March 3, 200521 yr 20 years old or minimum 2 years in college... According to reliable sources with knowledge of negotiations between players and owners about the NBA's collective bargaining agreement, there is a plan on the table right now that would require a player to be either 20 years old or to have played two years of college basketball before he can be eligible for the NBA draft. According to sources, both the players and management would like to see the limit implemented. The players union feels that veteran players are being squeezed out of the league because it is cheaper to pay rookies to fill out the end of the roster than to have veterans fill out the end of the roster. Management, of course, is concerned about maturity issues, particularly off the court, with players coming straight into the NBA out of high school. Without a doubt, if an age restriction for the draft is indeed instituted, it will make for some powerhouse recruiting battles between the country's top college basketball programs for the country's top prep basketball prospects. An age restriction on the draft should only help the rich get richer in the college ranks. Most every player that would have been a potential draftee will more than likely attend a university with an elite basketball program. This is absolutley scary good for the top teams. There could be teams with 4 MDAA and other top prospects every year. I hope this goes through. College Basketball would go through the roof.
March 3, 200521 yr Hey fellas...I know it seems good for college, but think about it this way-- Diaper Dandies aren't going to get as much PT if they have great sophomore stars in the lineup... It'll stunt the growth of freshman, and could lead to a very interesting situation...
March 3, 200521 yr uhm, yeah they will in most circumstances it will be like how it kind of used to be where freshman came in and learned and if good enough they played .. if not they worked on their game and excelled in their sophmore years and further if someone can play they'll play ... if they aren't ready they will develop until that point i'd actually argue that having too much responsibility early stunts the development
March 3, 200521 yr uhm, yeah they will in most circumstances it will be like how it kind of used to be where freshman came in and learned and if good enough they played .. if not they worked on their game and excelled in their sophmore years and further if someone can play they'll play ... if they aren't ready they will develop until that point i'd actually argue that having too much responsibility early stunts the development 701143[/snapback] Been watching basketball recently? Most of the up and coming stars are early-entry draft picks or straight out of college. We're in a new generation, where basketball is being perfected at a younger age (I'm talking early in HS, late in middle school). Ogden is a great example. How many junior HS players have been compared to NBA players?
March 3, 200521 yr And I happen to like the higher scoring NBA as opposed to the slow, grind-it-out ball played in the past. It's the young ambitious players that make the game exciting. I'm not saying a junior in college (at 20 or 21) can't bring that level of excitement, but I think there's a definite chance of something negative resulting--one way or another. I am pro education, however, so I'm somewhat stuck in the middle.
March 3, 200521 yr that is BS ... it's just that expectations have dropped nothing is perfected at an early age there are some exceptions of guys who can make the leap .. but even then they don't usually seperate themselves until after they are 20 I know with the proliferation of AAU, etc that there is more exposure at an early age ... but kids have been working on their skills at a young age for as long as the game has been played the quality of basketball is much lower both collegiately and in the NBA than it was 15 years ago
March 3, 200521 yr And I happen to like the higher scoring NBA as opposed to the slow, grind-it-out ball played in the past. It's the young ambitious players that make the game exciting. 701149[/snapback] have you ever watched 80s NBA ball? today's NBA sucks compared to that. Much more exciting then when scores were regularly 120-110 and players were flying up and down the court. Scoring is way down since then because of all the isolation play among other things.
March 3, 200521 yr that is BS ... it's just that expectations have dropped nothing is perfected at an early age there are some exceptions of guys who can make the leap .. but even then they don't usually seperate themselves until after they are 20 I know with the proliferation of AAU, etc that there is more exposure at an early age ... but kids have been working on their skills at a young age for as long as the game has been played the quality of basketball is much lower both collegiately and in the NBA than it was 15 years ago 701151[/snapback] quality may be down, but athleticism and talent is up... I don't know how you can deny that.
March 3, 200521 yr And I happen to like the higher scoring NBA as opposed to the slow, grind-it-out ball played in the past. It's the young ambitious players that make the game exciting. 701149[/snapback] have you ever watched 80s NBA ball? today's NBA sucks compared to that. Much more exciting then when scores were regularly 120-110 and players were flying up and down the court. Scoring is way down since then because of all the isolation play among other things. 701155[/snapback] I'm not talking about the 80's, I'm talking about the 90's.
March 3, 200521 yr yep just checked the profile ... born in '85 ... was probably just starting to get into sports as it started to decline I started watching the game at the height of bird/magic and the great collegiate teams ... watched this go into the early 90s and then both drop off the nba is just starting to pick up again this year, and a lot of it has to do with the foreign influence on the game
March 3, 200521 yr yep just checked the profile ... born in '85 ... was probably just starting to get into sports as it started to decline I started watching the game at the height of bird/magic and the great collegiate teams ... watched this go into the early 90s and then both drop off the nba is just starting to pick up again this year, and a lot of it has to do with the foreign influence on the game 701159[/snapback] Exactly. I have no basis to judge the 80's, but like in my lifetime, offense and scoring is up in the past few years, and that is what I'm arguing. Don't make fun of my age :confused
March 3, 200521 yr that's just a generation gap many don't consider the style of the 90s the way it was played in the past
March 3, 200521 yr that is BS ... it's just that expectations have dropped nothing is perfected at an early age there are some exceptions of guys who can make the leap .. but even then they don't usually seperate themselves until after they are 20 I know with the proliferation of AAU, etc that there is more exposure at an early age ... but kids have been working on their skills at a young age for as long as the game has been played the quality of basketball is much lower both collegiately and in the NBA than it was 15 years ago 701151[/snapback] No it has a lot to do with the dominane of younger players. How many 30+ year old players are still at the top of the game...And how many in the Bird/Jordan/Magic days? It's a different generation.
