Did Jeter ever win a GG?

last year, his first

I thought so, but wasnt sure

GG are a joke, I cant believe this guy has one while Alex is still waiting for his first.

yup!

GG are a joke, I cant believe this guy has one while Alex is still waiting for his first.

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And they dont even play in the same league....so what does Jeter getting one before Gonzalez have to do with anything?

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

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Ummm...Tejada.

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

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Ummm...Tejada.

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You are absolutely clueless if you think Miggy is a good defensive shortstop. The best offensively, not good at all defensively.

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

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Ummm...Tejada.

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You are absolutely clueless if you think Miggy is a good defensive shortstop. The best offensively, not good at all defensively.

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Most of those errors are because of his range, not because he's a bad short-stop. He's got a vastly superior throwing arm.

 

You're just a biased Yankee fan. Jeter is not a gold glove deserving short-stop...he's living off that one catch that he fell into the stands after catching the ball; an overrated effort, not a gold-glove effort.

what were the top 3 AL SS fielding pct % last season? Jeter makes clutch plays, time and time again, he isn't a great ss, he can just be good, but the yanks need him obviously and the guy doesn't let the team down... again, the references to that dive after the catch... what is that suppose to mean? he wasn't looking to make the highlight reel, or the best catch of the year, he goes in with the mentality all players should have, to win, and at all costs. Derek has 4 rings, and they started winning as soon as he came up... you can say he isn't a good ss, but for somebody who has a signature defensive play and had not had a gold glove... he should have the one under his name

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

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Ummm...Tejada.

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You are absolutely clueless if you think Miggy is a good defensive shortstop. The best offensively, not good at all defensively.

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Most of those errors are because of his range, not because he's a bad short-stop. He's got a vastly superior throwing arm.

 

You're just a biased Yankee fan. Jeter is not a gold glove deserving short-stop...he's living off that one catch that he fell into the stands after catching the ball; an overrated effort, not a gold-glove effort.

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When did I ever say Derek Jeter was a good shortstop? Stop putting words in my mouth. He is average to below average. Unfortunately for the entire baseball world, last year every single shortstop in the AL was not very good at all defensively either. So they gave it to the biggest name with some of the best most notorious plays and who was also in the top 5 in fielding percentage.

 

It was a down year for defensive American League shortstops, too bad, because its unfortunate they had to give anyone such a prestigious award when no one deserved it.

 

But, I also notice you are so quick to start with the name calling and negative adjectives after putting words in my mouth. Grow up, child.

I don't think Jeter deserved it last year, but whatever.

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Name someone who did, the AL had a horrible crop of defensive SS last year.

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Ummm...Tejada.

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You are absolutely clueless if you think Miggy is a good defensive shortstop. The best offensively, not good at all defensively.

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Most of those errors are because of his range, not because he's a bad short-stop. He's got a vastly superior throwing arm.

 

You're just a biased Yankee fan. Jeter is not a gold glove deserving short-stop...he's living off that one catch that he fell into the stands after catching the ball; an overrated effort, not a gold-glove effort.

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When did I ever say Derek Jeter was a good shortstop? Stop putting words in my mouth. He is average to below average. Unfortunately for the entire baseball world, last year every single shortstop in the AL was not very good at all defensively either. So they gave it to the biggest name with some of the best most notorious plays and who was also in the top 5 in fielding percentage.

 

It was a down year for defensive American League shortstops, too bad, because its unfortunate they had to give anyone such a prestigious award when no one deserved it.

 

But, I also notice you are so quick to start with the name calling and negative adjectives after putting words in my mouth. Grow up, child.

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Since this is getting retarded, when in my post, that reads:

 

Most of those errors are because of his range, not because he's a bad short-stop.? He's got a vastly superior throwing arm.

 

You're just a biased Yankee fan.? Jeter is not a gold glove deserving short-stop...he's living off that one catch that he fell into the stands after catching the ball; an overrated effort, not a gold-glove effort.

 

Did I put words in your mouth that "Derek Jeter is a good short-stop."

 

Hell, I don't think the post even includes the word good, or even the words good and Derek Jeter in the same sentence. Facts, children, facts.

 

And since when is calling you "biased" (which you clearly are) such an egregious act of name-calling?

Did I put words in your mouth that "Derek Jeter is a good short-stop."

 

Hell, I don't think the post even includes the word good, or even the words good and Derek Jeter in the same sentence. Facts, children, facts.

 

And since when is calling you "biased" (which you clearly are) such an egregious act of name-calling?

 

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Then where am I being biased? Ask anyone with any knowledge of American league baseball and they will tell you that there were no qualified candidates last year. Everyone sucked, they just gave it to one of the guys who sucked the least and made some big plays. I understand you're angry that the NL was loaded with great candidates and your teams guy didn't get it, but the NL and AL are polar opposites when it comes to good shortstop play.

