May 1, 200521 yr Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts.
May 1, 200521 yr Can someone lock this idiotic Area 51 conspiracy theory thread. It is just so pointless.
May 1, 200521 yr Author Can someone lock this idiotic Area 51 conspiracy theory thread. It is just so pointless. 760578[/snapback] he guy just b/c you I differ on our passion there's no need start with the name calling. and no its not pointless
May 1, 200521 yr Author Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY?
May 1, 200521 yr Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY? 760584[/snapback] First of all, you hypocrite, didn't you just say that there's no need to start name calling. I'm not a Huizenga apologist, or a PR man, I'm simply saying your argument borders on inane considering you have zero facts, but as you so "eloquently" put it: just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true . Well, I have a fact, Jeff Atwater gets big time donations from Huizenga, I know because I've met Huizenga with Senator Atwater (who happens to be a good friend of my family) yet Senator Atwater is in favor of this proposal, and if this guy (who represents the all important Broward/Palm Beach county demographic) is in Huizenga's contribution camp, and his (Huizenga's) treacherous tentacles reach so far, why hasn't he killed support in the region this affects among people on his "payroll." Secondly, Huizenga never said that he would let them back, there is speculation that with Wayne building the "sports world" next to the stadium, it would benefit both him and the Marlins to negotiate an amenable lease so the Sports world would only go unused in the months of February and March, the presence of the Marlins gives the restaurants/hotels/stores an almost year round "tenant." Huizenga never said he'd let them back, a lot of this hinges on the proposed "permanent" SuperBowl sites. Thirdly, you've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling a marginally put together fact. When ever something goes wrong you run to blame Wayne, but last year, Wayne didn't kill the proposal, it was the bungling of Samson who went up there guns and mouth a blazing without so much as a blueprint for the proposed stadium...he simply put his hand out and expected to find it filled. This year, if the bill does in fact fail, it will be because it reeks of too much pork. Hypocritical considering the two biggest opponents represent districts with professional sports franchises who have received state help (the Bucs, Lightning, DRays and Jags), but not unwarranted considering people don't want to see their tax dollars go to a district other than their own. I'm not trying to defend Wayne, I beg someone to prove me wrong with a fact (since Teal Shadow has proven, through his responses, that he can't), but until then, this is just poor planning on the part of the Marlins, knowing that they're fighting an uphill battle, yet they don't change their plan dramatically.
May 1, 200521 yr i like the dolphins for the same reason i like the marlins: bc they play in the city i live in i couldnt give a s*** who the owner of the fins is, i just like watching them play
May 1, 200521 yr Author Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY? 760584[/snapback] First of all, you hypocrite, didn't you just say that there's no need to start name calling. I'm not a Huizenga apologist, or a PR man, I'm simply saying your argument borders on inane considering you have zero facts, but as you so "eloquently" put it: just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true . Well, I have a fact, Jeff Atwater gets big time donations from Huizenga, I know because I've met Huizenga with Senator Atwater (who happens to be a good friend of my family) yet Senator Atwater is in favor of this proposal, and if this guy (who represents the all important Broward/Palm Beach county demographic) is in Huizenga's contribution camp, and his (Huizenga's) treacherous tentacles reach so far, why hasn't he killed support in the region this affects among people on his "payroll." Secondly, Huizenga never said that he would let them back, there is speculation that with Wayne building the "sports world" next to the stadium, it would benefit both him and the Marlins to negotiate an amenable lease so the Sports world would only go unused in the months of February and March, the presence of the Marlins gives the restaurants/hotels/stores an almost year round "tenant." Huizenga never said he'd let them back, a lot of this hinges on the proposed "permanent" SuperBowl sites. Thirdly, you've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling a marginally put together fact. When ever something goes wrong you run to blame Wayne, but last year, Wayne didn't kill the proposal, it was the bungling of Samson who went up there guns and mouth a blazing without so much as a blueprint for the proposed stadium...he simply put his hand out and expected to find it filled. This year, if the bill does in fact fail, it will be because it reeks of too much pork. Hypocritical considering the two biggest opponents represent districts with professional sports franchises who have received state help (the Bucs, Lightning, DRays and Jags), but not unwarranted considering people don't want to see their tax dollars go to a district other than their own. I'm not trying to defend Wayne, I beg someone to prove me wrong with a fact (since Teal Shadow has proven, through his responses, that he can't), but until then, this is just poor planning on the part of the Marlins, knowing that they're fighting an uphill battle, yet they don't change their plan dramatically. 760589[/snapback] Well here what Marlins2003 posted back last year May 11 of 03' I will defer inside info as how much Wayne has done to him, but its out there. http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...topic=18918&hl=
