Posted May 2, 200618 yr I don't do this often but some of you are unbelievable. First of all, questioning Joe Girardi tonight, everynight. I am sitting up here in Orlando, following the game on gameday, seeing dontrelle get hammered and then i saw he went out for thte eighth and give up the home run to burrell, and i said to myself, what the hell is girardi doing leaving him in there? But, he's a rookie manager, and yeah, i woulda taken him out in hte top of the 7th, but how do we know that dontrelle didn't say no leave me in? what happends if he takes him out, and throws in josh johnson? and he screws it up? then what, are we going to complain if he didn't put matt herges in? if he puts matt herges in then girardi has a love affair with him. last year it was jack mckeon making all the mistakes and everyone was flipping out i'm tired of him and when girardi was signed everyone was oh yay this is going to be great he's such a student of the game he's the perfect man for the job. lets face it, people picked us to finish with the worst record in the league and many people disagreed saying we would finish with more than 70. i hope people realize why we are picked to finish las and lose more than 100 games. AAA ball players for the most part, no bullpen and a new manager. and on top of that most of them have never played with each other before. The bullpen has limited experience. Everytime we lose a game like this it really freaking sucks, and i want them to win every game just as much as every other fan in here does, and i want there to be 37,000 people there everynight, but for this to be unexpected and to moan and bitch about it after every move is ridiculous. This is what we should expect. The important thing is, is that every time we blow a game and make a bad move whether it is a double switch, or an inexpienced play in the field. it is a learning experience. look at dan uggla, he was a triple away from the cycle. then theres shadez. we know that dontrelle is going to give us 150% every single time out there. I hope games like this will help us appreciate the wins a little more, hopefully we've got a new stadium on the horizion, and things will only get better.
May 2, 200618 yr Author yep... The thing with Girardi is he is completely screwing up common sense moves i understand but we have to figure we're going to lose about 70% of the games, so if you follow the odds, we're screwed either way, i think we're second guessing a majority of the time regardless
May 2, 200618 yr Night's now officially complete. We've had the gloom and doom, then the rationalization that we as fans have no right to criticize, and we have brighter days ahead. Took longer than I would have expected though. Oh, and to the point of the post, I've said it a few times tonight; there's a difference between second guessing Girardi and actively saying (before the hammer has even dropped) "what the hell is going on?" Now, Girardi doesn't have all the talent in the world, but it's a lot easier to see someone make the right call and watch it backfire instead of making what everyone knows to be the wrong decision (leaving Jacobs in with less than 2 outs with Helms on the bench, letting Dontrelle go back out for an extra inning, etc. etc.) and watching it blow up. Girardi, over the past two series, has been woefully bad. There's second guessing and then there's what Girardi is doing and quite honestly, it transcends the world of monday morning quarterbacking.
May 2, 200618 yr I mean, to put it in real life terms, let's pretend a major league manager is a little kid. That kid picks up a toy and starts twisting it and turning it until the head pops off, and then the crying comes. Well, as a parent, you know it's best for the kid to have learned that such a decision results in the toy's head coming off so the kid learns and changes his act next time. Something like this is relateable to many of McKeon's moves last season. You probably knew they weren't going to end well, but you couldn't definitively say he was directly harming himself and it was definitely better to let experience dictate how the future will be managed. Well, let's say that you're a parent with the same kid, but this time instead of playing with toys, somehow the kid has discovered the electrical socket in the wall. What's more alarming is that the kid has a fork with him and is about to stick the fork into the socket. Now, as a parent you can't just sit by and watch this happen, you grab the fork and reprimand the child before he can seriously harm himself. Somebody's yet to grab Girardi.
May 2, 200618 yr I mean, to put it in real life terms, let's pretend a major league manager is a little kid. That kid picks up a toy and starts twisting it and turning it until the head pops off, and then the crying comes. Well, as a parent, you know it's best for the kid to have learned that such a decision results in the toy's head coming off so the kid learns and changes his act next time. Something like this is relateable to many of McKeon's moves last season. You probably knew they weren't going to end well, but you couldn't definitively say he was directly harming himself and it was definitely better to let experience dictate how the future will be managed. Well, let's say that you're a parent with the same kid, but this time instead of playing with toys, somehow the kid has discovered the electrical socket in the wall. What's more alarming is that the kid has a fork with him and is about to stick the fork into the socket. Now, as a parent you can't just sit by and watch this happen, you grab the fork and reprimand the child before he can seriously harm himself. Somebody's yet to grab Girardi. :lol
May 2, 200618 yr ya know giardi always using herges and the other sucky rps, then again we really don't have many who aren't, and leaving willis in late could be his way of trying to tell the front office to get him someone he could trust in these situations because he doesn't trust anyone in the pen. then again: 1) you guys are too full of venom to think of that or 2) you guys think joe isnt smart enough to do that or 3) a mix of 1 and 2
May 2, 200618 yr ^_^ )-->QUOTE( ^_^ @ May 2 2006, 1:57 AM) 1132465[/snapback] ya know giardi always using herges and the other sucky rps, then again we really don't have many who aren't, and leaving willis in late could be his way of trying to tell the front office to get him someone he could trust in these situations because he doesn't trust anyone in the pen. then again: 1) you guys are too full of venom to think of that 2) you guys think joe isnt smart enough to do that 3) a mix of 1 and 2 That really might be the funniest thing I've read all night. Girardi leaving Willis out there showed his lack of faith in the bullpen, true, but there was no underlying message to "get help in the 'pen." You don't plead for help when you know none is coming, it's just a waste of everyone's time, and you certainly don't show up your team's best pitcher to make a point. If Girardi had that as his motivation for sending Dontrelle out to get his whupping, then Girardi's dumber than even I credit him for. If this ownership group were dedicated to winning this year or even spending a modest sum on the team perhaps your argument has legs, but in the team's current state and its forseeable future it's an inane argument.
