perfect now the fins can go after deANGELO Williams.

 

 

 

yes because the 5'8" little RB is a better pick up then Ronnie brown??? :blink:

 

Height is the most overrated factor when talking about a RB.

 

Jim Brown was too tall at 6'2'' yet he is the best of all time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith are both 5'8'' on good days, yet one is the NFLs alltime leading rusher and the other would have been if he did not retire early.

 

While I would not want to pick Williams because we have Ronnie, he is not a "little RB". At 5'8 1/2", he "slimmed down" at the Senior Bowl to get to 208 from his playing weight of 217-220 and according to most sources still looked very thick and well built. At his height and usual playing weight of 217-220, he is by no means a "little RB".

Love how Denver reported this one first. If he did just miss the test he can appeal the suspension. Didn't Sedrick Hodge miss a test for the 3rd time and was able to play the whole season?

 

I find it all this very strange. If Ricky knew he was going to be out of the country on vacation NFL Rules state you must let the league know and they will follow you around with a cup to take a test if they have too. If anything Ricky dropped the ball here but might still be ok for next year. Really depends if its a missed test or failed test.

 

I just don't see this cat smoking weed anymore with all this holistic yoga crap he does. I know a few people into that who used to be chronic pot smokers and it helped them completley stay clean.

haha he is so stupid, why couldnt he just wait until he retired and then started smoking again.

haha he is so stupid, why couldnt he just wait until he retired and then started smoking again.

 

I think there is more to it then that dude. If anyone who follows the Phins knows he has been a model citizen since coming back from his "hiatus". I do not think he is trying to beat the system and stay high as we have seen reports of him trying to better himself.

 

Trust me the last thing I think he is looking forward to doing is retiring so he can sit back and puff the reefer without being bothered.

haha he is so stupid, why couldnt he just wait until he retired and then started smoking again.

 

 

 

He gets tested every 3-4 days I believe, even in the off-season. I highly doubt he is still smoking weed, and while I would not be shocked if he did get caught smoking I think the odds are that he just missed a scheduled test date which also falls under the failed test category. It is well documented how much Ricky likes to travel and he is currently in India and the odds at this point would be more towards him missing a test. That being said, it is still stupid on his part and hopefully it is the rare case in which something was mixed up and the NFL was notified by Ricky that he was leaving the country. It's happened before.

haha he is so stupid, why couldnt he just wait until he retired and then started smoking again.

 

 

 

He gets tested every 3-4 days I believe, even in the off-season. I highly doubt he is still smoking weed, and while I would not be shocked if he did get caught smoking I think the odds are that he just missed a scheduled test date which also falls under the failed test category. It is well documented how much Ricky likes to travel and he is currently in India and the odds at this point would be more towards him missing a test. That being said, it is still stupid on his part and hopefully it is the rare case in which something was mixed up and the NFL was notified by Ricky that he was leaving the country. It's happened before. :thumbup

perfect now the fins can go after deANGELO Williams.

 

 

 

yes because the 5'8" little RB is a better pick up then Ronnie brown??? :blink:

 

 

yes. he is.

 

little bit of an opinion there? Ronnie is a good back and did well in the NFL last year for splitting carries and his rookie year.

 

 

 

perfect now the fins can go after deANGELO Williams.

 

 

 

yes because the 5'8" little RB is a better pick up then Ronnie brown??? :blink:

 

Height is the most overrated factor when talking about a RB.

 

Jim Brown was too tall at 6'2'' yet he is the best of all time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith are both 5'8'' on good days, yet one is the NFLs alltime leading rusher and the other would have been if he did not retire early.

 

While I would not want to pick Williams because we have Ronnie, he is not a "little RB". At 5'8 1/2", he "slimmed down" at the Senior Bowl to get to 208 from his playing weight of 217-220 and according to most sources still looked very thick and well built. At his height and usual playing weight of 217-220, he is by no means a "little RB".

 

I agree and think he is going to be a good back but in the system that Mularkey is most likely going to run? One based around a power rushing game? Besides would anyone honestly draft a 2nd running back after taking one 2nd overall last year? That would be utterly foolish.

 

I just dont believe the Deangelo is as good of a running back as ronnie brown yet. I could be wrong but we shall see next year in the NFL.

 

One thing to consider for Brown, Barry and Emmit look at the time period and the individuals they were running againt compared to today. 5'8" isnt a huge worry but it is a concern for some scouts (I think they are nitpicking to try to find reasons to make him fall personally). It will come down to his combine I think. He runs a 4.3-4.45 he is checked in at the top 10

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2337252

 

Apparently Fat Hank confirmed the failure to ESPN and not a missed test.

 

His mother, Sandy Williams, told the Palm Beach Post she would be "shocked" if her son would use marijuana again and strongly doubts that is the case.

 

Sandy Williams told the newspaper her son is currently in India and that they had not spoken of late. She speculated that he could have tested positive for a legal supplement he is taking in connection with his yoga studies.

