For those of you who say South Florida is a bad sports market, it is really just a bad baseball market. The Dolphins and Heat have a good fan base, and that is because their ownership is willing to spend money to make the teams better. The Marlins have had too many firesales, and nobody wants to attach themselves to a team with players who will only be on the team for a few years, and when they get expensive, they get traded. South Florida is not a bad sports town, just a bad baseball town, and that's because of the terrible ownership that has plagued the Marlins.

Heat?

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

Look man, I've got season tickets for the Heat and just because it's filled doesn't mean that they're good fans. It's a big bandwagon and the chic place to be thanks to Wade and Shaq. The NBA is a different kind of fan culture, and the Heat have two of the biggest beacons, where were these great fans in '04?

 

Heck, the Dolphins too. One of the proudest franchises in the NFL shouldn't have to do a season ticket recruitment drive.

 

Just because teams look strong juxtaposed with the Marlins and Panthers doesn't make them strong. South Florida, as a market, is just pathetic.

For those of you who say South Florida is a bad sports market, it is really just a bad baseball market. The Dolphins and Heat have a good fan base, and that is because their ownership is willing to spend money to make the teams better. The Marlins have had too many firesales, and nobody wants to attach themselves to a team with players who will only be on the team for a few years, and when they get expensive, they get traded. South Florida is not a bad sports town, just a bad baseball town, and that's because of the terrible ownership that has plagued the Marlins.

 

You can't be serious.

 

The Marlins, at least under this ownership has had one "firesale", to use your word, that after a World Championship and $120 million spent for onfield payroll over two subsequent years trying to secure another.

 

Both the Dolphins and Heat operate under a cap of one sort or another, baseball does not, and it wasn't too long ago you could have any seat you wanted at a Heat game, regardless of the opponent or importance of the game.

 

And this isn't a bad baseball market, more specifically a bad Marlins market because otherwise you wouldn't have the fan interest reflected in their high tv ratings. If they were baseball fans and not Marlins fans they'd be watching their fave team on ESPN or TBS or a MLB cable package or on their dish, but they aren't (in any great #s) they are watching the Fish.

 

The reason is simple, they have given up on the venue - hell on earth otherwise known as Dolphin Stadium.

I agree that this is more of a football than a baseball town, but I remember in the '90s when my dad and I would drive up to Stuart to watch the blacked-out Dolphin games.

The reason is simple, they have given up on the venue - hell on earth otherwise known as Dolphin Stadium.

 

 

Jeffrey Loria...is that you?

 

I'm not even going to bother getting into it with you, but the spinning you just did was so severe, I'm dizzy.

This is just the same old stupid sh*t over and over. But it pisses me off every time. People aren't going to the games because they don't want to go to the games. If they wanted to go, they would. We could argue why they don't want to go forever, if you want, but the point remains the same--they don't want to go.

 

So, to recap, in case anything was missed:

 

YOU want them to go to the games. THEY do not want to go. YOU want them to spend THEIR money on something that THEY do not want to spend it on. And because THEY do not spend their money in ways that would match YOUR priorities, YOU want THEM to feel shame over this. Is this not completely ridiculous? I mean, I want you to pay for my dinner tonight, but if you decide your money would be better spent elsewhere, I'm not going to try to lay a guilt trip on you. If I did, you should kick me upside the head.

 

And anyone who writes a letter like that should be kicked upside the head. The only shame here should belong to the writer of that letter for trying to lay a guilt trip on people for not spending their time and money according to his own priorities.

 

It's just so ridiculous, and yet we continue to talk and talk about this stuff like there's any validity to any of it.

There's millions of homeless with their hands out, there's only 30 MLB teams

For those of you who say South Florida is a bad sports market, it is really just a bad baseball market. The Dolphins and Heat have a good fan base, and that is because their ownership is willing to spend money to make the teams better. The Marlins have had too many firesales, and nobody wants to attach themselves to a team with players who will only be on the team for a few years, and when they get expensive, they get traded. South Florida is not a bad sports town, just a bad baseball town, and that's because of the terrible ownership that has plagued the Marlins.

 

 

The common misconception is that South Florida doesn't have a lot of baseball fans. We have TONS of baseball fans...

 

Braves fans, Mets fans, Yankee fans, Cubs fans, Red Sox fans, and a few Marlins fans here and there.

For those of you who say South Florida is a bad sports market, it is really just a bad baseball market. The Dolphins and Heat have a good fan base, and that is because their ownership is willing to spend money to make the teams better. The Marlins have had too many firesales, and nobody wants to attach themselves to a team with players who will only be on the team for a few years, and when they get expensive, they get traded. South Florida is not a bad sports town, just a bad baseball town, and that's because of the terrible ownership that has plagued the Marlins.

 

Are you kidding me?

 

The HEAT have a terrible fan base. Shaq may have a good fan base, but the HEAT most certainly do not. I was a Heat season ticket holder in 2002, 2003, and 2004 and attendance was absolutely pathetic, fans were anemic, the arena would be half empty every single night, it was sad especially when we finally started to do well again with Lamar Odom. I remember when we finally got our first national TV game in something like more than 3 years so everyone was making a big deal about it because the national media has pretty much completely ignored the Heat even existed as an NBA team, much like they refuse to acknowledge the existence of the Marlins more often than not. The only time a Heat game ever sold out was when the Lakers were in town and all that bandwagoners with their Shaq jerseys showed up. Those Laker bandwagoners are the same people who now call themselves Heat fans.

 

The Heat's fanbase was just as bad as the Marlins until Shaq came along. And when Shaq retires, so will all these "lifetime" Heat fans. D-Wade isn't enough to keep the fans around.

 

People aren't going to the games because they don't want to go to the games. If they wanted to go, they would. We could argue why they don't want to go forever, if you want, but the point remains the same--they don't want to go.

 

+1

 

The chance of rain every night and the humidity is just an excuse to justify not going. The Heat have always had a roof in a climate controlled arena, yet nobody showed up for any of their games until Shaq came along.

 

If the Marlins do get a stadium, it will just be another excuse as to why fans aren't showing up. The fact of the matter is the fans down here for the most part absolutely suck (except the diehards of course).

The reason is simple, they have given up on the venue - hell on earth otherwise known as Dolphin Stadium.

 

 

Jeffrey Loria...is that you?

 

I'm not even going to bother getting into it with you, but the spinning you just did was so severe, I'm dizzy.

Still hitting the bottle in the middle of the day I see. Such a pity, you used to relevant, now you're just...well, you. :blink:

The reason is simple, they have given up on the venue - hell on earth otherwise known as Dolphin Stadium.

 

 

Jeffrey Loria...is that you?

 

I'm not even going to bother getting into it with you, but the spinning you just did was so severe, I'm dizzy.

Still hitting the bottle in the middle of the day I see. Such a pity, you used to relevant, now you're just...well, you. :blink:

 

Aaaaaaaaah, the irony.

 

"Relevant"