Randy Mcmicheal will be FAR more superior player than Bubba Franks is and just watch this year.

I said Randy will become a far more superior player than Bubba Franks.

Henderson in a route?Funny too but I'll give Henderson slight edge for now.All i have to say is lets bring this thread up in January.

 

Henderson is better, but Konrad should have made the Pro Bowl, he should not have been a reserve. Konrad is easily one of the best FB's in the game, blocking wise is in the top 2 and running/recieving wise is the top 10 (just doesn't run due to a guy name Ricky).

Franks is better the McMichael. McMichael isn't a good blocker and doesnt nearly have the size that even your coaches would like. Franks is 6-6, 270. McMichael is 6-3, 250. Randy is a good speed guy though. Minus McMichael will NEVER be better then Franks.

 

Bubba has sure hands. Great blocker. Great size. But no speed. Franks isn't worlds better. That was my bias getting in the way. The only time my "bias" gets going is when someone makes an outrageous statement like the Fins will be in the "Top 5 in offense".

 

Henderson though is worlds better. Henderson is the best blocking Full Back in the league and its a shame they don't have a statistic for linebackers leveled by FBs, cuz Henderson would hold the record. Hendersons 20 catches, 150 yds, and 4-5 recieving TDs a year speak for themselves. Henderson is the best recieving FB. And Best Blocking. PERIOD, no bias in that. Henderson gets screwed every year because Alstott who is WAY, WAY, overrated.

 

 

Thompson is better then Walker until further notice. But Walker is due for a BIG season. Thompshons 773 yds. last year are impressive for what I consider a bad offense with Spurrier in Washington. I'll give you guys that.

 

 

Tennessee does have a better offense. McNair is better then Fiedler. George isn't as good as Williams. Wycheck and McMichael are about even. And until Chambers puts up stats better then Dyson which would have to be about 1100 yds a year, Dyson is better, and the Titan O-Line is far better.

 

Pittsburgh is a better offense. Maddux is better then Fiedler but Ward, Burress and Randel-El probably all have a reason with that, otherwise I consider Maddux and Fielder equals as far as talent goes. Bettis isn't as good as Williams. But Ward, and Burress are both 1000 yd. Pro Bowl type recievers. Something you guys dont have 1 of. Randel-El is one of the best 3rd recievers in the league. Putting up starting numbers at a #3 spot.

 

The Giants are better on offense also. Collins is much more superior then Fiedler. Barber lead the NFC in total yards, but isn't better then Williams. However, Toomer, Hilliard, and Ron Dixon are better then Chambers, Thompson, McKnight. Toomer recieved for almost 1400 yds last year. Shockey is more superior then McMichael. Shocky had 900 yds recieving last year!

 

The Giants O-Line is also better.

Look....

 

 

Let me end everyone's misery.

 

 

Cowboys are winning the Super Bowl.

 

 

That's all you need to know.

Article in today's MJS under the caption, "Thumbs Down" (paraphrased):

 

WR Javon Walker dropped the ball on a deep out in the morning workout. It would have been a tough catch, but not as tough as the catch Ferguden made the day before. Later Walker had Al Harris beat by a step (hmmmmmmm!)on a fly pattern and Favre's perfect pass sailed right through his hands. Walker made several plays in the afternoon workout (without pads)-----but those two miscues in the morning session are what separate the "teases" in the NFL from the primetime WRs.

 

"The above caption is on top of as I reported from mini camp----Walker's dropping 3 of 4 passes without pads in a passing scrimmage and having the worst drop ratio of any WR in the NFL last year (18%)! He had similar problems at FSU! If his problem isn't ADD----it has to be something very similar!"

Minus McMichael will NEVER be better then Franks.

 

Bubba has sure hands.

McMihcael is probably even recieving eise untill further notice, but will become an elite pass catcher this season. If you want to talk sure hands at TE, McMichael come to mind most definately. Bubba and Gonzalez too, but McMicael made some SPECTACUALR catches last year.

