July 23, 200322 yr And you know what? I actually believe you. You should believe me. But what experts made the 13-3 picks? Local TV analysts... I haven't heard any predictions out of FOX or ESPN or anything like that. The reason I don't believe you is simply because I don't believe 9-7. It's not that I don't trust you, it's just I think those picks are so off-base...
July 23, 200322 yr You think those picks are off base because your pride gets in the way. Realistically, nationally, nobody thinks you guys will do anything. Local TV picks? Well that explains 11-5, 12-4, and 13-3. Local TV= Bias Thats why I don't listen to local outlets picks because they always butter up the Packers record. And I don't butter up Green Bays record. Wild Card, I think if people like the experts I have mentioned say you guys will be 8-8/10-6 I think they might have some credibility to it.
July 23, 200322 yr Realistically, nationally, nobody thinks you guys will do anything. Local TV picks? Well that explains 11-5, 12-4, and 13-3. Local TV= Bias AGAIN, nationally we have been picked to be the favorites to win the AFC. And how did I know you were gonna say that about local coverage. Because in S. Florida, most are VERY skeptical of the Dolphins. And usually local media is more correct than anyone, because they spend more time with the team at camp, and they cover Miami, not the entire league, 24/7. I trust the local media more than the National media...
July 23, 200322 yr Okay what National Outlet has picked you guys to win the AFC? Every national outlet I have seen doesn't even put you guys in the Playoffs.
July 23, 200322 yr Okay what National Outlet has picked you guys to win the AFC? Most national outlets don't even put you guys in the Playoffs. I haven't even seen a prediction from a national outlet!
July 23, 200322 yr Originally posted by Wild Card... AGAIN, nationally we have been picked to be the favorites to win the AFC. Explain that then.
July 23, 200322 yr Originally posted by Wild Card... AGAIN, nationally we have been picked to be the favorites to win the AFC. Explain that then. We WILL be... :shifty
July 23, 200322 yr You guys already are buried nationally. You've been saying you were picked by national experts to win the AFC for 2 weeks or so now. And now you say "you will be" Man this gets better and better. Changing stories around to your advantage. You might as well write that your biased to the Fins in your signature man.
July 23, 200322 yr You might as well write that your biased to the Fins in your signature man. Done. What fan ISN'T biased toward their respected team(s)?
July 23, 200322 yr Haha. I didn't mean for you to take it literally! But WC obviously every fan has a bias. Some bigger then others. But hey nice to see your a good sport about it. :lol :lol :lol
July 23, 200322 yr Just had to make a point there... Every fan has their biased... Don't hold it against them...
July 23, 200322 yr Obviously I hold bias. But not as much as most fans or Packer Fans. I actually know when the Packers are screwed. But ever think of fans like Bengal and Bear fans? You think they got bias' AGAINST their teams?
July 24, 200322 yr I'll just predict who I think the superbowl will contain: Eagles vs. Dolphins I chose the Eagles b/c they're my hometown team and I'd NEVER bet against them, and I chose the phins for their damned improved defense!!!!!
July 24, 200322 yr Author Actually a good friend of my fathers Tom Moore with the Colts or Mike Tretsman with the Raiders are the best in the game in my opinion. I said Norv is overrated as a Coach and not a Coordinator. And if Turner is such a savior, 26th ranked passing game. Fielder, Chambers, and McMichael must be great to get a 26th ranked Pass Attack. The signature of a GREAT coordinator is that of one who can get his team to effectively run and pass the ball. Turner never had that balance except for one year in Washington. Here is all the Picks I have read in Magazines and Seen on TV... Pro Football Weekly: 9-7 3rd Place Lindsey's Pro Football Extra: 8-8 4th Place Street and Smiths Picks Miami: 3rd Place in the AFC East (no record picked) Fox Sports Net (Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, & Howie Long) Pick the Fins: All pick you guys to be at 3rd Place at 9-7 SI Online From the CNN/SI cable Channel: 9-7 3rd Place Packer Plus -Reggie White- : 9-7 4th Place ESPNEWS (Steve Young, Sean Salisbury, Tom Jackson) pick Miami to be: Young- 8-8 4th Place in Division Salisbury- 10-6 3rd Place in Division Jackson- 9-7 3rd Place in Division I think those pics say something. INJURIES...Fiedler was out for SIX WEEK...!!! Watch how Miami Offense will be one of the top 5.
