^_^ )-->QUOTE( ^_^ @ May 2 2006, 12:06 PM) 1132661[/snapback]

 

So tell me...

 

Why are you really a Marlin fan?

 

question

To spite ... Selig

?

 

you mean the guy who found an owner for the team when no one else wanted them by giving loria a sweetheart deal to buy the team. i might have missed something but i never realized selig was anti-marlins or even anti-south florida. i would say he has been quite the opposite.

 

Or you mean the man who foisted off on the Marlins franchise an owner he KNEW didn't have the money to keep this team going in So Fla, because that is a market that had already been poisoned & destroyed by Huizenga & Henry and of course with his own hand by taking away the 1999 All-Star Game.

 

Yes the man who sent a franchise to Washington without Loria, who he knew would alienate the DC populace and destroy that market once again. The man who knew we have several very wealthy local men who would have jumped at buying the Marlins and would have a new stadium opening next year.

 

Yeah -- that Selig

IM getting an early jump on my fellow PORTLANDERS and seeing who I like and why... I love the Marlins

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared).

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared).

Well if Miami had ever stepped up to the plate we would be on the roughly the same financial foundation as every other team in baseball.

 

Name one other team that has the financial restraints we do....

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared). I understand the Marlins aren't giving an equal ROI. But honestly if the product is poor you do not buy it. It's like any product. The thing that seperates the bandwagon from the true fan is the ability to overlook the quality of the product and simply root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.

 

I'm sure I am stating things that you already know.

So you don't blame them for holding the fans or players hostage?

 

You don't have any issue with anything they've done to drive this franchise into the ground over the past 6 months? Even with a new stadium, this fanbase is on life support. New stadiums aren't the panacea everyone's making them out to be.

 

And as for the lying from others, maybe if the Marlins made more of an effort to be honest (IE, opening books, not using fungible numbers) then it would be a different story. Samson and Loria are a bunch of lying sacks of crap too and we as fans deserve better.

 

I really, really take issue with you saying this ownership group has done more good than any other...you're giving far too much credit for one flukey World Series win.

 

We have had 3 winning seasons with them.

 

We had 1 combined with all the others.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

You do what you have to do....so while you basically call the ownership group the devil, does that mean that the politicos get a free pass? Cause thats the idea I get.

 

Has this ownership group screwed up? Sure.

 

But they have still done more good than any other.

 

I as a fan deserve more than for a city to dick around my team. Why should they open up their books when the other 29 teams are not doing this?

 

 

Huizenga's villified daily yet he did more for this team than Loria. He brought them into existance, he housed them, he spent on them and they won. He didn't get a stadium so he found someone to buy the team, Don Smiley wanted salary purged so Huizenga purged it, it's not Wayne's fault Smiley's investors backed out at the last minute. Loria purged an obscene (and overdone) amount of talent and salary so he could simply rake in MLB welfare all while threatening relocation and telling the fans it's your fault that I have the financial wherewithall to not even honor contracts my own employees negotiated.

 

I'm sorry, Loria's only a step above Henry because we won a World Series with Loria here, and Huizenga's light-years better.

 

 

And Huizenga continues to make money off this team, making it pretty much impossible for the current ownership to make money off us.

 

Thanks Wayne!

 

Wait wait wait wait wait.

 

Those three winning seasons were the result of a blueprint leftover by the past Dombrowski rebuild. Let's see how Beinfests youngin's do when they're expected to compete and have no position players, but that's not the point.

 

Huizenga's capitalizing off of Henry's idiocy and it's not his fault Loria was dumb enough to take a team with a lease such as it is and then huffs and puffs when he doesn't get his way, eventhough that was the situation when he took over the team and has yet to change.

 

If you sign up for an economics class and they teach you economics, you're not going to get pissed off they're doing that, right? Well, Loria's essentially doing that. He knew he was walking into quicksand and then he started bitching and blaming others when the sand starting sinking. That's inexcusable.

 

We as fans deserve bettern than an ownership group who has given no indication that they're willing to completely negotiate in good faith. They've asked repeatedly for a no strings attached handout yet refuse to show why they deserve one. If you apply for medicaid or welfare you need to prove need, why should the Marlins ask the state of Florida and tax payers to subsidize their billion dollar industry when it's debateable they're even losing the money they claim to be losing?

 

 

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared).

Well if Miami had ever stepped up to the plate we would be on the roughly the same financial foundation as every other team in baseball.

 

Name one other team that has the financial restraints we do....

 

You serious? Oakland, they even have the same awful shared ballpark situation and a crap owner. Come on Das, it can be done, the Marlins aren't this pathetic martyr.

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared). I understand the Marlins aren't giving an equal ROI. But honestly if the product is poor you do not buy it. It's like any product. The thing that seperates the bandwagon from the true fan is the ability to overlook the quality of the product and simply root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.