May 1, 200521 yr Can someone lock this idiotic Area 51 conspiracy theory thread. It is just so pointless. 760578[/snapback] he guy just b/c you I differ on our passion there's no need start with the name calling. and no its not pointless 760580[/snapback] A) I was naming the thread. Nowhere in that passage did I make a reference to you specifically. B) If you are saying we differ on our passions and are hinting at the fact that I am not passionate about the Marlins, you are sadly mistaken sir, as usual. I am just a realist and in this great country of America, I am using my rights to enjoy the ability to support two different teams from two different sports in my own city. Sorry you can not feel the same way, but do not downgrade, belittle and degrade others for doing so.
May 1, 200521 yr Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY? 760584[/snapback] First of all, you hypocrite, didn't you just say that there's no need to start name calling. I'm not a Huizenga apologist, or a PR man, I'm simply saying your argument borders on inane considering you have zero facts, but as you so "eloquently" put it: just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true . Well, I have a fact, Jeff Atwater gets big time donations from Huizenga, I know because I've met Huizenga with Senator Atwater (who happens to be a good friend of my family) yet Senator Atwater is in favor of this proposal, and if this guy (who represents the all important Broward/Palm Beach county demographic) is in Huizenga's contribution camp, and his (Huizenga's) treacherous tentacles reach so far, why hasn't he killed support in the region this affects among people on his "payroll." Secondly, Huizenga never said that he would let them back, there is speculation that with Wayne building the "sports world" next to the stadium, it would benefit both him and the Marlins to negotiate an amenable lease so the Sports world would only go unused in the months of February and March, the presence of the Marlins gives the restaurants/hotels/stores an almost year round "tenant." Huizenga never said he'd let them back, a lot of this hinges on the proposed "permanent" SuperBowl sites. Thirdly, you've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling a marginally put together fact. When ever something goes wrong you run to blame Wayne, but last year, Wayne didn't kill the proposal, it was the bungling of Samson who went up there guns and mouth a blazing without so much as a blueprint for the proposed stadium...he simply put his hand out and expected to find it filled. This year, if the bill does in fact fail, it will be because it reeks of too much pork. Hypocritical considering the two biggest opponents represent districts with professional sports franchises who have received state help (the Bucs, Lightning, DRays and Jags), but not unwarranted considering people don't want to see their tax dollars go to a district other than their own. I'm not trying to defend Wayne, I beg someone to prove me wrong with a fact (since Teal Shadow has proven, through his responses, that he can't), but until then, this is just poor planning on the part of the Marlins, knowing that they're fighting an uphill battle, yet they don't change their plan dramatically. 760589[/snapback] Well here what Marlins2003 posted back last year May 11 of 03' I will defer inside info as how much Wayne has done to him, but its out there. http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...topic=18918&hl= 760606[/snapback] As for Huizenga Holdings - the county mgr said there had been conversations with HH (Huizenga Holdings, the entity which controls the stadium) regarding PPS (the implication being that the county wanted to buy PPS and roof it for both sports) and land surrounding PPS and they were rebuffed. Samson said he tried to work with HH on rent and he was told no. He asked about softening the lease terms on what he referred to as "exclusives", things totally in HH's control - parking rates and this year's increase, signage revenue sharing, corporate sales (HH refused to allow them to try and sell advertising, marketing tie-ins, corporate sponsorships, seating, to a laundry list of large corporate accounts that the Dolphins do business with and want to keep exclusively). Samson said, on the record that at every turn HH said "no" (he said the word "no" in a disparaging way, to deliver the message that the HH guys were dismissive at every turn). The only thing the HH guys would say is "we want you out of here". (my comment - what they really wanted was the Marlins out of South Florida.) This is almost a year old. The old proposition is dead, but it wasn't even definitively met with Huizenga's opposition, all it was, at the time, was a demand that the team leave the stadium. Now, a year later, Wayne has decided that he's going to build a sports mega-complex next to the stadium, the Dolphins would only be there August-January (with the potential for a SuperBowl), but the Marlins' presence would lend to a tenant being in the stadium from April-January, so you can assume his stance has softened dramatically (my, what a year does), and I've yet to see how this proves Huizenga is pulling strings in the Senate with a Senator from North Central Florida (Lee), yet he refuses to pull strings with a Senator from South Florida. Even Marlins2003 simply speculated that the comment was construed to mean that the Marlins were wanted out of South Florida, and remember, this is a paraphrased recount of David Samson, and if there ever was a man prone to hyperbole, it's Samson. Try again.
