January 23, 200521 yr Juan Gone is still relatively young. Javy has better stats than, say, Gary Carter (the biggest disgrace to the Hall). 663037[/snapback] Well, I refuse to acknowledge the fact that Gary Carter is in the hall. That just drastically lowers the bar. 663039[/snapback] Gary Carter was the most dominant catcher of his era and put up great offensive numbers in the deadball era of the 80's. Gary definitely deserves his spot in the hall.
January 23, 200521 yr Being the most dominant at your position at the time you play doesn't make you a lock for the Hall of Fame. The man has a .262 batting average. Didn't even hit over .255 any of his last 7 seasons.
January 23, 200521 yr Being the most dominant at your position at the time you play doesn't make you a lock for the Hall of Fame. The man has a .262 batting average. Didn't even hit over .255 any of his last 7 seasons. 663248[/snapback] Nobody said he was a lock, but the whole point of the hall of fame is having the best players at their positions when they played. Carter's numbers were borderline ... that's why he waited for a couple of years, but there's still no disputing he belongs there.
January 23, 200521 yr I think the point of the Hall of Fame is to recognize the best players, period. If we're talking about the best players at their position at their time, Jack Morris would definitely be in. Wouldn't Dawson and Mattingly have been getting in and making progress rather than losing ground each year? How about Jim Rice? Would Strawberry get in? Dale Murphy? Bert Blyleven? Ron Santo? Dwight Evans? ...
January 23, 200521 yr but the whole point of the hall of fame is having the best players at their positions when they played.663260[/snapback] Agree 110%
January 23, 200521 yr , Fred McGriff (deserves it more than Thomas) 662558[/snapback] LMAO are you fricken kidding??
January 23, 200521 yr , Fred McGriff (deserves it more than Thomas) 662558[/snapback] LMAO are you fricken kidding?? 663329[/snapback] No
January 23, 200521 yr He'll be well over 200 career wins by the time he retires and is practically a legend for his performance in the 2004 postseason. I think he's a shoo-in. 662723[/snapback] Well s***... I guess Livan is a first-ballot seeing as he was the NLCS and WS MVP in 1997... Schilling has less than 200 wins, no Cy Youngs, no ERA titles He wasn't near the pitcher that Koufax or Pedro were doing their prime, pitchers that well get in because of their dominance during a short stint. Schilling has been dominant of late, but not on their level.
January 23, 200521 yr 25 players that should be hall of famers if they retired today (players that are still active) By position: C. Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez 1B. Jeff Bagwell, Rafael Palmeiro, Frank Thomas, Jim THome 2B. Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio SS. Derek Jeter, Barry Larkin, Alex Rodriguez, Omar Vizquel LF. Barry BOnds, Manny Ramirez CF. Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Edmonds RF. Gary Sheffield, Sammy Sosa SP. Kevin Brown, Roger Clemens, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz RP. Mariano Rivera, Trevor Hoffman EDIT: removed Mussina, added Smoltz, Larkin and Hoffman 662255[/snapback] Some of those players will be HOFers but now know like Bagwell, Thomas, and Thome. I'd take out Vizquel, Larkin, Brown, Smoltz, and Hoffman...Edmonds is a bit borderline but will more than likely make it so long as he stays healthy and has a few good seasons.
January 23, 200521 yr but the whole point of the hall of fame is having the best players at their positions when they played.663260[/snapback] Agree 110% 663324[/snapback] Like I said, if this was the case, then (talking about currently eligible players) Morris, Dawson, Mattingly, Rice, Strawberry, Murphy, Blyleven, Santo and Evans, to name a few, would be in for sure. The best players at their positions when they played are the ones that MAKE the BALLOT...not the Hall itself.
January 23, 200521 yr He'll be well over 200 career wins by the time he retires and is practically a legend for his performance in the 2004 postseason. I think he's a shoo-in. 662723[/snapback] Well s***... I guess Livan is a first-ballot seeing as he was the NLCS and WS MVP in 1997... Schilling has less than 200 wins, no Cy Youngs, no ERA titles He wasn't near the pitcher that Koufax or Pedro were doing their prime, pitchers that well get in because of their dominance during a short stint. Schilling has been dominant of late, but not on their level. 663394[/snapback] Agreed, but I dont think that Pedro was dominant for a short time...more like 7 or 8 years. Thats a long time to be at the top for a pitcher. But this is just peanuts.
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