 

I'm sure I am stating things that you already know.

what about proximity is the location of the team in conjunction to your residence an important factoid

huh??

So you don't blame them for holding the fans or players hostage?

 

You don't have any issue with anything they've done to drive this franchise into the ground over the past 6 months? Even with a new stadium, this fanbase is on life support. New stadiums aren't the panacea everyone's making them out to be.

 

And as for the lying from others, maybe if the Marlins made more of an effort to be honest (IE, opening books, not using fungible numbers) then it would be a different story. Samson and Loria are a bunch of lying sacks of crap too and we as fans deserve better.

 

I really, really take issue with you saying this ownership group has done more good than any other...you're giving far too much credit for one flukey World Series win.

 

We have had 3 winning seasons with them.

 

We had 1 combined with all the others.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

You do what you have to do....so while you basically call the ownership group the devil, does that mean that the politicos get a free pass? Cause thats the idea I get.

 

Has this ownership group screwed up? Sure.

 

But they have still done more good than any other.

 

I as a fan deserve more than for a city to dick around my team. Why should they open up their books when the other 29 teams are not doing this?

 

 

Huizenga's villified daily yet he did more for this team than Loria. He brought them into existance, he housed them, he spent on them and they won. He didn't get a stadium so he found someone to buy the team, Don Smiley wanted salary purged so Huizenga purged it, it's not Wayne's fault Smiley's investors backed out at the last minute. Loria purged an obscene (and overdone) amount of talent and salary so he could simply rake in MLB welfare all while threatening relocation and telling the fans it's your fault that I have the financial wherewithall to not even honor contracts my own employees negotiated.

 

I'm sorry, Loria's only a step above Henry because we won a World Series with Loria here, and Huizenga's light-years better.

 

 

And Huizenga continues to make money off this team, making it pretty much impossible for the current ownership to make money off us.

 

Thanks Wayne!

 

Wait wait wait wait wait.

 

Those three winning seasons were the result of a blueprint leftover by the past Dombrowski rebuild. Let's see how Beinfests youngin's do when they're expected to compete and have no position players, but that's not the point.

 

Huizenga's capitalizing off of Henry's idiocy and it's not his fault Loria was dumb enough to take a team with a lease such as it is and then huffs and puffs when he doesn't get his way, eventhough that was the situation when he took over the team and has yet to change.

 

If you sign up for an economics class and they teach you economics, you're not going to get pissed off they're doing that, right? Well, Loria's essentially doing that. He knew he was walking into quicksand and then he started bitching and blaming others when the sand starting sinking. That's inexcusable.

 

We as fans deserve bettern than an ownership group who has given no indication that they're willing to completely negotiate in good faith. They've asked repeatedly for a no strings attached handout yet refuse to show why they deserve one. If you apply for medicaid or welfare you need to prove need, why should the Marlins ask the state of Florida and tax payers to subsidize their billion dollar industry when it's debateable they're even losing the money they claim to be losing?

 

 

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared).

Well if Miami had ever stepped up to the plate we would be on the roughly the same financial foundation as every other team in baseball.

 

Name one other team that has the financial restraints we do....

 

You serious? Oakland, they even have the same awful shared ballpark situation and a crap owner. Come on Das, it can be done, the Marlins aren't this pathetic martyr.

why do we think Loria was dumb?

 

His initial capital investment has more than doubled (keep in mind he owes MLB money and is claiming "loses" left and right. He is sitting pretty on the short term with revenue sharing and rock bottom payroll.

I'm a Marlins fan from day one, but I differentiate between what is on the field and what is in the FO. I am critical of the team yes, but that is because I care -- if I didn't I wouldn't bother posting here.

 

I've been a baseball fan since a kid when we would make a trip every Summer up to Atlanta to visit family and to catch a Braves series. We did this religiously between 1968-78. I also went to visit my uncle in NYC and would catch a Mets game every Summer and was there when Pete Rose hit # 35 in 1978. Been to a Houston / Montreal game in the Astrodome, and also to many many Baltimore Spring Training games down at Miami Stadium.

 

Also have been a season ticket holder for the U of Miami Hurricanes baseball since I graduated from U of Miami in 1982 (started going to the games as a Frosh in 1978).

 

I love baseball period.......and was so thrilled in 1991/1992 when Huizenga was awarded the franchise. It was a dream come true, and the joy I experienced in 1997 with the WS win, toppped any NC that my Canes had or SB win the Dolphins ever achieved. It was the World Series darn it.

 

Since then it has been mostly distrust and downright hatred for Marlins ownership -- especially for the lying crapbag we have as an owner now. I never thought I could hate an owner more than John Henry, but Selig managed to find the one man that can make me do it.

