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Pierre for Mitre, Pinto and Nolasco.

 

source rotoworld.com and ESPN bottomline

 

 

So it seems that the Marlins are not giving up a pitching prospect in addition to Pierre in this deal.

 

DALLAS -- The Florida Marlins likely finished their salary purge on Wednesday, sending center fielder Juan Pierre to the Chicago Cubs for right-hander Sergio Mitre and Double-A pitchers Ricky Nolasco and Renyel Pinto.

 

Source -- http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2251348

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Another day, another departed Marlin

By Chris Kline

December 7, 2005

 

Before the Marlins dealt Juan Pierre to anyone, the center fielder was expected to carry a hefty price tag. As Florida made what is expected to be its final move to shed payroll, it got arguably the best return of any deal they made this offseason from the Cubs, netting lefthander Renyel Pinto and righthanders Sergio Mitre and Ricky Nolasco for Pierre.

 

It was the fourth cost-cutting deal Florida made in two weeks, saving them nearly $50 million in payroll next season.

 

In Pierre, the Cubs land a leadoff hitter with speed and great range in center. The 28-year-old, who made $3.7 million in 2005, is eligible for arbitration after hitting .276, his worst average in three seasons as a Marlin. Pierre led the National League with 221 hits in 2004, a year after he led the majors with 65 steals in helping the Marlins win the 2003 World Series.

 

In return, the Marlins add to their stockpile of young arms. The only one with major league experience is Mitre, who went 2-5, 5.37 in 60 innings in 2005. He also went 5-6, 4.33 in 70 innings at Triple-A Iowa. A strike-thrower who induces a lot of ground balls, Mitre throws a sinking 86-94 mph fastball, curveball and changeup. Because the 24-year-old isn't overpowering, he doesn't have much margin for error, as he has shown in his big league stints.

 

Pinto, 23, went a combined 11-5, 3.72 with 147 strikeouts in 152 innings between Double-A West Tenn and Iowa this season. Pinto's best pitch is his changeup, which he will throw in any count with good deception and sink. He throws from a low three-quarters delivery, making it tough for hitters to pick up his 92-94 mph fastball. His slider has shown flashes of becoming above-average, but he must improve its consistency.

 

Nolasco, who turns 23 next week, has always flown under the radar in the Cubs' system. He started to get some recognition this year after he made a run at the pitching triple crown in his second straight year in the Southern League, topping the circuit in strikeouts (173), tying for the lead in wins (14) and finishing third in ERA (2.89) for West Tenn. The 6-foot-2, 220-pounder has an aggressive style while commanding the strike zone. He features a 91-93 mph fastball, curveball with good depth and a changeup.

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please please enough with the pitchers

 

I would've thrown in another prospect to get Pie, but just not more pitchers

 

*sigh*

 

You make it sound to easy. There is no way the Cubs would part with Pie for 1 year of Pierre. Pierre is a stop gap for Pie, that's it.

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please please enough with the pitchers

 

I would've thrown in another prospect to get Pie, but just not more pitchers

 

*sigh*

 

You make it sound to easy. There is no way the Cubs would part with Pie for 1 year of Pierre. Pierre is a stop gap for Pie, that's it.

 

hence the another prospect...

 

we have so many pitchers i would not care in the least to give any one of them up if it got us pie

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pierre and olsen for pie wouldve gotten it done i bet

 

and i wouldve done it

 

 

Why do u do this trade?

 

Year Team Name League Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP Avg Obp Slg Ops

 

2002 Azl Cubs Ariz 17 Chc Rk 55 218 42 70 16 13 4 37 17 8 21 47 4 1 1 4 1 .321 .385 .569 954

2002 Boise Nwest 17 Chc A 2 8 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .222 .250 472

2003 Lansing Midw 18 Chc A 124 505 72 144 22 9 4 47 19 13 41 98 6 2 3 0 3 .285 .346 .388 734

2004 Daytona FSL 19 Chc A 110 431 79 128 18 10 8 47 32 18 39 116 5 2 7 5 5 .297 .358 .441 799

2005 West Tennessee Sou 20 Chc AA 59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 13 9 16 53 .304 .349 .554 903

 

Minor League Totals: 4 years 350 1402 235 416 74 37 27 157 81 48 118 315 15 5 11 9 9 .297 --- .460 ---

 

 

Those # don't tell me elite prospect therefore I don't trade Olsen.

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pierre and olsen for pie wouldve gotten it done i bet

 

and i wouldve done it

 

 

Why do u do this trade?

 

Year Team Name League Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP Avg Obp Slg Ops

 

2002 Azl Cubs Ariz 17 Chc Rk 55 218 42 70 16 13 4 37 17 8 21 47 4 1 1 4 1 .321 .385 .569 954

2002 Boise Nwest 17 Chc A 2 8 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .222 .250 472

2003 Lansing Midw 18 Chc A 124 505 72 144 22 9 4 47 19 13 41 98 6 2 3 0 3 .285 .346 .388 734

2004 Daytona FSL 19 Chc A 110 431 79 128 18 10 8 47 32 18 39 116 5 2 7 5 5 .297 .358 .441 799

2005 West Tennessee Sou 20 Chc AA 59 240 41 73 17 5 11 25 13 9 16 53 .304 .349 .554 903

 

Minor League Totals: 4 years 350 1402 235 416 74 37 27 157 81 48 118 315 15 5 11 9 9 .297 --- .460 ---

 

 

Those # don't tell me elite prospect therefore I don't trade Olsen.

 

 

Actually, the numbers in 2004 and 2005 and his age suggest elite prospect to me. He hit about .300 as a 19 year old in high A ball. Then he hit .304 with a marked increase in power in AA in 2005 as a 20 year old. This shows his progression as increse in batting average, increase in power, and the last thing that will come is increase in plate discipline and strike-zone recognition. Once he gets those last pieces he'll become a monster. You'll see his OPS in AA or AAA reach the high .900s or 1.000s.

 

This is the same progression you see in Miggy.

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