 

"I'll bet my life he's not smoking marijuana," she told the Post on Sunday. "He's so particular about what he puts in his body now. I would just be shocked. I just don't believe he's smoking weed.

 

"I'm thinking maybe it was one of his [legal] supplements for his yoga school. I really just don't believe he's smoking weed," she said.

 

Hey at least she is going to bat for her son. Guess its time for the Ronnie Brown era to officially begin.

 

This also from the VIP's of finheaven.

 

Many of you are familiar with Boomer. He has his sources within the Miami media on these matters. Mostly things have gone North Korea since Nick Saban took over, and where Boomer regularly got stuff from his guy under Wannstedt, he's only gotten stuff from his guy twice since Nick took over.

 

The real skinny is that this is not a FAILED test but rather a MISSED test. Either Ricky is still in India, or he's back in California by now, but either way he was in India when he missed the test.

 

The NFL knew he was going to be in India for a time. Ricky did not make it a secret. If you remember, he revealed his plans to go to India immediately after the season was done, to the press in an interview.

 

Ricky may have ended up staying in India a few days too long, because he left for India a little later than expected after spending some time in California. It may have been during this time period (in India a few days too long) that Ricky was still in India when the NFL did not expect him to be, that he was incommunicado and missed the test.

 

Among journalists the general consensus is it was no coincidence that this all broke in Denver as Denver is trying to nail down a trade value for Ricky.

 

As per the "Cold Pizza" thread, the reporter who broke the news in Denver said she was called by her source, who asked if the Broncos were interested in trading for Ricky because they might want to change their mind since Ricky just violated the NFL drug policy again. The call has a very 'designed' look to it...I personally am thinking there are two possible sources for that call, Denver's front office or Indianapolis' front office.

 

But as for what we KNOW from the sources, we don't know a whole lot yet...it's all still developing and the league has NOT handed down any punishment yet. It could all be nipped in the bud before the league hands down anything, or they could hand down a punishment that will be challenged. The Dolphins are not commenting because they're gathering their case for appeal...as they appear to be standing firmly behind Ricky on this one. Prior to this mess, they had been though uninterested in sending Ricky anywhere in trade because the offers they were fielding (4th, maybe 3rd) were not what Ricky is worth to the team as Ronnie's backup.

 

Some of us are a little alarmed at the propensity for everyone to turn into judge, jury, and executioner on this whole thing before even finding out the facts involved.

 

Again, Ricky failed nothing. This was a miscommunication between Ricky and the league...and it could be resolved to where Ricky doesn't even have to serve any suspension.

 

As for his trade value, we don't even know for sure whether this will have any bearing on it. If it turns out that an appeal isn't even necessary, or the appeal goes quickly and everything gets dropped, I would not assume this does anything to his trade value. The teams already know Ricky is a weird guy and likes to go to India and whatnot during the off season. The positive news is that Ricky is OFF drugs period at the moment, because he is heavily into this holistic healing/yoga thing and they flat out do not believe in polluting your body with drugs.

 

If we get any more updates from sources on what is going on, I will post them in this thread.

 

Take that for what its worth.

sounds about right and I read that on a few places already. This shall be interesting to see, if it is from Denver, something tells me they wont be getting ricky at all.

sounds about right...ive also heard and read that in a few different places....i just hope that is the case...and i think if it is...the NFL will grant him his appeal

hahahahah thats my boy...

 

We be burnin, not conrerning, wha nobody wanna say,

 

Legalize it. time to reconize it... hhahaha thats my boy.

 

Begin the movement now.... stop hattin on the reffer...

 

Ricky is liek the presedent for us pot heads...

hahahahah thats my boy...

 

We be burnin, not conrerning, wha nobody wanna say,

 

Legalize it. time to reconize it... hhahaha thats my boy.

 

Begin the movement now.... stop hattin on the reffer...

 

Ricky is liek the presedent for us pot heads...

 

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

/madison :lol

Apparently it was not just a missed test and he did indeed fail some type of drug test, however the drug he tested positive for has not been stated yet. Per ESPN.com:

 

Sources: Williams' drug violation a failed test

ESPN.com news services

 

 

Sources have told ESPN's Hank Goldberg that Miami Dolphins running back Ricky Williams' violation of the NFL's substance-abuse policy is not a matter of a missed test. Williams has failed a drug test, the sources said, but the substance for which he tested positive is not known.

 

Denver television station KDVR first reported Sunday night that Williams had violated the NFL's substance abuse policy for a fourth time and faces a one-year suspension from the league.

 

The Miami Herald, citing two sources of its own, confirmed the station's report that Williams has violated the policy, although neither source would say whether Williams had failed a drug test or if he had missed a required test, which is also a violation.

 

An NFL spokesman told ESPN that the NFL had no comment on the report.

 

Williams has tested positive for marijuana three times and served a four-game suspension when he returned to the NFL last season following a one-year retirement.

 

Dolphins coach Nick Saban told ESPN he was not aware that Williams had tested positive and he was not allowed to comment, citing the confidential nature of the league's substance abuse policy.