March 3, 200521 yr not making fun of anything but with your age it would be hard to see the way that it used to be when there were college teams stacked ... unlv, duke, unc and many other just had a stockpile of talent .. where freshman didn't expect to get the ball as freshman and it worked great college was the place to learn .. the nba was the place to dominate the nba has been horrible until recently ... this year there are many teams I love to watch play .. but it's really not because of 18 and 19 year olds in the league i think that's hurt more than it's helped
March 3, 200521 yr younger players aren't dominate for the most part look at the best players in this game and look at their ages ... even the ones who came out of HS, look at what they did before they were pre-20 .. it wasn't that good
March 3, 200521 yr more athletic than what?! ... dominique, spud webb, reggie lewis, gus williams, tom chambers, jordan please ... don't confuse the iso game and showmanship with athleticism and talent
March 3, 200521 yr the reason why the game sucks is a lack of fundamentals. notice the teams that succeed. well coached and know how to play fundamental basketball. you know like passing hte basketball. this can only help the overall product.
March 3, 200521 yr younger players aren't dominate for the most part look at the best players in this game and look at their ages ... even the ones who came out of HS, look at what they did before they were pre-20 .. it wasn't that good 701168[/snapback] It's all change in the past few years with the recent surge of HS and freshman college players providing immediate impact. Amare Stoudemire (22), LeBron James (20), Josh Smith (19), Carmelo Anthony (20), Chris Bosh (20)...and then there are other very younger athletes who are considered top-tier: Dwyane Wade (23), Gilert Arenas (23), Rashard Lewis (23), etc... I guess this is getting off-topic, because some of those players don't support the current thread...
March 3, 200521 yr You're telling me that Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Amare Stoudemire, Lamar Odom (until recently) aren't athletic? I'm not even talking about accurate, because I'll give you that--but many people don't care about percentage as long as the game is fun to watch.
March 3, 200521 yr since you like scoring lets look at the top 15 scorers in the league Iverson - came into the league at 21 and put up 23 ppg .. in his 5th and 6th season he broke 30 ppg .. now at age 29 he is still over 30 ppg Kobe - came into the league at 18 and put up 7 ppg .. didn't break 20 ppg until he was 21 ... had his best season at 24 dirk - came into the league at 20 and put up 8.2 ppg - didn't break 20 ppg until 22 Amare - a freak - came into the league at 19 and turned 20 in his rookie season .. put up 13.5 in his rookie season and has been over 20 ppg since (all over 20 years of age) Gilbert Arenas - came into the league at 19 and turned 20 as a rook - put up 10.9 ppg .. this is the first year he has been over 20 ppg (4th year in league) TMac - was 18 most of his rookie year and put up 7 ppg and followed up with 9 ppg as a 19 year old - it wasn't until he was 21 that he broke 20 ppg LeBron - another freak and an exception to be sure - put up 20 ppg and under the new rules wouldn't be eligible until this draft Jermaine O'Neal - entered the league as an 18 year old and put up 4 ppg .. didn't break 5 ppg until 22 ... 20 ppg until 24 Ray Allen - entered the league as a 21 yr old and put up 13 ppg - didn't break 20 ppg until 24 Dwayne Wade - entered the league as a 21 yr old and put up 16 ppg .. currently over 20 ppg in his second season Jason Richardson - came into the league at 20 .. didn't break 20 ppg until 23 (this year) Shaq - came into the league at 20 and put up over 20 ppg ... hasn't slowed down since Michael Redd - came into the league at 21 and put up 2 ppg ... now over 20 ppg at age 24 Vince Carter - came into the league at 21 and put up 18 ppg ... put up 25 ppg in his second season Garnett - came into the league at 19 and put up 10 ppg ... didn't put up 20 ppg until age 22 so that is the top 15 ... by keeping the age limit at 20 what do you lose out on? 1 20 ppg game season ... a couple above average 10 ppg seasons?! and the downside?! ... all these kids who will amount to nothing in the league eating depth on NBA rosters
March 3, 200521 yr but the old guys weren't unathletic the main difference is the style of play is similar to what you profess to like now moving the ball, cutting, etc not iso BS and this style does have more to do with the foreign influence than HS influence look at the high scoring teams ... seattle plays pure euro ball, dallas and sacramento play a very european style, the phoenix coach was a staple in Italy where he developed the style the suns play, there are also some conventional 80s type approaches (heat, wiz) and fundamental approaches (SA) that are appealing the young players are great the young players energize the league .. but it's always been that way ... the only difference is that they came into the league more polished and knowing how to play the game a little better
March 3, 200521 yr I disagree with this. I think that if they have talent and can play, then play. Dorrell Wright may not get playing time but he gets a lot of practice time, with some of the best coaches in basketball. He can dedicate his time to basketball unlike in college where he must delegate his time. It may improve the product in the NCAA but not in the NBA. LeBron arguably the best guard in the game is 20 years old and took the league by storm out of high school. Players that have stayed in college dont come out as seasoned as a HS player who has played in the NBA for 2, 3, or 4 years.
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