wheres my source? 601590[/snapback] Source on what? Showing Ronald Reagon wanted to combat terrorism worldwide? You need a source for that? :mischief 601593[/snapback] I need a source to your Kerry quote. :mischief 601599[/snapback] 1971 testimony 601601[/snapback] I didn't find you quote anywhere. 601606[/snapback] So the quote is a fake because YOU couldn't find it in the speech. :mischief 601609[/snapback] Give me the damn source already. Or is that too hard.
October 26, 200421 yr I just read through it twice, not once was it there. The closest thing to it was this: At any time that an actual threat is posed to this country or to the security and freedom I will be one of the first people to pick up a gun and defend it, but right now we are reacting with paranoia t this question of peace and the people taking over the world. I think if were are ever going to get down to the question of dropping those bombs most of us in my generation simply don't want to be alive afterwards because of the kind of world that it would be with mutations and the genetic probabilities of freaks and everything else.
October 26, 200421 yr It's at the very end of VIETNAMIZATION :whistle 601614[/snapback] Heres your quote. Post it in full next time. But the point is they are not a free people now under us. They are not a free people, and we cannot fight communism all over the world, and I think we should have learned that lesson by now....
October 26, 200421 yr chewbacca dont you think youd be a little frustrated if you just came back from a terrible war that cost the lives of countless American soldiers...one in which the communists ended up winning anyway? Think about what Kerry said for a second there. We didnt win, yet losing Vietnam to communism didnt cost us in the war on communism did it? No it sure didnt. It just cost us countless young men. I mean think about it! He was right! We didnt need to fight in Vietnam! It was a mistake! We lost and we still won over communism! Its simple chewbacca. He makes too much sense for you. You need bumber sticker quotes to sustain politcal viewpoint.
October 26, 200421 yr chewbacca dont you think youd be a little frustrated if you just came back from a terrible war that cost the lives of countless American soldiers...one in which the communists ended up winning anyway? Think about what Kerry said for a second there. We didnt win, yet losing Vietnam to communism didnt cost us in the war on communism did it? No it sure didnt. It just cost us countless young men. I mean think about it! He was right! We didnt need to fight in Vietnam! It was a mistake! We lost and we still won over communism! Its simple chewbacca. He makes too much sense for you. You need bumber sticker quotes to sustain politcal viewpoint. 601637[/snapback] He's saying we can't stop communism, which is simply a pessimistic statement to use. My question is, if he didn't think communism could be stopped, does he think terrorism can be stopped? He says he wants terrorism to go back to where it was just a nuisance. When was it ever just a nuisance, when 200 marines died in a mililtary barracks bombing?
October 27, 200421 yr chewbacca dont you think youd be a little frustrated if you just came back from a terrible war that cost the lives of countless American soldiers...one in which the communists ended up winning anyway? Think about what Kerry said for a second there. We didnt win, yet losing Vietnam to communism didnt cost us in the war on communism did it? No it sure didnt. It just cost us countless young men. I mean think about it! He was right! We didnt need to fight in Vietnam! It was a mistake! We lost and we still won over communism! Its simple chewbacca. He makes too much sense for you. You need bumber sticker quotes to sustain politcal viewpoint. 601637[/snapback] He's saying we can't stop communism, which is simply a pessimistic statement to use. My question is, if he didn't think communism could be stopped, does he think terrorism can be stopped? He says he wants terrorism to go back to where it was just a nuisance. When was it ever just a nuisance, when 200 marines died in a mililtary barracks bombing? 601656[/snapback] Reading comp is very important here. He was talking about his frustrations with the Vietnam war. He said we cant fight communism everywhere. That doesnt not equal we cantt fight communism at all. Thats the step of logic youre missing. Here ill present it to you in hyperbole. Remember, its hyperbole. 1 terrorist moves to Antarctica. We invade the entire continent looking for him and lose thousands of troops. I say, we dont need to fight terrorism everywhere. ie we can go about doing it a better way..maybe invade Afghanistan. See how that works? See the rational behind that? To a lesser extent, thats what Kerry was saying. We didnt need to fight communism in Vietnam. We can fight it other ways and more important places. Im sorry but he was actually proven right. We didnt need to win in Vietnam to win over communism BECAUSE WE DIDNT WIN IN VIETNAM AND WON IN COMMUNISM!! If you step out of the rhetoric for a second, this might be a wee bit more clear to you.
October 27, 200421 yr We didnt need to win in Vietnam to win over communism BECAUSE WE DIDNT WIN IN VIETNAM AND WON IN COMMUNISM!! THANKS TO RONALD REAGON!!! Do I really need to go into Kerry's record on "supporting" Reagon's defeat of the Soviet Union?
October 27, 200421 yr We didnt need to win in Vietnam to win over communism BECAUSE WE DIDNT WIN IN VIETNAM AND WON IN COMMUNISM!! THANKS TO RONALD REAGON!!! Do I really need to go into Kerry's record on "supporting" Reagon's defeat of the Soviet Union? 601668[/snapback] no response to my destruction of your argument based on the quote then eh?
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