July 24, 200322 yr Minus you are crazy. I mean. TOP 5? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??!?!?! Ill list all the offenses in no particular order that are wolrds better then the Offensively Challenged fins... 1. Raiders 2. Chiefs 3. Packers 4. Vikings 5. 49ers 6. Giants 7. Patriots 8. Bills 9. Jets 10. Steelers 11. Titans 12. Colts 13. Broncos 14. Chargers 15. Eagles 16. Rams 17. Saints 18. Falcons Fiedler is overrated. Chambers, Williams, and McMichael are your only good offensive players. Those are 18 teams that clearly have better offenses then you guys. The offenses aren't listed in orfer of how I would rank them. They are just how they came to mind. But your insane if you think you guys even have a top 10 offense. Now there is more bias in your "top 5" statement then any statement I have seen on this website. Injuries are no excuse. Green Bay set a team record and lead the league last year in total injuries and still went 12-4. So the injury excuse is absolutely unaccepable.
July 24, 200322 yr Author Minus you are crazy. I mean. TOP 5? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??!?!?! Ill list all the offenses in no particular order that are wolrds better then the Offensively Challenged fins... 1. Raiders 2. Chiefs 3. Packers 4. Vikings 5. 49ers 6. Giants 7. Patriots 8. Bills 9. Jets 10. Steelers 11. Titans 12. Colts 13. Broncos 14. Chargers 15. Eagles 16. Rams 17. Saints 18. Falcons Fiedler is overrated. Chambers, Williams, and McMichael are your only good offensive players. Those are 18 teams that clearly have better offenses then you guys. The offenses aren't listed in orfer of how I would rank them. They are just how they came to mind. But your insane if you think you guys even have a top 10 offense. Now there is more bias in your "top 5" statement then any statement I have seen on this website. Injuries are no excuse. Green Bay set a team record and lead the league last year in total injuries and still went 12-4. So the injury excuse is absolutely unaccepable. Say what ever you want but the Dolphins were in AVG. 30 points per game and rank 13 pass offense and top 3 rushing which came out to be top 10 total offense through six game.After Fiedler injury than the offense went to hell with Lucas at the helm and Fiedler wasn't the same after having surgery.All I have to say is watch and you will see what I'm talking about.Norv Turner offensive prowess will be showcase this year.
July 24, 200322 yr Thats 6 games. Not the entire year. You guys don't even have the personell to do it. Sorry.
July 24, 200322 yr Author Thats 6 games. Not the entire year. You guys don't even have the personell to do it. Sorry. QB-Fiedler Looking very strong before injury and should have a breakout year Very Underated Qb Rb-Williams Turning into the best runningback in the league WR-Chambers Hit a sophomore slump but has all the talent in the world.Now CHambers says he is ready to play up to his potential and wants the ball.His production fell off by Fiedler injury. Thompson Didn't start the season as the starter but has some great games down the stretch.Big physical strong receiver with great hands and surprising speed.Ended last season with 53 receptions and 14.6 avg per catch. WK OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD 15 21-34 7 70 10.0 21 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 14 27-21 6 122 20.3 36 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 1 1 13 20-27 6 94 15.7 35 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 James Mcknight and Gadsen Give very solid depth at 3rd and 4th options. TE-Mcmicheal The player that was most affected by Fiedler injury was McMicheal who was leading all TE'S statisticly before Fiedler injury.His production fell way off as soon as Lucas was at the helm.Ray Lucas never use all his progression and couldn't hit a target if his life depended on it. OL-Again this is an area which is most people are quick to point out LT is a weakness because Dixon health issues and he prefers playing guard but he is the best OL in the team when he is healthy.Dolphins offensive line is actually very good but I'm worry about depth at Lt since Dixon is injury prone.
July 24, 200322 yr Author Oh yeah and the Dolphins can't stop praising rookie WR Tolver who was the Dolphins fifth round pick.The Dolphins believe they selected another steal like McMicheal.I attended several QB schools and I was impress by the rookie.I'm just waiting until training camp to see him in action in pads before I start making comparison to Mcmicheal.