 

Henderson though is worlds better.? Henderson is the best blocking Full Back in the league and its a shame they don't have a statistic for linebackers leveled by FBs, cuz Henderson would hold the record.? Hendersons 20 catches, 150 yds, and 4-5 recieving TDs a year speak for themselves.? Henderson is the best recieving FB.? And Best Blocking.? PERIOD, no bias in that.

Henderson is the best blocking FB, and I think Rob Konrad is 2nd on the list, no biased. Maybe Alstott is ahead. MAYBE. And I forget his name (probably because he was a Bengal) but the new FB of the Chargers is the best recieving fullback in the league. THEN Henderson. Rushing Alstott is hands down the best.

 

Thompson is better then Walker until further notice.? But Walker is due for a BIG season.? Thompshons 773 yds. last year are impressive for what I consider a bad offense with Spurrier in Washington.? I'll give you guys that.

 

That's all iw anted to hear on that...

 

Tennessee does have a better offense.? McNair is better then Fiedler.? George isn't as good as Williams.? Wycheck and McMichael are about even.? And until Chambers puts up stats better then Dyson which would have to be about 1100 yds a year, Dyson is better, and the Titan O-Line is far better.

Miami has far more talent at WR. Their best WR might be better than ours, but we have better WR's from 2-5. This is a toss-up really.

 

Pittsburgh is a better offense.? Maddux is better then Fiedler but Ward, Burress and Randel-El probably all have a reason with that, otherwise I consider Maddux and Fielder equals as far as talent goes.? Bettis isn't as good as Williams.? But Ward, and Burress are both 1000 yd. Pro Bowl type recievers.? Something you guys dont have 1 of.? Randel-El is one of the best 3rd recievers in the league.? Putting up starting numbers at a #3 spot.

 

The only way they're better is because of Ward and Burress...

 

The Giants are better on offense also.? Collins is much more superior then Fiedler.? Barber lead the NFC in total yards, but isn't better then Williams.? However, Toomer, Hilliard, and Ron Dixon are better then Chambers, Thompson, McKnight.? Toomer recieved for almost 1400 yds last year.? Shockey is more superior then McMichael.? Shocky had 900 yds recieving last year!

 

Didn't they lose Hilliard? Anyways, they probably are better...

 

The key thing with almost every team compared to Miami is... The only team with a better defense is Tampa. Period. That's where Miami will win there games. Just like Tampa did.

Didn't they lose Hilliard? Anyways, they probably are better...

 

The key thing with almost every team compared to Miami is... The only team with a better defense is Tampa. Period. That's where Miami will win there games. Just like Tampa did.

Nope he said earlier in The Season that he was signing with another team. I thought it was going to be Wash, seeing it was right after Spur came on board.

 

But he re-signed with The Good Guys

Chambers isn't better then Driver.

Chambers isn't better then Driver.

Talent wise yes but Chambers needs to show production so Driver is better as of right now.

The Bucs and Dolphins are my teams.

 

Fins on CBS and Bucs on FOX, have my TV preset already :w00t

 

Very excited about this upcoming season.

 

BTW, Chuckie (Gruden) has pledged that when the Bucs repeat being champs this season he will walk down an expressway in Tampa only wearing a jockstrap, let's hope he was only kidding.

wat can i say,the dolphins hav the AFC pro-bowl defense, we'll take the division this year, and i wont be surprised if we take the super-bowl!

QB-

Favre/Fiedler WINNER: Favre ---- Favre/Griese WINNER: Favre

Thats a given.

 

RB-

Green/Williams WINNER: Williams ---- But keep in mind Green would have lead the league in rushing yards and total yards if he didn't miss 6 games last year.? But fact is he didnt.

 

Oh really? Funny thing is he played in 14 games and averaged 88ypg but Ricky averaged over 100ypg. So your logic is wrong and if Marshall Faulk was not hurt he would have lead the league in overall yards. Winner Williams, easy.

