As mention during the season, a friend of the team mention to me that the Expos game against the Marlins(the doubleheader) down at the Pro. really pissed off alot of the players by the turn out during the WC run. The first game was started by Pavano(which less than 1000 people showed up). Carl was visibly upset before, during, and after the game. IMO this was the last straw for Carl staying a fish and it could be for a few players once they become free agents. Believe me when Penny was traded Carl was 70/30 to come back. The organization kind knew Pav's feelings "at the time", but again something change.

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This is a very good comment.....

 

The way I see it, the Marlins started a downhill run when they didnt resign I-Rod. By not resigning him, they where forced to trade Penny for a catcher and a closer they could have done without for the time being.

 

By not signing I-Rod they also caused the 4000 fans support they got in sept....which eventually leads to disgrunted players. It's a domino effect in my opinion and not going that extra mile with I - Rod who not only bought talent to this organization but bought LIFE to the Marlins.

 

combine all this with the fact that we play in a s***ty football stadium in unbearable heat and the chance of rain in every game.....and you have lousy fan support (not to mention the fact that baseball isnt chit in south florida obviously).

 

Well here looking forward to going to my next ballgame next season....this is one baseball fan that looks foward to some major league action.

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So you don't think it had anything to do with the weather or curfew in Palm Beach County right after the hurricane?

 

The fact is the Fish drew pretty well in Sept considering all that transpired off the field with several crowds in 38-41,000 range. I think all in all South Florida fans were able to put their problems aside and found time to support their local team.

 

To blame not signing Pudge as the reason for the poor attendance for those two games is`in my mind, ridiculous. It's inconceivable that Pavano lives in such a vacuum that he was unaware of why crowds were that small that day and speaks poorly of him, not the fans.

Do you all have to put everything as badly as possible? AJ was expressing his friendship for Pavano, but most of you automatically look for a way to say "f*** him".

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Bingo

A.J. has a pretty good arguement here. The last two seasons he's pitched in he has blatantly proven he deserves better from this franchise financially. If Loria and Beinfest don't try and lock him up this off-season, I doubt it will ever happen. He already has bad blood with the front office from the 2002 off-season...

As mention during the season, a friend of the team mention to me that the Expos game against the Marlins(the doubleheader) down at the Pro. really pissed off alot of the players by the turn out during the WC run. The first game was started by Pavano(which less than 1000 people showed up). Carl was visibly upset before, during, and after the game. IMO this was the last straw for Carl staying a fish and it could be for a few players once they become free agents. Believe me when Penny was traded Carl was 70/30 to come back. The organization kind knew Pav's feelings "at the time", but again something change.

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This is a very good comment.....

 

The way I see it, the Marlins started a downhill run when they didnt resign I-Rod. By not resigning him, they where forced to trade Penny for a catcher and a closer they could have done without for the time being.

 

By not signing I-Rod they also caused the 4000 fans support they got in sept....which eventually leads to disgrunted players. It's a domino effect in my opinion and not going that extra mile with I - Rod who not only bought talent to this organization but bought LIFE to the Marlins.

 

combine all this with the fact that we play in a s***ty football stadium in unbearable heat and the chance of rain in every game.....and you have lousy fan support (not to mention the fact that baseball isnt chit in south florida obviously).

 

Well here looking forward to going to my next ballgame next season....this is one baseball fan that looks foward to some major league action.

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So you don't think it had anything to do with the weather or curfew in Palm Beach County right after the hurricane?

 

The fact is the Fish drew pretty well in Sept considering all that transpired off the field with several crowds in 38-41,000 range. I think all in all South Florida fans were able to put their problems aside and found time to support their local team.

 

To blame not signing Pudge as the reason for the poor attendance for those two games is`in my mind, ridiculous. It's inconceivable that Pavano lives in such a vacuum that he was unaware of why crowds were that small that day and speaks poorly of him, not the fans.

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well you do have a valid point but, that to me is an additional reason for the low fan showing the last few days. All in all it comes down to it being a combination of things. I for one was not happy to see Penny become a Dodger. Call me old fashsion but I enjoy the days when players stuck to one team (and we all know thats not the case anymore unless your a productive Yankee like Jeter, Bernie, Mariano, Mattingly, Posada etc etc). I'll never be happy over letting pudge go. I dont see Benitez or Pavano being as important to keep as I did pudge. I cant speak for the fans, but as a fan myself, that was a bad move in the part of our Marlins.