Posted June 20, 200519 yr Has anyone read this book? I think I'm gonna order it, but I wanted to know if anyone else had read it before I do. Thanks. Summary from amazon.com for anyone else interested. Editorial Reviews Book Description Stats vs. Scouts. Math vs. Makeup. Computers vs. Commuters. College vs. High-School. The debate is a new one in baseball, and it has recently taken on a life of its own. Ever since Michael Lewis? best-seller Moneyball arrived on the scene, and spurred by the recent World Series victory by the sabermetric advocate Boston Red Sox, the dispute about the best way to build a professional baseball team has raged out of control - until now. In this fascinating and insightful look into what criteria major and minor league baseball scouts use to determine talent, Scout?s Honor shines a bright light on the job done by ?old-school? scouts and their killer instincts. The author uses the success of the Atlanta Braves as the focal point for a mesmerizing investigation into the debate of stats versus scouts, and why, if it?s a successful franchise you?re after, there is no debate about the bravest way to build a winning team. "What makes Scout?s Honor so great is that it brings us into the world of those who determine successful big leaguers by looking into the future, not by looking back at spreadsheets and stats. Now that takes talent. ?Old-school? wins, literally. This book is a worthy foil to the Moneyballers." - Lyle Spencer, MLB.com "Finally, an entertaining book that validates the importance of scouting." - Pat Gillick, 2-time World Series Champion GM and Executuve of the Year.
June 20, 200519 yr Author Yes, because many teams with money have won 13 straight division championships. If money buys titles, how come the Mets haven't overtaken the Braves recently?
June 20, 200519 yr Yes, because many teams with money have won 13 straight division championships. If money buys titles, how come the Mets haven't overtaken the Braves recently? 817542[/snapback] Because idiots have been running their FO for the last 10 years. Anyway, I may have to check this out, sounds like a good read.
June 20, 200519 yr Author Yes, because many teams with money have won 13 straight division championships. If money buys titles, how come the Mets haven't overtaken the Braves recently? 817542[/snapback] Because idiots have been running their FO for the last 10 years. Anyway, I may have to check this out, sounds like a good read. 817554[/snapback] Yeah, I realize the Mets FO hasn't been anything to brag about. My point was that money doesn't necessarily equal success, and the Braves are obviously doing something right. To dismiss their accomplishment as being based solely on money, and not at least partly on good management, is ridiculous. The book looks like a good read, too.
June 20, 200519 yr Yeah, I realize the Mets FO hasn't been anything to brag about. My point was that money doesn't necessarily equal success, and the Braves are obviously doing something right. To dismiss their accomplishment as being based solely on money, and not at least partly on good management, is ridiculous. 817577[/snapback] I agree, I think an even bigger reason for the braves success than scouting, though, is that they develop their prospects in the minors better than any other team. They've got some good coaching at the minor league level.
June 20, 200519 yr Yes, because many teams with money have won 13 straight division championships. If money buys titles, how come the Mets haven't overtaken the Braves recently? 817542[/snapback] because the Braves are smart when it comes to aquiring players via trade or FA, and also have one of the best farm systems in the league.
June 20, 200519 yr The Braves in the 90's success is a lot like the Twins this decade. Development of hard throwing bullpen arms to go with solid starters, wise mid level free agent signings, and a lineup of professional hitters who hit when it counts.
June 20, 200519 yr Author Yes, because many teams with money have won 13 straight division championships. If money buys titles, how come the Mets haven't overtaken the Braves recently? 817542[/snapback] because the Braves are smart when it comes to aquiring players via trade or FA, and also have one of the best farm systems in the league. 817584[/snapback] Which is good management.
June 20, 200519 yr I'm not talking about their minor league system. I'm talking about their MLB players. Many small market teams have put successful teams on the field. But at some point these teams have to start trading away players because of the price. Great example are the A's. The Braves on the over hand have built most of their teams from the inside. BUT a big reason they have been good for this long is because they can afford to shellout cash when necessary to sign these guys to long term high $$$ contracts.
June 20, 200519 yr The Braves on the over hand have built most of their teams from the inside. BUTa big reason they have been good for this long is because they can afford to shellout cash when necessary to sign these guys to long term high $$$ contracts. 817594[/snapback] That's 100 percent right. They GOT good by developing their system and bringing it up like a mid market team would do, but they when payday came for the stars, they shelled out the dough to keep them around.
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