May 1, 200521 yr TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act.
May 1, 200521 yr Author Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY? 760584[/snapback] First of all, you hypocrite, didn't you just say that there's no need to start name calling. I'm not a Huizenga apologist, or a PR man, I'm simply saying your argument borders on inane considering you have zero facts, but as you so "eloquently" put it: just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true . Well, I have a fact, Jeff Atwater gets big time donations from Huizenga, I know because I've met Huizenga with Senator Atwater (who happens to be a good friend of my family) yet Senator Atwater is in favor of this proposal, and if this guy (who represents the all important Broward/Palm Beach county demographic) is in Huizenga's contribution camp, and his (Huizenga's) treacherous tentacles reach so far, why hasn't he killed support in the region this affects among people on his "payroll." Secondly, Huizenga never said that he would let them back, there is speculation that with Wayne building the "sports world" next to the stadium, it would benefit both him and the Marlins to negotiate an amenable lease so the Sports world would only go unused in the months of February and March, the presence of the Marlins gives the restaurants/hotels/stores an almost year round "tenant." Huizenga never said he'd let them back, a lot of this hinges on the proposed "permanent" SuperBowl sites. Thirdly, you've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling a marginally put together fact. When ever something goes wrong you run to blame Wayne, but last year, Wayne didn't kill the proposal, it was the bungling of Samson who went up there guns and mouth a blazing without so much as a blueprint for the proposed stadium...he simply put his hand out and expected to find it filled. This year, if the bill does in fact fail, it will be because it reeks of too much pork. Hypocritical considering the two biggest opponents represent districts with professional sports franchises who have received state help (the Bucs, Lightning, DRays and Jags), but not unwarranted considering people don't want to see their tax dollars go to a district other than their own. I'm not trying to defend Wayne, I beg someone to prove me wrong with a fact (since Teal Shadow has proven, through his responses, that he can't), but until then, this is just poor planning on the part of the Marlins, knowing that they're fighting an uphill battle, yet they don't change their plan dramatically. 760589[/snapback] Well here what Marlins2003 posted back last year May 11 of 03' I will defer inside info as how much Wayne has done to him, but its out there. http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...topic=18918&hl= 760606[/snapback] As for Huizenga Holdings - the county mgr said there had been conversations with HH (Huizenga Holdings, the entity which controls the stadium) regarding PPS (the implication being that the county wanted to buy PPS and roof it for both sports) and land surrounding PPS and they were rebuffed. Samson said he tried to work with HH on rent and he was told no. He asked about softening the lease terms on what he referred to as "exclusives", things totally in HH's control - parking rates and this year's increase, signage revenue sharing, corporate sales (HH refused to allow them to try and sell advertising, marketing tie-ins, corporate sponsorships, seating, to a laundry list of large corporate accounts that the Dolphins do business with and want to keep exclusively). Samson said, on the record that at every turn HH said "no" (he said the word "no" in a disparaging way, to deliver the message that the HH guys were dismissive at every turn). The only thing the HH guys would say is "we want you out of here". (my comment - what they really wanted was the Marlins out of South Florida.) This is almost a year old. The old proposition is dead, but it wasn't even definitively met with Huizenga's opposition, all it was, at the time, was a demand that the team leave the stadium. Now, a year later, Wayne has decided that he's going to build a sports mega-complex next to the stadium, the Dolphins would only be there August-January (with the potential for a SuperBowl), but the Marlins' presence would lend to a tenant being in the stadium from April-January, so you can assume his stance has softened dramatically (my, what a year does), and I've yet to see how this proves Huizenga is pulling strings in the Senate with a Senator from North Central Florida (Lee), yet he refuses to pull strings with a Senator from South Florida. Even Marlins2003 simply speculated that the comment was construed to mean that the Marlins were wanted out of South Florida, and remember, this is a paraphrased recount of David Samson, and if there ever was a man prone to hyperbole, it's Samson. Try again. 