July 24, 200322 yr Griese is going to start sooner or later this year. Mark those words right there. - Fiedlers stats when he has been healty were never that good to begin with. He sucks. Get over it. Fiedler is going to be 32 years old. Hes getting old for a QB. Favre may be older, but lets not even think of comparing Fiedler to Favre. Fiedler is too old for a QB at his skill level. He has a weak arm. Fiedler is miscast on a team that wants more then the playoffs. I wasn't impressed with Fiedlers stats through six games last year. And how much of that 30 pt. a game average through 6 come from DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS (case closed on that one). - Williams is great. Awesome back. Not much more to say about him. - I saw Chambers in his days with Wisconsin. Chambers is great. - Thompson needs to have one more year like he did last year to prove himself. - Gadsden suffered a wrist injury and a wrist injury to reciever is like a foot injury to a kicker. Plus Gadsden is old in his early 30's. No recievers are ever good past 30 (typically). - McKnight SUCKS, WC will even agree to that. Awful reciever. - McMichael is good. But nowhere near the class of Franks, Gonzalez, and Shockey. - Your O-Line is tough to make a call on. I would say its an average O-Line, no better and no worse. Here I will breakdown the Packers/Dolphins offensive matchups.... QB- Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre RB- Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year. But fact is he didnt. FB- Henderson/Konrad WINNER: Henderson in a route ---- William Henderson is quietly the best Fullback in football. He is the best blocking back and best recieving Fullback and the stats prove it. TE- Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout ----- Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game. Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all. 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year. The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs. WR- Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts"). Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR. 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year. Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL. Offensive Line- Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents. Case Closed. Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily. But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief :lol
July 24, 200322 yr Author Griese is going to start sooner or later this year. Mark those words right there. - Fiedlers stats when he has been healty were never that good to begin with. He sucks. Get over it. Fiedler is going to be 32 years old. Hes getting old for a QB. Favre may be older, but lets not even think of comparing Fiedler to Favre. Fiedler is too old for a QB at his skill level. He has a weak arm. Fiedler is miscast on a team that wants more then the playoffs. I wasn't impressed with Fiedlers stats through six games last year. And how much of that 30 pt. a game average through 6 come from DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS (case closed on that one). - Williams is great. Awesome back. Not much more to say about him. - I saw Chambers in his days with Wisconsin. Chambers is great. - Thompson needs to have one more year like he did last year to prove himself. - Gadsden suffered a wrist injury and a wrist injury to reciever is like a foot injury to a kicker. Plus Gadsden is old in his early 30's. No recievers are ever good past 30 (typically). - McKnight SUCKS, WC will even agree to that. Awful reciever. - McMichael is good. But nowhere near the class of Franks, Gonzalez, and Shockey. - Your O-Line is tough to make a call on. I would say its an average O-Line, no better and no worse. Here I will breakdown the Packers/Dolphins offensive matchups.... QB- Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre RB- Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year. But fact is he didnt. FB- Henderson/Konrad WINNER: Henderson in a route ---- William Henderson is quietly the best Fullback in football. He is the best blocking back and best recieving Fullback and the stats prove it. TE- Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout ----- Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game. Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all. 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year. The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs. WR- Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts"). Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR. 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year. Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL. Offensive Line- Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents. Case Closed. Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily. But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief :lol I don't understand how you became Mr.Football in your hometown.All I have to say is way for end of regular season next and we'll see who right I can sit here and debate your rankings but I'm not.All I have to say is wait for my PM in your mailbox soon on the bet.
July 24, 200322 yr Minus you are crazy. I mean. TOP 5? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??!?!?! Ill list all the offenses in no particular order that are wolrds better then the Offensively Challenged fins... 1. Raiders 2. Chiefs 3. Packers 4. Vikings 5. 49ers 6. Giants 7. Patriots 8. Bills 9. Jets 10. Steelers 11. Titans 12. Colts 13. Broncos 14. Chargers 15. Eagles 16. Rams 17. Saints 18. Falcons Fiedler is overrated. Chambers, Williams, and McMichael are your only good offensive players. Those are 18 teams that clearly have better offenses then you guys. The offenses aren't listed in orfer of how I would rank them. They are just how they came to mind. But your insane if you think you guys even have a top 10 offense. Now there is more bias in your "top 5" statement then any statement I have seen on this website. Injuries are no excuse. Green Bay set a team record and lead the league last year in total injuries and still went 12-4. So the injury excuse is absolutely unaccepable. The Giants, Steelers and Titans shouldn't be placed ahead of us. Giants have Kerry Collins and no running back. Steelers have the drasticly fading Bettis and TOMMY MADDUX! Titans have the good/great McNair, but a fading George and not many recievers/TE's...
July 24, 200322 yr Griese is going to start sooner or later this year. Mark those words right there. - Fiedlers stats when he has been healty were never that good to begin with. He sucks. Get over it. Fiedler is going to be 32 years old. Hes getting old for a QB. Favre may be older, but lets not even think of comparing Fiedler to Favre. Fiedler is too old for a QB at his skill level. He has a weak arm. Fiedler is miscast on a team that wants more then the playoffs. I wasn't impressed with Fiedlers stats through six games last year. And how much of that 30 pt. a game average through 6 come from DEFENSE and SPECIAL TEAMS (case closed on that one). - Williams is great. Awesome back. Not much more to say about him. - I saw Chambers in his days with Wisconsin. Chambers is great. - Thompson needs to have one more year like he did last year to prove himself. - Gadsden suffered a wrist injury and a wrist injury to reciever is like a foot injury to a kicker. Plus Gadsden is old in his early 30's. No recievers are ever good past 30 (typically). - McKnight SUCKS, WC will even agree to that. Awful reciever. - McMichael is good. But nowhere near the class of Franks, Gonzalez, and Shockey. - Your O-Line is tough to make a call on. I would say its an average O-Line, no better and no worse. Here I will breakdown the Packers/Dolphins offensive matchups.... QB- Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre RB- Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year. But fact is he didnt. FB- Henderson/Konrad WINNER: Henderson in a route ---- William Henderson is quietly the best Fullback in football. He is the best blocking back and best recieving Fullback and the stats prove it. TE- Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout ----- Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game. Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all. 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year. The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs. WR- Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts"). Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR. 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year. Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL. Offensive Line- Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents. Case Closed. Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily. But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief :lol OK, hold on. Bubba Franks is NOT far better than McMichael by ANY means. Remember, your rookie WIDE RECIEVER Walker had less recieving yards than McMichael did, and Randy didn't catch more than 10 passes in like the last 4 games of the year. Bubba is better, but McMichael is not too far behind. I would say they are quite even recieving wise, but blocking wise Bubba has a big edge. And Walker was a rookie with 300+ yards. Let's give him MVP! He is not better than Thompson. Thompson now has a more involved role in Miami's offense then he ever did in Washington, and last year he barely missed 800 yards. Don't get greedy. You guys are better in almost every catagory. You don't need to stretch it.