 

What's so wrong with that? What's so biased about that? It appears you are looking for a fight, cut the crap. Exclaiming I'm biased because you have no counter-argument and can't answer my "Who deserved it more?" question is highly immature. As I said, grow up.

Even this Red Sox fan cant think of anyone who deserved it over #2....

Did I put words in your mouth that "Derek Jeter is a good short-stop."

 

Hell, I don't think the post even includes the word good, or even the words good and Derek Jeter in the same sentence. Facts, children, facts.

 

And since when is calling you "biased" (which you clearly are) such an egregious act of name-calling?

 

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Then where am I being biased? Ask anyone with any knowledge of American league baseball and they will tell you that there were no qualified candidates last year. Everyone sucked, they just gave it to one of the guys who sucked the least and made some big plays. I understand you're angry that the NL was loaded with great candidates and your teams guy didn't get it, but the NL and AL are polar opposites when it comes to good shortstop play.

 

What's so wrong with that? What's so biased about that? It appears you are looking for a fight, cut the crap. Exclaiming I'm biased because you have no counter-argument and can't answer my "Who deserved it more?" question is highly immature. As I said, grow up.

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I'm looking for a fight?

 

You're ridiculous. You made an outlandish claim, you still haven't defended your rather harsh insinuations about my initial reply. Since I have an opinion that differs with yours, I'm wrong in calling a Yankee fan who (admittedly) said his own guy was the beneficiary of a down year in the league biased? You still have yet to show that I put words in your mouth or did anything close to starting a fight. Sorry kid, get a clue.

Did I put words in your mouth that "Derek Jeter is a good short-stop."

 

Hell, I don't think the post even includes the word good, or even the words good and Derek Jeter in the same sentence.? Facts, children, facts.

 

And since when is calling you "biased" (which you clearly are) such an egregious act of name-calling?

 

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Then where am I being biased? Ask anyone with any knowledge of American league baseball and they will tell you that there were no qualified candidates last year. Everyone sucked, they just gave it to one of the guys who sucked the least and made some big plays. I understand you're angry that the NL was loaded with great candidates and your teams guy didn't get it, but the NL and AL are polar opposites when it comes to good shortstop play.

 

What's so wrong with that? What's so biased about that? It appears you are looking for a fight, cut the crap. Exclaiming I'm biased because you have no counter-argument and can't answer my "Who deserved it more?" question is highly immature. As I said, grow up.

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I'm looking for a fight?

 

You're ridiculous. You made an outlandish claim, you still haven't defended your rather harsh insinuations about my initial reply. Since I have an opinion that differs with yours, I'm wrong in calling a Yankee fan who (admittedly) said his own guy was the beneficiary of a down year in the league biased? You still have yet to show that I put words in your mouth or did anything close to starting a fight. Sorry kid, get a clue.

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You continue to ignore my questions and points and just call me names like the immature person that you are.

 

1.What outlandish claim did I make? That Jeter was the most deserving SS in the AL last year? Passion agrees, and what didn't you understand about my earlier posts?

 

2.I never said you were wrong that he isn't a GG shortstop. But did he "earn" the award last year? Under the circumstances, yes. But again, how is that being biased? Do you know what that means?

 

3. You put words in my mouth by claiming I said Derek Jeter is a gold glove short stop. In all technicality he is, but if he was placed in the NL he wouldn't even be in the top 6-7. He received an award and earned the award that year. Even Passion said it in the post above mine.

 

4. "Sorry kid, get a clue". Listen up you tough message board guy that you are, why do you continue to call me names? Really, GROW UP. Trying to combine attempted rational thought with name calling kills your credibility.

 

You are yet to prove my point wrong, that he was the most deserving SS in the AL during that season. This is what this started over, and you continue to try to get off track so you don't look like a clown.

And this is the last I say on this:

 

In 2004, Tejada played in all 162 games, making 24 errors and turning 118 DP's (an example of his arm strength). In contrast, Jeter played 154 games, making 13 errors and turning only 96 DP's.

 

However, according to baseball-reference.com, Jeter's range-factor was 4.32 (the league average for SS was 4.12). Tejada, however, had a vastly superior range factor of 4.88 (which could easily account for the extra errors). Not to mention Tejada dwarfed Jeter when it came to assists, 526 to 392.

 

Sorry, I just don't see how Jeter deserves it so much more than Tejada.

And this is the last I say on this:

 

In 2004, Tejada played in all 162 games, making 24 errors and turning 118 DP's (an example of his arm strength).? In contrast, Jeter played 154 games, making 13 errors and turning only 96 DP's.

 

However, according to baseball-reference.com, Jeter's range-factor was 4.32 (the league average for SS was 4.12).? Tejada, however, had a vastly superior range factor of 4.88 (which could easily account for the extra errors).? Not to mention Tejada dwarfed Jeter when it came to assists, 526 to 392.

 

Sorry, I just don't see how Jeter deserves it so much more than Tejada.

