Posted May 4, 200520 yr OK, instead of creating lists of "most hated" or "most adorable" Marlins players for the last decade, let me add a topic for good old fashoned rumor talk and debate about trade possibilities. There is a rumor that the Devil Rays are shopping Danys Baez for some power. I think it would be a nice idea if we trade some of the potential power never to be realized we have in the minors (cough... Dillon, cough... Stokes), for a back end reliever like Baez who is a good closer pitching for a team who is not going to give him good oportunities to close. With Mota in the DL, Alfonseca in the DL, Jones pretending to be a closer (come on, who is he kidding?), and the perennial showcase of minor league journeymen (Crowell, Travis Smith et. al.) that we are seeing, we need a better and younger arm. When Mota is back he will have to pitch really good to win his job back. There is nothing like some competition for people to step up. So, what do you guys think? And, please, don't give me the old reply about how good Stokes and Dillon are going to be in 2 or 3 years when they are both in the mid 30's, ok... Attached, I am including the link, and the article. IS BAEZ TRADE BAIT?: Danys Baez has heard the rumors that teams such as the Cubs, Rangers, Giants and perhaps Cardinals are interested. The Rays closer said it is not a distraction, but with with homes in Bradenton and Miami and his parents here from Cuba, he is in no hurry to leave. "I would love to re-sign here for three or four years," he said. "I know we're going to be fine. I know we're going to have a good team." "I hope Danys Baez is here for years," LaMar said. "For the money we're paying him, he's as good a closer as there is in major-league baseball." LaMar said he is not shopping Baez. Speaking generally, he said, "We're not in a situation to have an untouchable player. If a team wants to come to us and make an offer on that type of player, we'd listen."
May 4, 200520 yr Doesnt LaMar say they are not shopping Baez? Anyway he would probably cost an arm and a leg right now and I dont think the bullpen is in complete shambles yet
May 4, 200520 yr Author Doesnt LaMar say they are not shopping Baez? Anyway he would probably cost an arm and a leg right now and I dont think the bullpen is in complete shambles yet 762791[/snapback] There is an article before that where Piniellas is quoted as looking for power hitters in a trade. Baez was mentioned several times since he is a good closer with no possibilities for save opportunities in a bad team. He was mentioned as trade bait. I can't find the link to the article, but if I do I will post it.
May 4, 200520 yr :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes. They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate: would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help. Low supply, high demand...
May 4, 200520 yr Author Found the link, click here for the article. Also, Steve Karsay was designated for assignment by the Yankees.
May 4, 200520 yr They want a power hitter, so let's give them Delgado or Cabrera. If one isn't enough, let's trade them both. Our bullpen is in shambles. :plain
May 4, 200520 yr Found the link, click here for the article. Also, Steve Karsay was designated for assignment by the Yankees. 762801[/snapback] I'd take a flier on Karsay, but the teams lining up for him will be long considering he's at least an above average arm that could be had for the minimum...
May 4, 200520 yr Author :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes. They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate: would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help. Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would!
May 4, 200520 yr Oh, and that meeting did nothing, here's an article where they say they're standing pat: ST. PETERSBURG - Nothing came of a meeting Monday between Devil Rays manager Lou Piniella and General Manager Chuck LaMar, who both down- played the significance of the meeting in the first place. ``We just talked about the ballclub. That's all. Nothing special,'' Piniella said. ``Just talked about the team and how we can possibly improve. That was it. More of a conversation about how things have gone and what we can do.'' ``It was just a normal meeting that we would have after any road trip that I was not on,'' LaMar said. ``I know it made print, but it shouldn't have. It was just a normal baseball meeting between a general manager and a manager and how we can get better.'' Although several teams (Giants, Cubs, Rangers) are actively looking to improve their bullpens, LaMar said he has not had substantive trade talks regarding closer Danys Baez. LaMar didn't dismiss the possibility of a deal before the more traditionally active trade period (June-July) but said it was unlikely any trades would be made before then. Although neither Piniella nor LaMar went into detail about what was discussed, they both reported the substance of the meeting was that the Rays would have to make do with what they have in the organization for the time being. ``We're going to get it done with the people we have here,'' Piniella said. ``We don't have too many ways to go. ... We've just got to get better with what we're doing.'' Link
May 4, 200520 yr :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes. They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate: would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help. Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] You're willing to give up the most polished hitter in our organization and a pretty darn good when healthy 1st baseman just for another reliever?
May 4, 200520 yr Author They want a power hitter, so let's give them Delgado or Cabrera. If one isn't enough, let's trade them both. Our bullpen is in shambles. :plain 762802[/snapback] Are you serious? :blink:
May 4, 200520 yr :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes.? They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate:? would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez?? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help.? Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] See, you missed the point, Stokes and Willingham won't get the job done. First base prospects, in general, don't have the value they used to, especially to teams loaded with young position players (because the odd man out will just play first). The Phillies' Ryan Howard is light years ahead of Stokes as far as being "major league ready" goes, but the Phillies couldn't get anyone willing to give them something substantive for him last year at the deadline, and he's still a Phillie. It will take at least Olsen to get Baez, possibly Olsen and Willingham...a price I think the Marlins balk at. Also, and this is just my opinion, Willingham will only be dealt to the A's because they'll overvalue his OBP and OPS numbers. Perhaps Dotel is a more realistic option...