 

TE-

Franks/McMichael WINNER: Franks in a blowout -----? Bubba is now one of the 2 most complete TE's in the game.? Him and Gonzalez are the 2 best (obviously Gonzalez is a Chief) do it all.? 50 catches a year, 500 yds a year, Great Run and Pass Blockers, 8 tds. a year.? The only reason Shockey isn't up there is his lack of TDs

As a rookie McMichael's production was almost the same as Franks and was far better than Frank's rookie production. Bubba dropped a ton of passes as a rookie and still drops easy ones. To say that Bubba is better than either Macrus Pollard or Shockey is ridiculous too. Pollard was hurt most of last year but is better than Franks. He had 900yds and 75 catches. He is better than Franks, who had 1 TD as a rookie. Also Franks is described as more of a "willing than able blocker", meaning he isn't that good at it! Franks and McMichael push.

 

WR-

Driver/Chambers WINNER: Driver ------ Driver wins because he has much more "sure hands" and has more speed and more knowledge (of "game smarts").

 

More speed and sure hands? No way! Chambers routinely makes the acrobatic hard catch and ran a 4.25 in his pre-draft workout, the fastest of any player in the 2001 Draft, edgeing out Koren Robinson I believe. And game smarts, please. Driver has had one good year. They are even as of now, soon Chambers will be better.

 

Walker/Thompson WINNER: Walker ------- Javon put up great numbers for a rookie WR.? 320 yds. 25 catches and a TD are great stats for a rookie and will get better this year.? Walker also has superior size at 6-3, 220lbs. and is worlds faster then Thompson as Walker runs a 4.23? 40yd. dash, one of the fastest in the NFL.

Walker is better? He dropped everyball last year and was considered widely as a dissapointment. You're right, 25 catches and 320yds, 1TD are great stats for a rookie, if you were undrafted. He was a first round pick, he should have been much better. McMichael, a 4th round rookie TE put up better numbers. And he runs a 4.38, not 4.23. Advantage Thompson. He is a more sure handed, physical receiver.

 

Offensive Line-

Mark Tauscher, Marco River, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, and Chad Clifton are all, All Pro type talents.? Case Closed.

 

Put the crack pipe down. Mark Tauscher is not all-pro talent. Neither are any of them really. They are not the best at their positions in the league and you do not have an o-line made up of 5 all-pro talents. Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

 

Better Offense: GREEN BAY easily.

 

But remember you guys have a far superior defense. :mischief ? :lol

 

Offense I would not say Green Bay is better. I think they are even overall. But if you want to compare defenses, you wont win one position probably, and I thought you said you were known as the town expert, more like the village idiot.

Franks is better the McMichael.? McMichael isn't a good blocker and doesnt nearly have the size that even your coaches would like.? Franks is 6-6, 270.? McMichael is 6-3, 250.? Randy is a good speed guy though.? Minus McMichael will NEVER be better then Franks.

He is a better blocker than Franks. Size isn't everything. Franks is known as a bad blocker, read the scouting reports!

 

Bubba has sure hands.? Great blocker.? Great size.? But no speed.? Franks isn't worlds better.? That was my bias getting in the way.? The only time my "bias" gets going is when someone makes an outrageous statement like the Fins will be in the "Top 5 in offense".

 

He has been known to drop a lot of easy passes, especially when he was a rookie, Favre had no confidence in him and wouldn't even look his way because of all the drops.

 

Henderson though is worlds better.? Henderson is the best blocking Full Back in the league and its a shame they don't have a statistic for linebackers leveled by FBs, cuz Henderson would hold the record.? Hendersons 20 catches, 150 yds, and 4-5 recieving TDs a year speak for themselves.? Henderson is the best recieving FB.? And Best Blocking.? PERIOD, no bias in that.? Henderson gets screwed every year because Alstott who is WAY, WAY, overrated.

Worlds better? HA! Lorenzo Neal is the best blocking back, not Henderson by the way and it is not even close, and Sam Gash is better too! Konrad is a very good blocker as well, and he is more athletic than Henderson. Henderson maybe a better blocker but Konrad has more athleticism and better hands to make up the difference. Depending on what you are looking for, they are very much as good as each other.

 

Tennessee does have a better offense.? McNair is better then Fiedler.? George isn't as good as Williams.? Wycheck and McMichael are about even.? And until Chambers puts up stats better then Dyson which would have to be about 1100 yds a year, Dyson is better, and the Titan O-Line is far better.