So you don't blame them for holding the fans or players hostage?

 

You don't have any issue with anything they've done to drive this franchise into the ground over the past 6 months? Even with a new stadium, this fanbase is on life support. New stadiums aren't the panacea everyone's making them out to be.

 

And as for the lying from others, maybe if the Marlins made more of an effort to be honest (IE, opening books, not using fungible numbers) then it would be a different story. Samson and Loria are a bunch of lying sacks of crap too and we as fans deserve better.

 

I really, really take issue with you saying this ownership group has done more good than any other...you're giving far too much credit for one flukey World Series win.

 

We have had 3 winning seasons with them.

 

We had 1 combined with all the others.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

You do what you have to do....so while you basically call the ownership group the devil, does that mean that the politicos get a free pass? Cause thats the idea I get.

 

Has this ownership group screwed up? Sure.

 

But they have still done more good than any other.

 

I as a fan deserve more than for a city to dick around my team. Why should they open up their books when the other 29 teams are not doing this?

 

 

Huizenga's villified daily yet he did more for this team than Loria. He brought them into existance, he housed them, he spent on them and they won. He didn't get a stadium so he found someone to buy the team, Don Smiley wanted salary purged so Huizenga purged it, it's not Wayne's fault Smiley's investors backed out at the last minute. Loria purged an obscene (and overdone) amount of talent and salary so he could simply rake in MLB welfare all while threatening relocation and telling the fans it's your fault that I have the financial wherewithall to not even honor contracts my own employees negotiated.

 

I'm sorry, Loria's only a step above Henry because we won a World Series with Loria here, and Huizenga's light-years better.

 

 

And Huizenga continues to make money off this team, making it pretty much impossible for the current ownership to make money off us.

 

Thanks Wayne!

 

Wait wait wait wait wait.

 

Those three winning seasons were the result of a blueprint leftover by the past Dombrowski rebuild. Let's see how Beinfests youngin's do when they're expected to compete and have no position players, but that's not the point.

 

Huizenga's capitalizing off of Henry's idiocy and it's not his fault Loria was dumb enough to take a team with a lease such as it is and then huffs and puffs when he doesn't get his way, eventhough that was the situation when he took over the team and has yet to change.

 

If you sign up for an economics class and they teach you economics, you're not going to get pissed off they're doing that, right? Well, Loria's essentially doing that. He knew he was walking into quicksand and then he started bitching and blaming others when the sand starting sinking. That's inexcusable.

 

We as fans deserve bettern than an ownership group who has given no indication that they're willing to completely negotiate in good faith. They've asked repeatedly for a no strings attached handout yet refuse to show why they deserve one. If you apply for medicaid or welfare you need to prove need, why should the Marlins ask the state of Florida and tax payers to subsidize their billion dollar industry when it's debateable they're even losing the money they claim to be losing?

 

 

They might be douchebag liars but they did lose money to put a winning product on the field for years. While I do not agree with choices made, in no way would I stop being a fan of a team due to its ownership. No sense getting all hot and bothered when its out of your control.

 

I guess I am in the minority of people who feel they aren't owed something from this team. But like I said I am a fan of the sport first.

 

 

I don't think anyone here feels we're "owed" anything since that's a foolish argument to begin with. You can love a team to death but they won't love you back, even the well run franchises.

 

What is frustrating is the pathetic "roll over" attitude expressed by most herein. You still make an investment in the Marlins be it financially or simply with time and emotion, and clearly the Marlins aren't giving an equal return on investment.

 

I think everyone here would rather watch the Marlins lose when a more talented team beats them rather than watching teams of debateably equal talent capitalize on the Marlins repeatedly beating themselves (and that blame should be equally shared).

Well if Miami had ever stepped up to the plate we would be on the roughly the same financial foundation as every other team in baseball.

 

Name one other team that has the financial restraints we do....

 

You serious? Oakland, they even have the same awful shared ballpark situation and a crap owner. Come on Das, it can be done, the Marlins aren't this pathetic martyr.

 

So the A's get zero off of parking and concessions then. If so then bravo to them for keeping it going as long. At least the A's situation is soon to be fixed.

 

And who is to say that the politicos are negotiating in good faith? I mean if they are all gung ho and from what I hear have always been this if they had a 'local' owner than wouldnt that mean you arent exactly negotiating in good faith, i.e. never giving the ownership group a fair shake?

 

What is the need for a stadium? Well, look at the other 29 teams in the league you play in, a league that the city profits off of, especially when we are in the playoffs and the name of the city and pictures of the city are splashed all over various media outlets. You cant logically in good conscience put all the blame on the ownership and give zero to the politicos.

 

Where the ownership group failed was in tact. Simple as that. I dont want to see some local yahoo own this team simply because he is in the inner circle of the politicos who I trust zero.