Das, Marlins controlling the stadium would bring fans out. Many cannot afford PPS' prices.

 

The Marlins would not charge $10 parking, $4.50 for hot dogs, and $4.00 for a drink! This was done after Henry bought the team. If the Marlins could get control, the prices would come down and more people would come out. the Marlins ticket prices are not the problems, these things are for attendance.

what is parking for most major league stadiums?

Das, what is the income for most major league cities?

 

South floridians have no alternate to driving and paying the parking. The Heat charge $5 i believe. The Panthers charge $10 (Huzeinga has contract to run ODC) and Dolphins charge $20 I believe.

 

Marlins PPS lots charge $9.

BTW, the Panthers have competition since Sawgrass Mills accross the street allows people to park there for free. Most just buy a soda or something to justify the parking at the mall.

South floridians have no alternate to driving and paying the parking.

I believe the parking is free of charge after the 5th inning during a Marlins game.

#1 fish Fan, would you want to wait till the 5th to go to the ballpark? that is rediculous.

#1 fish Fan, would you want to wait till the 5th to go to the ballpark? that is rediculous.

It may be...But it is an alternate choice...If we were to construct a "Temp" stadium(Miami river site is the best location.) we would still need to charge for parking. Unless we were to raise the prices of concessions.

You couldn't build it downtown. it would have to be some place like the turnpike and US27. Near PPs, but not that close and a site with lots of space.

$1-5 parking, and hot dogs not more than $2.50 and drinks not more than $3.00. Beer has to say the same price due to taxes and license fees.

You couldn't build it downtown. it would have to be some place like the turnpike and US27. Near PPs, but not that close and a site with lots of space.

The Marlins have tried to work a deal for constructing a ballpark in Miami River. Since we would be building a "temp" stadium,it wouldn't be as difficult to neogotiate with Miami Management in terms of how to finance the park.(the temp ballpark would be a lot cheaper then the proposed permanant stadium so I would think mangement would accept rent payments.)

 

However I see where you are coming from about an "open spaced location". Downtown would be a better location for the permanant ballpark.

I think the modular park that I propose would be good. They start with a tmp. stadium and improve it as they can with the budget. (i.e. add more seats, add more skyboxes, add roof, and more parking, etc.)

I believe Johnnylons proposed something similar, but didn't really explain it.

I think the modular park that I propose would be good. They start with a tmp. stadium and improve it as they can with the budget. (i.e. add more seats, add more skyboxes, add roof, and more parking, etc.)

Yes, a modular park in which they can build on overtime as they make money, free from the horrible lease. I still think that the Miami River is the best location,though. Like I said,Miami Management would probably except rent payments since it is cheaper then just building a large stadium on the spot. Mangement also stated they would provide the location for the stadium to be constructed. Overtime the Marlins would eventually reach culmination in the stadium renovations thus,having a full-fledged big league stadium over the time of a few years.

 

It's a good plan.

I am going to say this once more. The economy of Miami is terrible and is not good for supporting a luxury like a professional team. Sure, we do it - but in shear bulk of clients. Not as many 'return' clients in this market as in others because the cost of living is pretty high in Miami and the job market is pretty weak. People want to get something for their money - so they stay home and watch on TV. Naturally, it will take a winning team (value for spending cash) to generate better attendance. Cant blame 'em, the after the govt and other hands reaching into their paychecks - why shouldnt we be overprotective of how we spend our money?

 

Le Retard does not have to pay to go to games, he is beyond reproach because he does not have to obey the rules that the 'normal Joe' does - the same guy who he claims to represent. After all, is the voice in his article that of one of us - a loyal fan crying out and making a plea to his fellow 'brothers' to support the team? Or that of an omniscient onlooker who criticizes us? If the latter, what gives him the right to do so?

 

The Herald and their pen of writers are hypocrits - they blame the ownership and accuse them of conspiring to contract and try and discredit anything they do. Tell the fans to NOT go to games and cry when they dont go. Sheep...they are the sheep, not us.

I believe Johnnylons proposed something similar, but didn't really explain it.

Yeah, Cape, I did. A while back though. I think we should start with a small stadium base and 'upgrade' it when we get the money to do so. This is how most businesses improve their capital, their facilities. They grow as their business growns. You start with say, a 25,000 seat stadium which cost very little to construct. The important thing is to find a good location that will allow for expansion to an eventual 40,000+ stadium. This way you control supply and demand - you keep the stadium looking full and can maximize profits. I am glad to see someone actually does pay attention to my ramblings from time to time... :blink: :w00t

I just thought about something... if Miami-Dade is the poorest county (as some of you say [yeah right!]) then there is your answer on why it shouldn't be built in Miami. Move it somewhere else where people can afford to pay.