 

Yeah, you're right.....except for the fact that DYSON SIGNED WITH THE PANTHERS AND THEN TORE HIS ACL AND IS OUT FOR THE YEAR AND HAS NEVER PUT UP MORE THAN 850 YARDS IN ONE YEAR (460 LAST YEAR). Come on expert!

I've been named by 1 TV Station and 3 area newspapers as THE NFL EXPERT in my area.

- PHLUB

 

 

Cable Access and your Junior High Newspapers?

- PHLUB

 

 

Cable Access and your Junior High Newspapers?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

hahaha, yeah phlub seems to be way too wrapped up in his team.....we are just fans buddy, you arent super fan or anything

- Green left 4 games last year and missed 2.

 

- Franks is a better blocker. Are you guys reading his rookie scouting reports? Last year Franks was one of the premier blocking Tight Ends.

 

- Walker is not widely considered a dissapointment. Josh Reed a 2nd Round Pick for the Bills put up similar numbers as a #3 reciever and is considered a great pick. Walker is also considered a great pick, and for those who think Walkers been a farse at Camp this year. He has been quite the opposite. Favre has given him (Walker) more compliments and regard then any other player on the entire team, saying "I wouldn't be surprised if this kid was in the Pro Bowl at the end of the year, hes that good." Coming from Brett, I'll trust him before you.

 

- Tauscher and Clifton were 2 Time All Pro Alternates before both got hurt last year. Both are All Pro Type Talents, but I NEVER SAID, the best at their positions.

 

- Favre has said himself "Bubba was a dissappointing rookie. And had an okay 2nd year. But this year he had a great season, blocking, catching. Bubba became the total package." Terry Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson and even Packer Hater Mark Schlereth atest to that.

 

- Konrads Stats: Rush- 3 Carries, 2 yards, 0.7 avg, Long of 2 yds, 0 TD

Rec.- 34 rec., 233 yds., 6.9 avg., Long of 19 yds, 3 TD

 

- Henderson's Stats: Rush- 7 carries, 27 yards, 3.9 avg, Long of 10 yds, 1 TD

Rec.- 26 rec., 168 yards, 6.5 avg., Long of 19 yds, 3 TD

 

So Henderson is a better rusher, and Konrad slightly better reciever. Henderson is reknowned by anyone who knows football as the best blocking FB there is, period.

 

- Driver runs 4.22 forty yd. dash. .3 faster then Chambers.

 

- Do excuse me for missing Dyson going to Carolina. It was MASON who caught for 1000 yds. last year. (i often mix the 2 up)

 

- EVEN offenses overall? Whose the village idiot smoking the crack pipe now? Wow, EVEN offenses, the Packers have 5 Pro Bowlers on their offense from last year alone. (Favre, Green, Franks, Driver, Rivera) Henderson and Winters are also former Pro Bowlers. That makes 7 to Miamis how much Pro Bowlers (besides Williams) on offense?

 

- Darren Sharper is better then Brock Marion. Thats one matchup we have over you guys on Defense. Otherwise you guys basically own us in that department. But explain how the Packers had the 2nd Best Pass Defense last year and Miami had the 5th Best Pass Defense? (obviously Green Bays run D leaves much to be desired)

 

Sorry I'm not to wrapped up in my team. You guys are. Making the Fins out to be some invincible force with some high flying offense. Which is false. True your defense is one of the 3 best with the Bucs and Eagles. But what about Special Teams? I still think your offense only has Ricky Williams in a better matchup wise format.

 

You will all see just what side is right come December 30. Thats the only thing that will settle this debate.

You can't really say that Henderson is the better rushing FB (even though he is), seeing that Konrad got 3 carries.

 

And I'm sorry, but Miami has the better pass defense. I think Madison, Surtain, Marion, Knight (four pro bowlers) say it all...

But the fact that Konrad only got 3 carries shows that your coaches MAY NOT/MIGHT not have the faith in him to run the ball that say our coaches do with Henderson.

 

 

True. But I was just trying to make a point with the Pass D.

 

Sharper, McKenzie are both huge name players at their respective positions. And Harris and Anderson are good.

 

But 2 stars with Sharp and Mc is nothing to your 4 stars.

