The rehabilitation philosophy in corrections is a joke, but to be fair, the deterrance effect is usually minimal, leading to a brutalization effect instead, which, if anything, increases violence used by criminals. Few reasonable people think rehabilitation is the best way to go, considering that it is ineffective and not feasible in a prison setting.

Remember Leper Colonies??

 

Let's put all the sex offenders on some Gilligan's Island and let thy will be done. If God wants them alive, he will provide. If not, they'll die a horrible death but probably not horrible enough to atone for their crimes.

8 x 10 jail cell.

 

 

bread and water.

 

 

life.

 

and be done with it.

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Is he going to jail in mexico? In the U.S. they get much more than just bread and water. Humans have an innate will to live. He's better off in jail than dead.

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that would be a deterrant to crime.

 

 

that is what jail ultimately should be.

 

 

this bulls*** about rehabbing criminals is just that.

 

 

whats the point if they are in jail for life with no parole...rehabbing them for what?

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thats exactly what i'm saying. Jail needs to be somewhere people really dont want to go. Phoenix's idea of 'penal colony' is not a bad idea actually for people like sex offenders"

I feel so bad for the family. My prayers go out to them. That dude was sick, killing a 9 year old girl. :thumbdown

I feel so bad for the family. My prayers go out to them. That dude was sick, killing a 9 year old girl. :thumbdown

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The killing isnt whats sick. Its the rape and torture

Seeing her father on TV definitely got me riled up. He was right on about everything he said.

Old Sparky should be un-retired for child killers. They don't deserve any appeals either. Just kill them.

I would like to see them hanged.

The rehabilitation philosophy in corrections is a joke, but to be fair, the deterrance effect is usually minimal, leading to a brutalization effect instead, which, if anything, increases violence used by criminals. Few reasonable people think rehabilitation is the best way to go, considering that it is ineffective and not feasible in a prison setting.

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It's not a matter of it being the "best" way to go, but what's the alternative? And if we're talking about a life term then it's a moot point.

 

But in this case the killer was recorded back when he was arrested in '91 (for touching a little girl), saying that he needed help so he wouldn't molest a kid again, & didn't think his 2 year prison term was going to do him any good. I'm not saying he honestly wanted help, the guy is clearly a demented and sick f*ck. And he obviously never actively went out & sought treatment himself. But I don't want to just hope that demented sick people will seek help for their twisted problems, I want to try & at least make an effort to fix them (if such a thing is possible) while they're serving a sentence. Otherwise, if you are jailing a convicted child molester for 2 years, what reason do you have to hope he'll be any different when he gets out? The deterrence idea is overvalued anyway. Maybe a clear-thinking mind weighs the jail time of a sick evil act like that before he commits it. But if he were a clear-thinking rational individual he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

The rehabilitation philosophy in corrections is a joke, but to be fair, the deterrance effect is usually minimal,? leading to a brutalization effect instead, which, if anything, increases violence used by criminals.? Few reasonable people think rehabilitation is the best way to go, considering that it is ineffective and not feasible in a prison setting.

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It's not a matter of it being the "best" way to go, but what's the alternative? And if we're talking about a life term then it's a moot point.

 

But in this case the killer was recorded back when he was arrested in '91 (for touching a little girl), saying that he needed help so he wouldn't molest a kid again, & didn't think his 2 year prison term was going to do him any good. I'm not saying he honestly wanted help, the guy is clearly a demented and sick f*ck. And he obviously never actively went out & sought treatment himself. But I don't want to just hope that demented sick people will seek help for their twisted problems, I want to try & at least make an effort to fix them (if such a thing is possible) while they're serving a sentence. Otherwise, if you are jailing a convicted child molester for 2 years, what reason do you have to hope he'll be any different when he gets out? The deterrence idea is overvalued anyway. Maybe a clear-thinking mind weighs the jail time of a sick evil act like that before he commits it. But if he were a clear-thinking rational individual he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

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Exactly. This particlar guy needs to be distinguished before the arm chair folks get up in arms. 10 years ago he put his hand over a girls mouth and tried to kiss her. Yeah its sick and yeah its perverted but you cant get pissed off because the state didnt execute him or put him away for life back then. At least, knowing they couldnt do anything to him long term, they tried to rehab him. Its terrible that it didnt work but short of keeping a cop on him constantly, nothing could really happen. Child molesters are sick f***s who get everything they have coming towards them but its a stretch to attack the justice system on this one.

MarlinsContinueTo ShowDominance makes a valid point that both rehab and deterrance have both been relativley ineffective, though rehab perhaps less so but less funded.

 

Unless we are willing to execute all first time offenders of crime, its pretty well known that our modern prison system breeds greater violence. It also facilitates gang activities. Its easy for politicans to say stuff to appease people who want to lock em up and throw away the key. But thats not always feasible. If anything, society needs to start caring how prisons are run and be willing to invest in improvments in the prison system. Quite frankly, they are overburdened, underfunded, and badly run because people dont care as long as thats where "those people" are.

Personally, I think that deterrance is the least effective method. Clearly criminals aren't fazed by the threat of the death penalty, otherwise crime would have dropped when we first started executing criminals.

What hotcorner is talking about isnt really rehabilitation by itself. Its a mixture of rehab with incapacitation. Right now the prevailing models in this country are retribution and rehabilitation. Rehab is attempted but fails, b/c you cannot rehba every single offender and b/c attempting to do so is too expensive. The solution is to minimize penalties for many drug offenses. This will reduce overcrowding and we cna focus more on getting the sick f***s some help.