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First of all, you are putting words in my mouth AGAIN. I never said he deserves it "so much more". I said he was the most deserving based on his big plays, good fld. percentage and clutch play.

 

Second of all, you bring up some valid points. However, Tejada has approximately double the number of errors Jeter does, when the range factor is only seperated by less than .56. So what does all that do? Bring them to about even in my eyes. The range is clearly in Tejadas favor, the putouts are in Tejadas favor. Fielding percentage is clearly in Jeters favor. These three factors even out in my eyes (due to the adjusted fielding percentage being vastly in Jeters favor) and make Tejada and Jeter equal fielders. What puts Jeter over the top is his great, clutch plays from last year.

 

If you look at it another way, and want to put Jeter even further over the top - look at the teams records. Doesn't matter you say? Then why does it factor in MVP, Cy Young, and Fireman of the years? If you don't factor it in, fine, but it's just another selling point.

 

Also, sometimes you need to SEE the games to really make a true judgement. I can personally guarantee Passion and I saw more Yankee and Orioles games than you did last year. Miguel Tejada is an amazing offensive force, the best offensive SS in the game, but as Passion states - there was no one in the AL last year better than Derek Jeter, as sad as that is.

 

Now, what is so amazingly "biased" about that? I really would like to be enlightened. If you can't come up with anything, maybe next time you just need to not jump all over someone for having a differing opinion than you.

I know I said that was the last I'll say on the matter, but one more thing. I live in New York during the school year, I get the YES network and I go to Yankee Stadium quite a bit...so I've seen Jeter, and I've seen Tejada, and quite a bit of both. I just simply think that Tejada has better range, a stronger throwing arm, and the ability to make the spectacular play look seamless. Jeter makes the tough play look tougher because, well, I think he's a hot-dog much like Edmonds (go ahead, call me biased, I won't deny it).

 

Also, if a difference of .56 is negligible, their fielding percentage was only separated by .1 (.981 to .971). In all honesty, the numbers are there for Tejada, but Jeter had the one play that every one remembers...I just don't agree with that necessarily, but then again, Palmeiro won a Gold-Glove in '99 when he played a whopping 28 games at first-base (he won the silver slugger as a DH). So for me, this award really lost credibility a while ago.

I also forgot to add in the fielding shares part of my post. Which Jeter is #4 in this year, while Tejada is #5.

I know I said that was the last I'll say on the matter, but one more thing.? I live in New York during the school year, I get the YES network and I go to Yankee Stadium quite a bit...so I've seen Jeter, and I've seen Tejada, and quite a bit of both.? I just simply think that Tejada has better range, a stronger throwing arm, and the ability to make the spectacular play look seamless.? Jeter makes the tough play look tougher because, well, I think he's a hot-dog much like Edmonds (go ahead, call me biased, I won't deny it).

 

Also, if a difference of .56 is negligible, their fielding percentage was only separated by .1 (.981 to .971).? In all honesty, the numbers are there for Tejada, but Jeter had the one play that every one remembers...I just don't agree with that necessarily, but then again, Palmeiro won a Gold-Glove in '99 when he played a whopping 28 games at first-base (he won the silver slugger as a DH).? So for me, this award really lost credibility a while ago.

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Read my last post about fielding shares, which averages in all of the major defensive stats.

 

Regardless, at least I'm not just being a "biased yankee fan" anymore and you are beginning to see the light. We just have a difference of which stats are more valuable to us, which is fine.

then again, Palmeiro won a Gold-Glove in '99 when he played a whopping 28 games at first-base (he won the silver slugger as a DH). So for me, this award really lost credibility a while ago.

 

Agreed. At the risk of sounding like a homer, Tino Martinez was absolutely robbed that year. Tino was head and shoulders above the rest of the league defensively and "lost" the award to Palmeiro because of his bat. That one act has tainted my view of the GG. Hell, I don't think Bernie deserved his GG either.

 

I think of Derek Jeter in the same manner as I think of Joe Montana. Neither of them have incredible natural abilities but they both excel due to their instincts and leadership qualities. DJ isn?t the best defensive SS, but he aint bad! With that said, Jeter deserved the award last year. Sure, he probably got it based on his reputation for the clutch play. Who cares? He still had the best defensive season for SS in the league last year. Tejada, while normally a sure and steady glove man, had way too many high profile errors. The stat that you don?t see along with the errors is how many of those errors translated into runs. I know from memory that two of Tejada?s errors translated into 5 runs for the Yanks last year. I am also referring to incidents that were truly ERRORS made by Tejada, which is not necessarily the same thing as two errors CHARGED to Tejada. Several of Jeter?s ?errors? were actually because of poor plays by 1B or pitchers who don?t field their positions as well as guys like Mo and Mussina.

 

I will state flat out that I think that Tejada is the best SS in baseball. Bar none. That said, he didn?t deserve the GG last year. Period.