 

Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene declined to comment when reached by the Herald on Sunday night.

 

"Because of the confidential nature of the league's substance abuse policy, we can't comment on any aspect of that program," Greene told the newspaper.

 

Williams was also fined the equivalent of four weeks' salary after his second and third violations of the NFL policy, in December 2003 and the 2004 offseason.

 

His mother, Sandy Williams, told the Palm Beach Post she would be "shocked" if her son would use marijuana again and strongly doubts that is the case.

 

Sandy Williams told the newspaper her son is currently in India and that they had not spoken of late. She speculated that he could have tested positive for a legal supplement he is taking in connection with his yoga studies.

 

"I'll bet my life he's not smoking marijuana," she told the Post on Sunday. "He's so particular about what he puts in his body now. I would just be shocked. I just don't believe he's smoking weed.

 

"I'm thinking maybe it was one of his [legal] supplements for his yoga school. I really just don't believe he's smoking weed," she said.

 

Williams abruptly retired from the NFL in July 2004 and the Dolphins fell apart, losing their first six games and finishing 4-12 -- their worst season since the 1960s.

 

At the time of his return, Williams was ordered to pay the Dolphins $8.6 million for breaching his contract, although there has been no financial resolution between him and the team. He was scheduled to be paid the league minimum of $540,000 last season but was docked four games' pay because of his league-mandated suspension and was fined another four games in pay, reducing his take to $285,882.

 

Williams' base salaries for the two coming seasons are $545,000 and $670,000, the minimum for a player (he entered the league in 1999) of his NFL tenure.

 

Motivated partly by the need for a paycheck, he accepted Saban's offer to return for the 2005 season. When he reported at the start of training camp, Williams publicly apologized for the impact caused by his retirement and teammates unanimously embraced his return.

 

The Dolphins finished the 2005 season 9-7, winning their last six games. Williams gained 743 yards and scored six touchdowns.

 

Williams won the Heisman Trophy, the Maxwell Award, the Walter Camp Award and the Doak Walker Award following his senior season at Texas in 1998. The New Orleans Saints traded away all their picks in the 1999 NFL draft in order to get him.

 

In six seasons with New Orleans and Miami, Williams has 7,097 yards on 1,757 carries -- four yards per carry -- and 47 rushing touchdowns. His best season was in 2002 with Miami, when he gained 1,853 yards in 383 carries and ran for 16 TDs.

 

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

I cant see ricky doing steriods, maybe one of holistic medicine crap has something in the teas?

 

it just makeslittle sense hmm.

 

 

ps thank god for ronnie brown.

 

hahahahah thats my boy...

 

We be burnin, not conrerning, wha nobody wanna say,

 

Legalize it. time to reconize it... hhahaha thats my boy.

 

Begin the movement now.... stop hattin on the reffer...

 

Ricky is liek the presedent for us pot heads...

 

what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

/madison :lol

 

 

that is the greastest post of all time.

Dolphins running back Ricky Williams again failed a test for drug use under the NFL's substance-abuse policy. The drug Williams tested positive for was not marijuana.

 

Williams, who has three times prior tested positive for marijuana use, violated the league's substance-abuse policy this offseason for the fourth time when he failed a drug test, two sources said Monday. The substance discovered is not known publicly.

 

''This whole thing is a little confusing,'' one source said when asked what substance was used. ``I'll just leave it at that. The best way to say it is he violated the program.''

 

Williams' agent, Leigh Steinberg, did not wish to discuss Williams' situation except in hypothetical terms. ``Assuming that something like this happened, an appeal would have been filed. In the best case, that appeal would probably not have been heard until April, but now that all this information is out it's impossible to know what might happen.

 

``I would be blown away if Ricky Williams used drugs, and that's how most of the people around him also feel.''

 

Steinberg said Williams has been in India for approximately two weeks and is not scheduled to return to the United States until early April. He said Williams could have received permission from the NFL to leave the country for a period of time and not be tested under the league's substance-abuse policy.

 

Williams is in India studying yoga and holistic medicine. This is the second consecutive year Williams has spent at least a month in India studying yoga.

 

 

 

LINK

The main problem with this whole ordeal is not only does it make Ricky look like a victim this time (if what he tested for was legal) but this whole appeal process can last until April making it close to impossible to get any value for him if thats the way the Phins chose to go. At the same time this might force Saban to hold his hand and keep one of the best running backs in the NFL for close to nothing. I can't help but wonder how much a package deal including Ricky would have gotten us closer to drafting Cutler.

 

Oh well I guess its just a waiting game of media reporters making false claims until the real story breaks.

Not a surprise and we don't have to search the market for a back up running back since I believe we still have Travis Minor and Sammy Morris.

 

 

 

 

Actually Minor played mostly on ST. Im not even sure if he had a single carry. Maybe someone can look that up. Morris didnt have many carries either and also was a ST ace. One of the two wont be back, if either. Morris is a FA and has already said hes gonna test the market. and Minor wants a shot to play. I think Minor might be a FA too. I know Morris is.

morris and minor are both FA's also