No, Durable. It is not that the city of Miami cant afford a stadium financially (perhaps they shouldnt...some would argue), but they cant afford not to build one for the tourist industry. Most will try and argue that our tourist industry is just fine, but the benefits of having a MLB team bring much more to the table. It helps our city's image and even can help attract businesses to come here.

 

My argument is that the PEOPLE in Miami are not a well-off as in other cities (Denver, for example). The cost of living is too high while the job market is too weak to support it.

 

Oh, and just so this pertains to the thread, Le Retard is an idiot.

Anybody been to Roger Dean Stadium? Can we have some reviews please?

 

Roger Dean is a beautiful ballpark from the photos, if we can build one like it, but instead of 7,000 seats, 27,000-30,000 seats and we will be in business. Roger Dean has skyboxes/suites and is great. Rain delays don't seem to detract people from going either. It also has great prices.

 

The stadium and nearby offices/training facilities cost $28 million. Naming rights were sold to Roger Dean Chevrolet of Palm Beach/Cape Coral. HOK designed RDS and PPS.

 

HOK also made a temp. stadium for the MLS Chicago Fire. http://www.hoksve.com/sport/projects/19647....htm?sort=Alpha

 

Roger Dean Stadium

 

Location: Jupiter, Florida, USA

Facility User: Jupiter Hammerheads A, Florida Marlins MLB, St. Louis Cardinals MLB

Completion Date: 1998

Roger Dean Stadium includes a 7,000-seat stadium, four major league practice fields and eight minor league practice fields. State-of-the-art training and clubhouse facilities for both the St. Louis Cardinals and the Florida Marlins are located beyond the outfield, each with a balcony view into the stadium.

Traditional ballpark features are represented throughout the facility, but Roger Dean Stadium is also designed to harmonize with its tropical locale. Native live oaks and hedges complement the ballpark's pedestrian scale, and the two main entryways are graced by the soft, fan-shaped leaves of palmetto trees.

 

 

Gate C

 

 

Skybox

 

 

View from Outside Third Base Line Side

 

 

Seats along third base line and behind homeplate. (Grandstand)

New temp. Marlins ballpark at FIU/Tamiami Fair Grounds?

No, Durable. It is not that the city of Miami cant afford a stadium financially (perhaps they shouldnt...some would argue), but they cant afford not to build one for the tourist industry. Most will try and argue that our tourist industry is just fine, but the benefits of having a MLB team bring much more to the table. It helps our city's image and even can help attract businesses to come here.

 

My argument is that the PEOPLE in Miami are not a well-off as in other cities (Denver, for example). The cost of living is too high while the job market is too weak to support it.

 

Oh, and just so this pertains to the thread, Le Retard is an idiot.

That is correct. They pinch their pennies, but there are enough people to support a team. We need a good lease to maximize profits. Fan support is there, the problem is they can't always come out to the ballpark.

Oh, and one more thing about this up-gradable stadium we are exploring. Doak Campbell stadium - home of our beloved FSU Seminoles - started out as basically a high school football stadium. Grandstands on both sides of the field. Now, it seats over 80,000 and has a jumbotron. That was added during our late 90's run which probably paid for it. Also, they are continuing to do construction on the stadium, upgrading its facilities. It all starts with success on the field and rolls over to the stadium itself and the team facilities. I think this is a very unique, and sensible approach the Marlins could utilize. It will be interesting to see, and I too think Miami River would be great, there on Bi-Cential park...

My argument is that the PEOPLE in Miami are not a well-off as in other cities (Denver, for example). The cost of living is too high while the job market is too weak to support it.

Yes jonny I've seen the expensive homes being sold in Miami (Broward too). A normal 1-story 4 Bedroom, 2 Bath, 1 car garage home costs over $200,000 while 250 miles north (of Miami) a 2-story 4 Bedroom with Loft, 2 1/2 Bath, and 2 car garage costs right around $180,000 (western part of Orange, near Lake).

The CITY of Miami is the poorest city in America.

Dade is NOT the poorest county.

People can pay in Dade to go to games in Downtown!