we should probably just cut Uggla now

 

However, since you're an Uggla homer you could only muster that one lame sentence. That all you got boy? :lol

I prefer to actually watch the guy play some games before saying he cant cut it. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. But smoke it outdoors, I dont like my clothes smelling of crow and stuff.

Then is there any point to having any negative feelings on any Florida Marlin player at all on these boards? That seems to be the general opinion of people on the opposite side of the debate. Again, I hope for his success as a solid player for our club, I just don't expect it and feel justified in that opinion through all the information available.

have all the negative feelings you want Sham

I would love for Dan Uggla to be a productive player. I would love Hanley Ramierez to be ready for the show. I would be thrilled if Josh Willingham could catch and for Eric Reed to be the next Juan Pierre.

 

Realistically, Josh will be a solid LF (and we should be happy about it), CF will be a hole where run production goes to die and our middle infield will be not ready for prime time. Our rotation will not suck and we have some real gems that are new to the lineup (Hermedia, Jacobs, Willingham) so we should be able to escape worst-team ever and we have so many arms that we will be able to have a world-class team in a few seasons.

Eric Reed to be the next Juan Pierre.

If you're truly a SABR guy, no you won't :lol

There are plenty of things to recommend Juan Pierre under SABRmetrics.

 

His last season was not the greatest, sure. But as a rule he has a better than average OBP (usually 20+ points higher), steals at greater than a 70% rate (the run-neutral level is 66%), and doesn't strike out.

 

Would I rather have Brian Giles or Jason Bay? Yes, but while I'm wishing I also want a pony.

There are plenty of things to recommend Juan Pierre under SABRmetrics.

 

His last season was not the greatest, sure. But as a rule he has a better than average OBP (usually 20+ points higher), steals at greater than a 70% rate (the run-neutral level is 66%), and doesn't strike out.

 

Would I rather have Brian Giles or Jason Bay? Yes, but while I'm wishing I also want a pony.

 

 

I agree with your assesment that JP brings valuable assests to the park, but I would add.... Pierre is not worth $5.75 million with his defense and power and has thus turned into a terrible sabermetrics ball player. He was a relative bargain every season up until now. Even without the 'trade frenzy' of this year, he was a great candidate to be traded because he is no longer cost effective for small market teams.

There are plenty of things to recommend Juan Pierre under SABRmetrics.

 

His last season was not the greatest, sure. But as a rule he has a better than average OBP (usually 20+ points higher), steals at greater than a 70% rate (the run-neutral level is 66%), and doesn't strike out.

 

Would I rather have Brian Giles or Jason Bay? Yes, but while I'm wishing I also want a pony.

Oh, I like Juanpy. But I'm not a SABR guy. Just saying I've heard many a stat guru look down on him because of his steal percentage (while the mean might be 66%, the general rule I've always read is that a runner must steal at or better than 75% of the time to be worth it), his noodle arm (well everyone does), and "empty" batting average as you'd see from rferry in the MLB thread about him.

There are plenty of things to recommend Juan Pierre under SABRmetrics.

 

His last season was not the greatest, sure. But as a rule he has a better than average OBP (usually 20+ points higher), steals at greater than a 70% rate (the run-neutral level is 66%), and doesn't strike out.

 

Would I rather have Brian Giles or Jason Bay? Yes, but while I'm wishing I also want a pony.

 

Oh, I like Juanpy. But I'm not a SABR guy. Just saying I've heard many a stat guru look down on him because of his steal percentage (while the mean might be 66%, the general rule I've always read is that a runner must steal at or better than 75% of the time to be worth it), his noodle arm (well everyone does), and "empty" batting average as you'd see from rferry in the MLB thread about him.

 

He isn't as good a hitter as his reputation would indicate and he has a noodle arm for sure. 66% is not the mean (actually better than the average), 66% is where your SBs neither help nor harm your offense, since he is in excess of 70% his speed is a net gain. You do have to get to 75% success for that to be a reason to spend more money for you.

 

I liked Juan, I also liked Chuckie Carr (not that JP isn't far better than CC). I don't think either should be a leadoff man. I always thought JP should have batted 2nd. Left handed (exploit 1B hole), good contact (no strike `em out + throw `em out), good speed (hard to double up), good bunter (bunt for basehits or show it to bring in the corners to increase your OBP chances) and we have Luis Castillo, one of the top 20 or so OBP players in the game with which to lead off.

 

Of course at this point we are way off of the subject of Dan Uggla. :hat

He isn't as good a hitter as his reputation would indicate and he has a noodle arm for sure. 66% is not the mean (actually better than the average), 66% is where your SBs neither help nor harm your offense, since he is in excess of 70% his speed is a net gain. You do have to get to 75% success for that to be a reason to spend more money for you.

 

I liked Juan, I also liked Chuckie Carr (not that JP isn't far better than CC). I don't think either should be a leadoff man. I always thought JP should have batted 2nd. Left handed (exploit 1B hole), good contact (no strike `em out + throw `em out), good speed (hard to double up), good bunter (bunt for basehits or show it to bring in the corners to increase your OBP chances) and we have Luis Castillo, one of the top 20 or so OBP players in the game with which to lead off.

 

Of course at this point we are way off of the subject of Dan Uggla. :hat

Yeah, well we can't really say much more about Uggla than we'll wait and see so.....we'll wait and see haha.

 

No mistake I loved both Juanpy and Chuckie. I wasn't as keen to baseball specifics when Chuckie was around, but for Pierre I can say there were some legit reasons why he led off. There were the conventional reasons of course, like his being the fastest hitter in the lineup. But I think the main reason why he didn't lead off was because of Luis Castillo. Castillo was far and away the better bunter (I wouldn't even hesitate to call him the best bunter I've seen in current action). He was also the best hitter in the lineup with two strikes, and among the best at hit and run. When Pierre was running, Luiy was skilled enough with the bat to be able to foul off pitches where Juanpy would get gunned down and take pitches that were sure steals. He would foul off balls to protect Juan on the hit and run, and was able to bunt him over if necessary. Because of Luiy's talent at all these things, he made for the better number two hitter in this lineup.