760610[/snapback] So he wanted them out back then and now he wants them to stay?....I thought you said he never said that...which is? and of course what Wayne does behind the scene is not going to be made public. You think he wants that out in the press? Hey like I said you have you beliefs and I have mine. I know one thing there won't be a dry eye at the Huizenga household when this stadium deal fall through. And by the looks of it that makes alot of you very happy. Thats sad
May 1, 200521 yr Author TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation.
May 1, 200521 yr TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not.
May 1, 200521 yr Hell, I remember not too long ago that Teal Shadow was trying to tell us he wanted the Marlins out of the state all together, now it's he wants the Marlins to stay at Pro Player so he has more money for the Dolphins...which is it? I'd really appreciate someone proving me wrong with factual evidence, not oddly written metaphors or simply calling me a :censored . I'm not even saying I'm right, I'm just saying I see no reason to give all of this to Wayne, especially with my knowledge of what's been going on. 760568[/snapback] What? when have I said I wanted the Marlins out of the state.You must have me mistaken for someone else. Staying at the Pro? Why would I want them to stay to keep lining that man's pockets...sorry your confused 760573[/snapback] By he, I was referring to Huizenga, I'd never give you credit for doing anything meaningful for the location of the franchise. And, edcanes, we've gone back and forth on this issue heavily once before, I'm beyond positive it was you that I had the back and forth with. You've had a vendetta against Wayne for a long time. I'm not trying to defend him, but your conspiracy theory lacks a little something called facts. 760574[/snapback] just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true let me ask you this Mr Huizenga PR man why did Wayne say in the spring that he was kicking the Marlins out in 2010 and now with them on the brink of securing a new ballpark Senate leader come out and says Wayne told me that he won't kick them out WHY? 760584[/snapback] First of all, you hypocrite, didn't you just say that there's no need to start name calling. I'm not a Huizenga apologist, or a PR man, I'm simply saying your argument borders on inane considering you have zero facts, but as you so "eloquently" put it: just b/c he's covered he's tracks doesn't mean its not true . Well, I have a fact, Jeff Atwater gets big time donations from Huizenga, I know because I've met Huizenga with Senator Atwater (who happens to be a good friend of my family) yet Senator Atwater is in favor of this proposal, and if this guy (who represents the all important Broward/Palm Beach county demographic) is in Huizenga's contribution camp, and his (Huizenga's) treacherous tentacles reach so far, why hasn't he killed support in the region this affects among people on his "payroll." Secondly, Huizenga never said that he would let them back, there is speculation that with Wayne building the "sports world" next to the stadium, it would benefit both him and the Marlins to negotiate an amenable lease so the Sports world would only go unused in the months of February and March, the presence of the Marlins gives the restaurants/hotels/stores an almost year round "tenant." Huizenga never said he'd let them back, a lot of this hinges on the proposed "permanent" SuperBowl sites. Thirdly, you've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling a marginally put together fact. When ever something goes wrong you run to blame Wayne, but last year, Wayne didn't kill the proposal, it was the bungling of Samson who went up there guns and mouth a blazing without so much as a blueprint for the proposed stadium...he simply put his hand out and expected to find it filled. This year, if the bill does in fact fail, it will be because it reeks of too much pork. Hypocritical considering the two biggest opponents represent districts with professional sports franchises who have received state help (the Bucs, Lightning, DRays and Jags), but not unwarranted considering people don't want to see their tax dollars go to a district other than their own. I'm not trying to defend Wayne, I beg someone to prove me wrong with a fact (since Teal Shadow has proven, through his responses, that he can't), but until then, this is just poor planning on the part of the Marlins, knowing that they're fighting an uphill battle, yet they don't change their plan dramatically. 