But the fact that Konrad only got 3 carries shows that your coaches MAY NOT/MIGHT not have the faith in him to run the ball that say our coaches do with Henderson.

Well, if the Marlins have no faith in Konrad with his three carries, same goes for Henderson and his 7 carries.

 

But that's not the case for either. They both just don't run because of two names.

 

Ricky Williams, Ahmed Green...

But that's not the case for either. They both just don't run because of two names.

 

Ricky Williams, Ahmed Green...

 

Man you don't deserve to talk football if you don't know that its AHMAN Green.

 

And answer this, Ahman is an Arab name, but he's a Christian.

Man you don't deserve to talk football if you don't know that its AHMAN Green.

 

And answer this, Ahman is an Arab name, but he's a Christian.

I've always spelled his name one or the other.

 

If you look nto past posts of mine, I bet you I've spelled it both Ahed and Ahman several times... :lol

Here's my assessment of the best and worst case scenarios for the Packers....

 

 

After a 12-3 start in 2002, the Packers Super Bowl run spun out of control as if they incurred three flat tires. A 42-17 loss to the Jets in the season finale forced the Packers to play in the wild-card week, where they lost to the Falcons at Lambeau, 27-7. Fans were stunned. Quarterback Brett Favre fumed so much he didn't meet with reporters after the game, a rarity.

 

Ushers in Lambeau who usually feel the pulse of the team,

predicted change. Cornerbacks Tyrone Williams and Tod McBride left for Atlanta. Vonnie Holliday signed with Arizona. Middle linebacker Hardy Nickerson retired. The one-year quick fix with Terry Glenn at wide receiver ended when he was traded to Dallas.

But the reality was the offense ran out of gas at the end. Ahman Green was playing at 60 percent because of a bruised knee. Wide receiver Donald Driver could barely play in the playoffs because of an ankle injury. Tackles Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher were on injured reserve. Have the Packers reloaded the right way for this year's potential 12-win season?

 

 

Best case:

 

If young receivers Javon Walker and Robert Ferguson come on as expected, they could help turn the three-receiver offense into one of the most potent 4,000-yard passing attacks in football. With Donald Driver, Walker and Ferguson, the Packers have an Olympic caliber high-jumper, a former baseball player with a 223-pound body and a more polished Ferguson who no longer looks as though he played only one year of major college football. All three are running in the 4.3-range.

Offensively, Favre should easily improve his yards per attempt of 7.1 last season. The offense should easily match the 28 points a game output of 2002, and perhaps even exceed that mark. Driver should have a 1,000-yard season, and halfback Ahman Green could put up 1,400 rushing yards if he stays healthy.

On defense, the best-case scenario is if Al Harris, acquired in a trade from Philadelphia where he played behind Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent, and Bryant Westbrook provide solid pass coverage replacing Williams and McBride. The Packers' defense is built to make sacks and create turnovers. They've been at the top of the league in those categories over the past three seasons. Last year, they had 43 sacks and forced 45 turnovers.

Everything would come together on defense if four new starters -- Harris, linebackers Nick Barnett and Hannibal Navies and fulltime defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila -- work together to better stop the run. Last year, the Packers allowed 4.8 yards per carry.

 

 

Worst case:

 

If Walker and Ferguson don't develop as expected in the three-receiver set, and if Favre can't open up the offense by consistently completing passes downfield, things could get ugly. Another potential problem is keeping big backup Najeh Davenport stay healthy so the Packers don't overuse Green and wear him out before the playoffs.

Keeping tackles Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher healthy also is critical. Clifton and Tauscher are coming off major injuries and finished the season on injured reserve. The Packers can't expect to succeed if they endure a second year in which they get down to their fifth offensive tackle. To survive a year ago, center Mike Flanigan moved from center to left tackle, and the Packers were down to an undrafted rookie at right tackle. The Packers offensive line isn't deep enough for major injuries.