May 4, 200520 yr Author :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes.? They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate:? would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez?? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help.? Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] You're willing to give up the most polished hitter in our organization and a pretty darn good when healthy 1st baseman just for another reliever? 762807[/snapback] Please, tell me, who is the most polished hitter in our organization and why isn't he playing in the big league team? When is that darn good 1st baseman you say going to play for this team with Delgado signed for the next 4 years? please... :banghead
May 4, 200520 yr :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes.? They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate:? would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez?? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help.? Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] You're willing to give up the most polished hitter in our organization and a pretty darn good when healthy 1st baseman just for another reliever? 762807[/snapback] Please, tell me, who is the most polished hitter in our organization and why isn't he playing in the big league team? When is that darn good 1st baseman you say going to play for this team with Delgado signed for the next 4 years? please... :banghead 762814[/snapback] Just because they're blocked doesn't mean you give them away for less than their value... Packaging those two together should at least put you in the running for a solid middle of the rotation pitcher. (Zito?)
May 4, 200520 yr Author :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes.? They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate:? would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez?? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help.? Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] See, you missed the point, Stokes and Willingham won't get the job done. First base prospects, in general, don't have the value they used to, especially to teams loaded with young position players (because the odd man out will just play first). The Phillies' Ryan Howard is light years ahead of Stokes as far as being "major league ready" goes, but the Phillies couldn't get anyone willing to give them something substantive for him last year at the deadline, and he's still a Phillie. It will take at least Olsen to get Baez, possibly Olsen and Willingham...a price I think the Marlins balk at. Also, and this is just my opinion, Willingham will only be dealt to the A's because they'll overvalue his OBP and OPS numbers. Perhaps Dotel is a more realistic option... 762812[/snapback] Granted. Just doing player permutations in here. Haven't heard anything on Dotel's availability. I guess it's a question of how long can we survive with our often injured bullpen :confused
May 4, 200520 yr Dillon and Stokes for Huff :gitrdun: 762820[/snapback] :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
May 4, 200520 yr :lol The D-Rays would never give us Baez for Dillon (a non-prospect) and Stokes. They have such a loaded farm system as far as position players goes (Upton, Young, Gathright) that there is no need for them to get any more position players through trade. Besides, the Rangers have inquired about Baez and they were told (reportedly) that it would take John Danks (the #2 prospect in the Rangers' system, and a 19 year old lefty with huge upside), so I doubt they'd settle to take our underachievers and non-prospects. Here's the question that I think is more appropriate: would you trade Olsen and possibly Willingham for Baez? I don't think I would, don't know about anyone else. The price for a reliever (especially a proven ninth inning guy like Baez) is going to be extremely high when you consider that the projected guys available are Dotel, Baez, and possibly Urbina and Wagner, and the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, Mets, Cubs, Cardinals, Rangers and Marlins area looking for help. Low supply, high demand... 762796[/snapback] You are right on Dillon, but Stokes has always had a high-ceiling profile. I don't think he will ever become anything of the player that has been advertised. Besides, we have Delgado for the next 4 years and maybe more. Willingham is the same story, the catcher position is taken by LoDuca. Don't know much about Olsen. But I would consider Willingham and Stokes for Baez, you bet I would! 762805[/snapback] You're willing to give up the most polished hitter in our organization and a pretty darn good when healthy 1st baseman just for another reliever? 762807[/snapback] Please, tell me, who is the most polished hitter in our organization and why isn't he playing in the big league team? When is that darn good 1st baseman you say going to play for this team with Delgado signed for the next 4 years? please... :banghead 762814[/snapback] Willingham is blocked by the $4mil man in RF, Delgado at 1st, Lowell at 3rd and Cabs in LF, not to mention Lo Duca behind the plate. His bat is more than ready though. As for Stokes, let him build up his worth, no reason to move him as a "throw in" for a reliever
May 4, 200520 yr No need to give away the farm for someone lie Beaz. Mota will be back in three weeks, Valdez and Spooney in a month. With Mecir, Jones and Bump there's a decent core to work off of.
May 4, 200520 yr I think the Rays are going to want proven power hitters right away. I mean there is a chance they could finsih on top of the Yankees. I know the Marlins are not ready to give up anybody in this line-up. Power wise. We should not even think about trying to get Baez. i know that stokes and dillon are good very good ball players but do they have a track record in the Majors. Look at Yadier Molina Catcher St Louis awesome minor league ball player last year filled in for Mike at catcher during the playoffs did great. so this year they give him starting job. He cannot even handle it is hitting like .100 for the season. D rays might suck but they are not stupid.
May 4, 200520 yr I think the Rays are going to want proven power hitters right away. I mean there is a chance they could finsih on top of the Yankees. I know the Marlins are not ready to give up anybody in this line-up. Power wise. We should not even think about trying to get Baez. i know that stokes and dillon are good very good ball players but do they have a track record in the Majors. Look at Yadier Molina Catcher St Louis awesome minor league ball player last year filled in for Mike at catcher during the playoffs did great. so this year they give him starting job. He cannot even handle it is hitting like .100 for the season. D rays might suck but they are not stupid. 762885[/snapback] Molina is hitting .173 and he is in there more for his D, than his bat. He will come around. It's too small of a sample size to write him off already. He doesnt even have 100 at bats under his belt yet. Dillon is already 30, he isnt worth a bag of balls on the open market. And there is no realistic chance the Rays finish ahead of the Yankees.
May 4, 200520 yr I never said the Rays would finish over they Yanks just saying i bet they will try. Hey it could happen s*** the marlins were under .500 in the middle of the season and won the world series anything can happen right. As far as molina yeah i know he is in there for D but come on he needs to start hitting.
May 4, 200520 yr As far as molina yeah i know he is in there for D but come on he needs to start hitting. 762909[/snapback] 75 at bats.
May 4, 200520 yr AB H AVG V?ctor Mart?nez CLE 91 18 .198 Yadier Molina STL 75 13 .173 The two Youngsters. Yeah you are right about the 75 AB I mean i am routing for him to step it up because he is a great player just been struggling. I will bring this up at the All-Star break we can see where he is.
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