760589[/snapback] Well here what Marlins2003 posted back last year May 11 of 03' I will defer inside info as how much Wayne has done to him, but its out there. http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...topic=18918&hl= 760606[/snapback] As for Huizenga Holdings - the county mgr said there had been conversations with HH (Huizenga Holdings, the entity which controls the stadium) regarding PPS (the implication being that the county wanted to buy PPS and roof it for both sports) and land surrounding PPS and they were rebuffed. Samson said he tried to work with HH on rent and he was told no. He asked about softening the lease terms on what he referred to as "exclusives", things totally in HH's control - parking rates and this year's increase, signage revenue sharing, corporate sales (HH refused to allow them to try and sell advertising, marketing tie-ins, corporate sponsorships, seating, to a laundry list of large corporate accounts that the Dolphins do business with and want to keep exclusively). Samson said, on the record that at every turn HH said "no" (he said the word "no" in a disparaging way, to deliver the message that the HH guys were dismissive at every turn). The only thing the HH guys would say is "we want you out of here". (my comment - what they really wanted was the Marlins out of South Florida.) This is almost a year old. The old proposition is dead, but it wasn't even definitively met with Huizenga's opposition, all it was, at the time, was a demand that the team leave the stadium. Now, a year later, Wayne has decided that he's going to build a sports mega-complex next to the stadium, the Dolphins would only be there August-January (with the potential for a SuperBowl), but the Marlins' presence would lend to a tenant being in the stadium from April-January, so you can assume his stance has softened dramatically (my, what a year does), and I've yet to see how this proves Huizenga is pulling strings in the Senate with a Senator from North Central Florida (Lee), yet he refuses to pull strings with a Senator from South Florida. Even Marlins2003 simply speculated that the comment was construed to mean that the Marlins were wanted out of South Florida, and remember, this is a paraphrased recount of David Samson, and if there ever was a man prone to hyperbole, it's Samson. Try again. 760610[/snapback] So he wanted them out back then and now he wants them to stay?....I thought you said he never said that...which is? and of course what Wayne does behind the scene is not going to be made public. You think he wants that out in the press? Hey like I said you have you beliefs and I have mine. I know one thing there won't be a dry eye at the Huizenga household when this stadium deal fall through. And by the looks of it that makes alot of you very happy. Thats sad 760622[/snapback] Your poor sentence structure has stumped me...I don't know where you're going with it, but I never said that he wants them back, nor did you give me any evidence that he wanted them out. If you try reading my post, I said that I would speculate that in the even Wayne decides to go ahead with his sports world, it would make sense for him to have the Marlins there, but I never said he wanted them back definitively, not once. And your conspiracy theorist stuff is getting nauseating, sure he works behind the scenes, but as I've said, you can take it from me, a person whose campaign he has directly contributed to has not been contacted to vote against the proposal, and wouldn't it make sense to kill any support from Palm Beach/Broward county before trying to kill North and Central Florida's support for a regional issue? And this does not make me happy, it pisses me off that it seems any team that wants a stadium can get one, but a franchise that has been as successful as ours has to jump through hoops. I'm simply saying that I understand the way the political cookie crumbles, and its sad that the Marlins ownership group doesn't. They wanted the money last year, it didn't work, so all they did this year was send a blueprint and the city of Miami instead, they sure didn't help their cause asking for an amount of money roughly equal to the contract they gave their prize free agent aquisition this offseason. Yes, I understand it's a tax exemption and not a direct handout, but if they were so convinced that this franchise would become insolvent without a new stadium, don't you find it a little odd that they'd go get a first-baseman instead?