Injuries could destroy the team along the defensive line, too. It was a little scary Tuesday seeing a starting defensive line in the afternoon practice that had Steve Martin, who was signed Sunday, and Aaron Kampman, a young defensive end, starting at defensive tackle. While end Joe Johnson practices only once a day coming off his biceps injury and Cletius Hunt missed practice with a stomach problem, that is still a little scary for this early in camp. They need to sign Gilbert Brown, who hasn't shown up yet to sign his minimal salary contract. The Packers must get better at stopping the run.

Green Bay is five to six games better than any team in its division, but if the Packers don't win 12 gmaes, they may not get a top-two seed, and that really hurts their chances of going to the Super Bowl.

- Green left 4 games last year and missed 2.

He either left late or came back in 3 of the 4 games, so the point is over.

 

- Franks is a better blocker. Are you guys reading his rookie scouting reports? Last year Franks was one of the premier blocking Tight Ends.

 

Oh really? This from your very own packersnews.com "

FLAWS: Doesn't run well after the catch. Hasn't been able to use his size and speed to create mismatches in the open field. More willing than able as a run blocker." Bubba isn't a great blocker!

 

- Walker is not widely considered a dissapointment. Josh Reed a 2nd Round Pick for the Bills put up similar numbers as a #3 reciever and is considered a great pick. Walker is also considered a great pick, and for those who think Walkers been a farse at Camp this year. He has been quite the opposite. Favre has given him (Walker) more compliments and regard then any other player on the entire team, saying "I wouldn't be surprised if this kid was in the Pro Bowl at the end of the year, hes that good." Coming from Brett, I'll trust him before you.

First of all, Reed was a 2nd round pick coming into a team with two established WRs in Moulds and Price. He was solid for his selection and expectations. Walker came into a team with no established leaders at WR and nobody who was really ever a starter before. He was supposed to come in and win a starting job, and in fact did not. He was widely considered a first year disappointment, not to say he won't be good in the future, but his rookie year was a disappointment!

 

- Tauscher and Clifton were 2 Time All Pro Alternates before both got hurt last year. Both are All Pro Type Talents, but I NEVER SAID, the best at their positions.

 

All-Pro and Pro-Bowl are two different things, get it straight NFL expert! They were PRO-BOWL alternates, and they are nothing special. If you are an alternate two years in a row, you don't impress me. Who cares about being an alternate? Make it to the game already!

 

- Dunn County News, The Chippewa Herald, and The Eau Claire Leader Telegram (the biggest newspaper in Western Wisconsin)

- WEAU TV 13 (NBC)

Lies, Lies, Lies and who cares? You haven't shown any expert ability here, maybe your village is full of morons?

 

- Favre has said himself "Bubba was a dissappointing rookie. And had an okay 2nd year. But this year he had a great season, blocking, catching. Bubba became the total package." Terry Bradshaw, Jimmy Johnson and even Packer Hater Mark Schlereth atest to that.

 

Don't give me what other people say about him, especially his teammates. He is good, but do you want to hear what people have said about McMichaels, including his teammates? No, so pipe down.

 

So Henderson is a better rusher, and Konrad slightly better reciever. Henderson is reknowned by anyone who knows football as the best blocking FB there is, period.

Because of their stats? Please....Konrad has more athleticism and better hands, Henderson is a better blocker but the difference in either isn't great enough to distinguish them. And Lorenzo Neal is a better blocker.

 

- Driver runs 4.22 forty yd. dash. .3 faster then Chambers.

 

No, Driver was clocked at 4.55. That is .23 slower than Chambers, here is the proof liar! Chamber's is faster than Driver!

 

- Darren Sharper is better then Brock Marion. Thats one matchup we have over you guys on Defense. Otherwise you guys basically own us in that department. But explain how the Packers had the 2nd Best Pass Defense last year and Miami had the 5th Best Pass Defense? (obviously Green Bays run D leaves much to be desired)

You explained it yourself, and Marion and Sharper, can't lose with either decision.

 

Sorry I'm not to wrapped up in my team. You guys are. Making the Fins out to be some invincible force with some high flying offense. Which is false. True your defense is one of the 3 best with the Bucs and Eagles. But what about Special Teams? I still think your offense only has Ricky Williams in a better matchup wise format.

 

ROFL! I haven't laughed like that in a while, thanks!