July 24, 200322 yr Author Griese is going to start sooner or later this year.? Mark those words right there. - Fiedlers stats when he has been healty were never that good to begin with.? He sucks.? Get over it.? Fiedler is going to be 32 years old.? Hes getting old for a QB.? Favre may be older, but lets not even think of comparing Fiedler to Favre.? Fiedler is too old for a QB at his skill level.? He has a weak arm.? Fiedler is miscast on a team that wants more then the playoffs.? I wasn't impressed with Fiedlers stats through six games last year.? And how much of that 30 pt.? a game average through 6 come from DEFENSE and SPECIAL? TEAMS (case closed on that one). - Williams is great.? Awesome back.? Not much more to say about him. - I saw Chambers in his days with Wisconsin.? Chambers is great. - Thompson needs to have one more year like he did last year to prove himself. - Gadsden suffered a wrist injury and a wrist injury to reciever is like a foot injury to a kicker.? Plus Gadsden is old in his early 30's.? No recievers are ever good past 30 (typically). - McKnight SUCKS, WC will even agree to that.? Awful reciever. - McMichael is good.? But nowhere near the class of Franks, Gonzalez, and Shockey. - Your O-Line is tough to make a call on.? I would say its an average O-Line, no better and no worse. Here I will breakdown the Packers/Dolphins offensive matchups.... QB- Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre RB- Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year.? But fact is he didnt. FB- Henderson/Konrad WINNER: Henderson in a route ---- William Henderson is quietly the best Fullback in football.? He is the best blocking back and best recieving Fullback and the stats prove it. TE- Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout -----? Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game.? Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all.? 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year.? The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs. WR- Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts").? Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR.? 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year.? Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23? 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL. Offensive Line- Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents.? Case Closed. Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily. But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief ? :lol OK, hold on. Bubba Franks is NOT far better than McMichael by ANY means. Remember, your rookie WIDE RECIEVER Walker had less recieving yards than McMichael did, and Randy didn't catch more than 10 passes in like the last 4 games of the year. Bubba is better, but McMichael is not too far behind. I would say they are quite even recieving wise, but blocking wise Bubba has a big edge. And Walker was a rookie with 300+ yards. Let's give him MVP! He is not better than Thompson. Thompson now has a more involved role in Miami's offense then he ever did in Washington, and last year he barely missed 800 yards. Don't get greedy. You guys are better in almost every catagory. You don't need to stretch it. Actually receiving edge goes to Mcmicheal and McMicheal is probably one of the better run blocking Tight ends in the league in his first year.NFL Edge Matchup digested alot of Ricky Williams long runs and McMicheal blocking was oustanding and they all praise the rookie.I didn't want to respond to Phlub rambling because he is too bias to have a NFL conversation.Randy Mcmicheal will be FAR more superior player than Bubba Franks is and just watch this year.Jevon Walker might become a great receiver but you can't come to conclucsion that he is better than thompson base on his rookie stats that aren't impressive.If you want to see some real impressive stats as a rookie than check out Chmabers rookie stats and he was team fourth receiver his rookie season.Henderson in a route?Funny too but I'll give Henderson slight edge for now.All i have to say is lets bring this thread up in January.
July 24, 200322 yr Actually receiving edge goes to Mcmicheal and McMicheal is probably one of the better run blocking Tight ends in the league in his first year.NFL Edge Matchup digested alot of Ricky Williams long runs and McMicheal blocking was oustanding and they all praise the rookie.I didn't want to respond to Phlub rambling because he is too bias to have a NFL conversation.Randy Mcmicheal will be FAR more superior player than Bubba Franks is and just watch this year. He is not far more superior, but the difference between the two is much closer than Phlub made it sound...
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