May 1, 200521 yr Author TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon
May 1, 200521 yr TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire.
May 2, 200521 yr Author TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire. 760633[/snapback] O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater wasn't approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back?
May 2, 200521 yr O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater was approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back? Now you are making things up. You are not a joke because you have a different opinion. However, when you force your opinion on others and then call them out and claim they are not Marlins fans because they won't stop being Dolphins fans and enjoy the games on Sunday at the stadium when season starts, that makes you a joke. Obviously you are choosing to be ignorant on the subject with Swift now, basically admitting defeat and showing that you know your back is to the wall. As for the end of the second paragraph and the third, go back and re-read Swift's posts, because I know you can not be that ignorant to misunderstand that much.
May 2, 200521 yr TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire. 760633[/snapback] O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater wasn't approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back? 760636[/snapback] I don't work for Atwater, I'm friends with him. And if we're talking about credibility here, edcanes, didn't we have a discussion a while ago about how your "inside" info is always casually vague enough that you never take a position on something. It's always a "the Marlins have contacted X about someone...the lines are burning :whistle ." The fact that you're assailing my credibility is laughable.
May 2, 200521 yr Author TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire. 760633[/snapback] O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater wasn't approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back? 760636[/snapback] I don't work for Atwater, I'm friends with him. And if we're talking about credibility here, edcanes, didn't we have a discussion a while ago about how your "inside" info is always casually vague enough that you never take a position on something. It's always a "the Marlins have contacted X about someone...the lines are burning :whistle ." The fact that you're assailing my credibility is laughable. 760639[/snapback] I've put my name behind everything I've posted as it refers to rumors and trades. And as I've stated before bring up something I was dead wrong in that area. I'm friends with Loria now go prove it ....anybody can say things like that. What about credibilty?why should I take what you say as fact? see my point no YOU questioning my credibility in my areas is laughable.
May 2, 200521 yr TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire. 760633[/snapback] O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater wasn't approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back? 760636[/snapback] I don't work for Atwater, I'm friends with him. And if we're talking about credibility here, edcanes, didn't we have a discussion a while ago about how your "inside" info is always casually vague enough that you never take a position on something. It's always a "the Marlins have contacted X about someone...the lines are burning :whistle ." The fact that you're assailing my credibility is laughable. 760639[/snapback] I've put my name behind everything I've posted as it refers to rumors and trades. And as I've stated before bring up something I was dead wrong in that area. I'm friends with Loria now go prove it ....anybody can say things like that. What about credibilty?why should I take what you say as fact? see my point no YOU questioning my credibility in my areas is laughable. 760643[/snapback] Because you're a person who posts a vague rumor, says "the lines are burning :whistle " and then refuses to give any more information saying that it jeopardizes your job. Look, if you don't want to believe me that I'm friends with Atwater, fine, but I have his cell phone number and house number sitting in my cell phone, and aside from putting those out here (which I won't do, it's his privacy) I don't know how else you'd like me to put it. I'm not the one running around shooting my mouth off about what's going on, but I live in Palm Beach, he represents Palm Beach and Broward counties. My family contributed heavily to his campaign. My mother is close friends with him and his sister Patty Unrue, and during his 2002 campaign, I met Wayne Huizenga at a fundraiser of Atwater's held at the River House in Ft. Lauderdale, and the restaurant is owned by another friend of ours, the Halmos family. Buddy, you're the one who's gimmick is sending a board of teenage girls into a frenzy with your vague postings about, well, nothing, and to top it all off, your grammar is so poor, it's hard to know exactly what you mean, and even when your intention is "clear" it's so intentionally vague that you can keep posting without pissing people off. And, if I remember correctly, you agreed heavily with JRHEmmi during the Delgado ordeal, and it's been proven that Hemmi was a fake.