May 2, 200618 yr That really might be the funniest thing I've read all night. Girardi leaving Willis out there showed his lack of faith in the bullpen, true, but there was no underlying message to "get help in the 'pen." You don't plead for help when you know none is coming, it's just a waste of everyone's time, and you certainly don't show up your team's best pitcher to make a point. If Girardi had that as his motivation for sending Dontrelle out to get his whupping, then Girardi's dumber than even I credit him for. If this ownership group were dedicated to winning this year or even spending a modest sum on the team perhaps your argument has legs, but in the team's current state and its forseeable future it's an inane argument. yup because joe sending the message to the FO "you don't care about winning, then neither do i" is hilarious. both sides can say all they want joe knew what he was getting into with this team, but i don't think when he took the job knowing the only two holdovers he would have were cabs and dontrelle. nor do i believe he thought he was going to be looking at a lineup of 6 rookies a night and a payroll of $15 mill. isn't the FOs complete lack of willingness to spend money to try and win a waste of time and effort for all involved anyway? if joe and jeff get into a pissing match jeff can't win. he fires joe, joe will find another job again rather quickly because no one will blame him for what happens here, after all most of the baseball world already has their mind made up over loria & co, as well as the marlins current situation. and loria would have a heck of a time trying to find someone else to head the ship, would just need to find someone desperate enough to get a managing position, someone who probably could never get such a position in their wildest dreams.
May 2, 200618 yr I mean, to put it in real life terms, let's pretend a major league manager is a little kid. That kid picks up a toy and starts twisting it and turning it until the head pops off, and then the crying comes. Well, as a parent, you know it's best for the kid to have learned that such a decision results in the toy's head coming off so the kid learns and changes his act next time. Something like this is relateable to many of McKeon's moves last season. You probably knew they weren't going to end well, but you couldn't definitively say he was directly harming himself and it was definitely better to let experience dictate how the future will be managed. Well, let's say that you're a parent with the same kid, but this time instead of playing with toys, somehow the kid has discovered the electrical socket in the wall. What's more alarming is that the kid has a fork with him and is about to stick the fork into the socket. Now, as a parent you can't just sit by and watch this happen, you grab the fork and reprimand the child before he can seriously harm himself. Somebody's yet to grab Girardi. :notworthy Excellent analogy.
May 2, 200618 yr ^_^ )-->QUOTE( ^_^ @ May 2 2006, 2:06 AM) 1132469[/snapback] yup because joe sending the message to the FO "you don't care about winning, then neither do i" is hilarious. both sides can say all they want joe knew what he was getting into with this team, but i don't think when he took the job knowing the only two holdovers he would have were cabs and dontrelle. nor do i believe he thought he was going to be looking at a lineup of 6 rookies a night and a payroll of $15 mill. isn't the FOs complete lack of willingness to spend money to try and win a waste of time and effort for all involved anyway? if joe and jeff get into a pissing match jeff can't win. he fires joe, joe will find another job again rather quickly because no one will blame him for what happens here, after all most of the baseball world already has their mind made up over loria & co, as well as the marlins current situation. and loria would have a heck of a time trying to find someone else to head the ship, would just need to find someone desperate enough to get a managing position, someone who probably could never get such a position in their wildest dreams. So does the rest of the baseball world (MLB owners & Selig) think this franchise is worth saving ? If you say they have made up their mind -- what did last night's crowd tell them ? I can't blame the fans -- no matter what you say, we had been steadily gaining fans the last few years and the average crowds had been heading up. Loria is a bad owner PERIOD, and if the "baseball world" knows this then why did Selig and MLB allow Loria to take over this market, and not send him to Washington ? This was the market where he could do more harm than in baseball starved (suppossedly) Washington. Loria's good PR of the 2002/2003 seasons is long gone, and he is reviled by just about all but the most diehard apologists. Joe I think may have been trusting in D-Train too much, because I seriously don't believe he was "sending a message" to the FO. He knows its gonna fall on deaf ears, at least for this year it will.
May 2, 200618 yr Rite This is why some people shouldn't be allowed to have children pot. kettle. black.
May 2, 200618 yr Rite This is why some people shouldn't be allowed to have children pot. kettle. black. :thumbup
May 2, 200618 yr I just checked the schedule the season ends October 1st, that would be my guess as to when all of this will end.
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