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I want to know why you think Bill Robinson should or shouldn't be fired.

 

Why blame him for the Marlins batters not hitting runs? Are our players dependent on a hitting coach for them to swing the bat and make contact with the ball?

 

I just don't see how in the world shaking up our coaching staff in that way will help our bats come alive. MLB players are not little leaguers and they know how to hit the ball.

 

 

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He is not the reason we are struggling, i stayed quiet about all this talk but its time to say it, if the hitters dont put into their part then why need a coach? Bill is not the answer, they are Major League hitters and know what they need to do in order to hit.

 

Adjustments...

 

also so if our bullpen was struggling why doesnt anyone say, "Lets fire Wiley"?

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Ask what is the purpose of the hitting coach?

 

All players and all teams slump. The good ones limit the number of slumps and their duration. The hitting coach helps the players with their approach and to identify and correct any flaws in their mechanics.

 

When good players go into slumps, and the adjustments made only get them further in trouble, then you have to ask whether the hitting coach has been making effective suggestions, or is just screwing them up by having them change their natural swing.

 

When a team has a solid BA, but is the bottom of the league producing runs, you have to ask whether the hitting coach is teaching them to handle these situations. Work the count when a pitcher is nibbling. Swing away when the pitcher is attacking. Shorten your swing and drive the ball opposite field. You don't necessarily sit there taking strikes and then swing for the fences each time.

 

It's all about approach, and it is clear the approach being taught is completely ineffective because it is not producing results.

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The offense has been garbage the last two years. I've had enough of this offense's s***. When the offense struggles for so long and our hitters look like s*** for so long you can only blame the hitting coach.

 

If they 'know what to do' then why the f*** do we bother having a hitting or pitching coach? Isn't that wasted money we could use to acquire better players?

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I'm just saying that in sports, the coaching staff often shoulders only the blame when the team does bad....

 

but when a team is on, the players get all the credit.

 

I don't think that's right, I think it's a cop out.

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To some degree you are right. But there are several standout coaches who are regularly recognized.

 

Take Perry Hill as an example. No doubt he is credited with Luis and Derek Lee winning their gold gloves. Alex has really blossomed under his tutelage. He also really helped Hee Seop Choi last year, and Carlos Delgado's defense has markedly improved this year.

 

Leo Mazzone of the Braves is credited with taking a mediocre group of pitchers and turning them into an over-performing staff each year.

 

Good coaches do get the credit when they are shown to get the most out of their players year in and year out.

 

When a team underperforms for a full year or more, then the coach must also shoulder the blame.

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i agree. this team's offense has consistently fallen below expectations for the past two seasons. when it happens that often for that long a period of time, you need to look at the coaching.

 

and as for coaching not getting credit when their players do well, isn't mark wiley getting serious credit this year for the starting pitching exceeding expectations this year?

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The offense has struggled for a long time now...

 

Perhaps the perspective of a new coach is required...Different philosophy, different approach... I remember a few years ago, the Mets struggled and they fired their hitting coach, and for awhile after that, they were scoring runs in bunches, and the hitters looked more confident

 

MY MAIN POINT FOR A NEW COACH: the wise words of Master Yoda..."Unlearn what you have learned..." Has B.R. gotten too much into these guys heads? I really believe a new perspective couldn't hurt...Anything that will make these guys "have fun" like they did 2 years ago

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One night, they are the most patient pitcher you can ever see. I think at one point, in the 5-4 win, they were very patient, they had the starting pitcher up to 45 in the frist 2 innings with only 1 hit, and forcing a walk.

 

But then, just like that, they are the most impatient hitters you will ever see. In the preceding night, the Mariners had 58 pitches in 5 innings allowing 4 hits and 1 walks. And in the first 4 innings, thier starter had 31 pitches.

 

I think it should be Bill Robinsons job as a hitting coach to make these guys more patient on a regular basis. Watching these guys come up and hit the first pitch, or second pitch is fusturating especially when there getting out. This even includes sacrafices.

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Don't know to put this, but figured the topic will eventually hit on this.

 

Some interesting offensive numbers.

 

PLAYER..... Overall.......... Empty/Zero...... Empty/OneorTwo.. ScoringPosition. 1B Only

Pierre..... 256/309/326 (215) 284/337/341 (88) 218/246/309 (55) 167/268/271 (48) 429/429/429 (21)
Cabrera.... 335/384/560 (209) 316/381/447 (38) 424/485/881 (59) 303/351/500 (66) 302/302/349 (43)
Delgado.... 320/412/586 (203) 382/462/559 (34) 316/409/658 (76) 255/358/418 (55) 343/425/600 (35)
Encarnacion 280/366/485 (200) 250/316/442 (52) 213/315/362 (47) 373/458/667 (51) 271/340/458 (48) 
Lowell..... 217/271/337 (184) 194/275/278 (36) 200/214/345 (55) 229/293/333 (48) 244/311/390 (41)
Gonzalez... 272/333/389 (180) 186/205/256 (43) 323/382/484 (62) 375/475/542 (48) 130/130/130 (23)
LoDuca..... 284/343/375 (176) 286/362/381 (42) 250/311/304 (56) 265/333/327 (49) 400/423/600 (25)
Castillo... 313/419/366 (131) 257/316/286 (35) 333/483/356 (45) 296/406/481 (27) 381/409/381 (21)
Easley..... 248/295/522 (113) 194/265/323 (31) 263/282/711 (38) 267/343/533 (30) 286/286/429 (14)
Conine..... 277/365/338 (65). 300/364/400 (10) 211/286/263 (19) 133/350/133 (15) 429/455/524 (21)

 

 

That's Batting Average / On Base Percentage / Slugging Percentage with at bats in parantheses. Take a gander at their on base percentage with none on base (with 0 out, the better). You want a good batting average with runners in scoring position and a combination of average and slugging with runners on first.

 

Put side by side like this you can see that the team is having no problem collecting hits with runners on base, but that:

A. those opportunities are coming few and far between because we've struggling to set the table

B. that they have been bit singles that advanced someone as far as a wild pitch or balk.

 

Conclusion? Pierre is killing us, and we need to be more patient early in innings.

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He is not the reason we are struggling, i stayed quiet about all this talk but its time to say it, if the hitters dont put into their part then why need a coach? Bill is not the answer, they are Major League hitters and know what they need to do in order to hit.

 

Adjustments...

 

also so if our bullpen was struggling why doesnt anyone say, "Lets fire Wiley"?

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That's because the bullpen was basically only struggling on the last road trip. Their ERA was very low for a long, long time. Even Bump's only went up the last week or so. We haven't been scoring many runs the whole season. We (I mean the Marlins) have had the same problem for the last two years. Even the year they won the WW Series, there were stretches of time when the didn't score runs. It must be very frustrating for the pitchers, both starters and relievers.

I also don't think it helps that Jack has a different line up every night.

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Coaching is a fundamental part of any sport. Coaches are there to help hitters adjust their swings when they see any flaws or habits. They are there to instruct the hitters on what to do in certain situations. If a team didn't have a hitting coach, then players would soon fall into a slump because they wouldn't be aware of things that they are doing wrong.

 

Under Bill Robinson, this team hasn't had a consistent offense. Coming into the season we were one of the most feared teams in baseball, with one of the biggest offensive onslaughts next to the Cardinals and etc.

 

However, we have repeatedly failed to drive in runs, and do fundamental things like driving balls to the opposite field, bunting, and taking a proper approach to journeymen relievers.

 

Mark Wiley has helped our pitching staff. We need someone to help our hitting desperately.

 

Fire Bill Robinson Now.

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