May 2, 200521 yr Author TSwift just brutalized Teal Shadow. :owned 760599[/snapback] really...lol 760607[/snapback] Yes, really. He scored a 1st round KO. Give it up. You have no facts and your constant conspiracy theories and attempts to belittle others for supporting the Dolphins tied in with your constant bashing of Wayne has become a tired act. 760612[/snapback] No I'm not going to give it up...again you have your belief and I have mine. Thank you for your participation. 760624[/snapback] TSwift is providing facts, you're not. 760626[/snapback] what facts those are his opinions just b/c he doesn't believe it ...it makes it fact? comeon 760632[/snapback] I used to respect you. Now I question why I ever did. It is apparent that you have become a joke. Denying facts provided by others, making crazy claims and conspiracy theories, etc... Congratulations on dividing Marlins fans instead of unifying them, you must have succeeded in your original goal. Oh wait, or did it backfire. 760633[/snapback] O b/c I have a different opinion I'm a joke? OK ...unifying Marlins fans? what... I'm not running for anything. I have stated my opinion you can disagree or agree. What facts I'm denying that supposly Swift here works for Atwater? please even if what he says is true maybe Atwater wasn't approached its always easier to shot down something when you go and get that person that's holding the key. I've stated over and over again why did WH want them out back in the spring and now he wants them back? 760636[/snapback] I don't work for Atwater, I'm friends with him. And if we're talking about credibility here, edcanes, didn't we have a discussion a while ago about how your "inside" info is always casually vague enough that you never take a position on something. It's always a "the Marlins have contacted X about someone...the lines are burning :whistle ." The fact that you're assailing my credibility is laughable. 760639[/snapback] I've put my name behind everything I've posted as it refers to rumors and trades. And as I've stated before bring up something I was dead wrong in that area. I'm friends with Loria now go prove it ....anybody can say things like that. What about credibilty?why should I take what you say as fact? see my point no YOU questioning my credibility in my areas is laughable. 760643[/snapback] Because you're a person who posts a vague rumor, says "the lines are burning :whistle " and then refuses to give any more information saying that it jeopardizes your job. Look, if you don't want to believe me that I'm friends with Atwater, fine, but I have his cell phone number and house number sitting in my cell phone, and aside from putting those out here (which I won't do, it's his privacy) I don't know how else you'd like me to put it. I'm not the one running around shooting my mouth off about what's going on, but I live in Palm Beach, he represents Palm Beach and Broward counties. My family contributed heavily to his campaign. My mother is close friends with him and his sister Patty Unrue, and during his 2002 campaign, I met Wayne Huizenga at a fundraiser of Atwater's held at the River House in Ft. Lauderdale, and the restaurant is owned by another friend of ours, the Halmos family. Buddy, you're the one who's gimmick is sending a board of teenage girls into a frenzy with your vague postings about, well, nothing, and to top it all off, your grammar is so poor, it's hard to know exactly what you mean, and even when your intention is "clear" it's so intentionally vague that you can keep posting without pissing people off. And, if I remember correctly, you agreed heavily with JRHEmmi during the Delgado ordeal, and it's been proven that Hemmi was a fake. 760647[/snapback] Teenage girls where? anyways English is my second language, so excuse my grammer sometimes. I'm vague with some of my post b/c sometimes its third party info when I get. As i've explain in the past I'm not Beinfest nor do I work for the Marlins. I'm close to alot scouts and coaches. As you've seen in the past I have always praise those in the field. I've stop posting rumors b/c of that fact. People want to hear all the info or not hear it at all. So I've stop As for Hemmi comment, some of what he said had merit.I didn't know who he was I simple agree
May 2, 200521 yr Since you just pulled a Sammy Sosa and forgot English under pressure, here you go: http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...ic=36618&st=575 Whoever said its the wife, he's right....BUT A couple of months back Delgado, Beltran and other famous people got together for a modeling show(they were involved) in PR. Delgado and Beltran were talkin after the show about playing together. So this could be him owning it to his friend to at least listen to the Mets...just a thought There is no wife :plain ...we found that out later. Also I don't know if this has been brought up, but if this deal with Delgado does through. More moves could be on the horizon....trades Yup, we sure did a ton of dealing after Delgado. AND WAIT A MINUTE, I thought you claimed you did work for the Marlins, claiming that the picture in your avatar was your ring. Something's fishy...
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