May 18, 200719 yr What does clutch mean, and what do these numbers represent? Yankeefan21.. are you going to answer that???? It's one of those fancy Jamesian numbers: "Clutch" is the name we've given to the portion of Bill James's Runs Created formula that includes the impact of a batter's batting average with runners in scoring position and the number of home runs with runners on. The specific formula is Hits with RISP minus overall BA times at bats with RISP, plus HR with runners on minus (all HR/AB) times at bats with runners on. This stat is not a definitive description of "clutch hitting," just one way of looking at it.
May 18, 200719 yr The fact that Cardinals fans want a change at SS and they dont sour on anybody should tell you something.(well, they do sour, but it takes a special Jason Marquis type player for it to happen...otherwise, its unheard of).
May 18, 200719 yr The fact that Cardinals fans want a change at SS and they dont sour on anybody should tell you something.(well, they do sour, but it takes a special Jason Marquis type player for it to happen...otherwise, its unheard of). That's because they see all the rest of these great SS's and they want the same. Everybody says he can't hit and he's this huge liability in the field. Okay. We've already shown that he gets on base, he doesn't K, and he's no worse than his peers in the clutch. What was his FP last year? .989? With an RF of 4.73? Ramirez was .963 and 4.34 respectively. Again, I'm not trying to say he's better than Hanley, I'm just using his stats for comparison. It's clearly a perception issue with Eckstein because everyone wants to see the longball. Again, I'm not saying he's the greatest ever or any such nonsense, but he certainly does not deserve to be called "aweful." This is what SS's used to be like before the offensive explosion.
May 18, 200719 yr If your trying to make a case for Eckstein not being bad dont bring defense into the discussion. Fielding %? Only a measure of the balls you can get to, and that isnt many. His range factor(the stat really has nothing to do with how much range a player has, because once again Eckstein is in the bottom half of MLB in actual range). His RF is influenced by Rolen. If you hit a ball into the gap and Eckstein fields it over Rolen, you are probably getting on with an infield single. Then theres the arm. Maybe, actually probably, the worst arm of any SS at the highest level. He has to crow hop to throw moderate runners out. I dont blame St. Louis for wanting a good defensive SS with power. They havent even seen good defense since Ozzie left at the position(Renteria, undeserved gold gloves notwithstanding, is not a good defensive SS...anywhere but St. Louis and he doesnt win one), and Renteria left a big void in power. Sadly, they dont have anyone in their organization that can fill that void as of yet.
May 18, 200719 yr The fact that Cardinals fans want a change at SS and they dont sour on anybody should tell you something.(well, they do sour, but it takes a special Jason Marquis type player for it to happen...otherwise, its unheard of). That's because they see all the rest of these great SS's and they want the same. Everybody says he can't hit and he's this huge liability in the field. Okay. We've already shown that he gets on base, he doesn't K, and he's no worse than his peers in the clutch. What was his FP last year? .989? With an RF of 4.73? Ramirez was .963 and 4.34 respectively. Again, I'm not trying to say he's better than Hanley, I'm just using his stats for comparison. It's clearly a perception issue with Eckstein because everyone wants to see the longball. Again, I'm not saying he's the greatest ever or any such nonsense, but he certainly does not deserve to be called "aweful." This is what SS's used to be like before the offensive explosion. This is what SS used to be. But if there has been an improvement in the position, then yes he is awful compared to his peers. Look at OPS+ or VORP3 and you'll find that he comes up short to almost everyone at the same position with the exception of like Adam Everett, but he's at least good at defense.
May 18, 200719 yr Everybody says he can't hit and he's this huge liability in the field. Okay. We've already shown that he gets on base, he doesn't K, and he's no worse than his peers in the clutch. What was his FP last year? .989? With an RF of 4.73? Ramirez was .963 and 4.34 respectively. Again, I'm not trying to say he's better than Hanley, I'm just using his stats for comparison. Are you saying that with a straight face? Eckstein's RISP: .063 / .273 / .063 These are not typos
May 18, 200719 yr Everybody says he can't hit and he's this huge liability in the field. Okay. We've already shown that he gets on base, he doesn't K, and he's no worse than his peers in the clutch. What was his FP last year? .989? With an RF of 4.73? Ramirez was .963 and 4.34 respectively. Again, I'm not trying to say he's better than Hanley, I'm just using his stats for comparison. Are you saying that with a straight face? Eckstein's RISP: .063 / .273 / .063 These are not typos I used the 2006 statistics since a month of baseball isn't really a good sample size. Raise your hand if you think Jorge Posada [.371] is going to win the AL batting title... Eckstein was -4.1 in the clutch versus -4.3 for Ramirez [Reyes 8.8 FWIW].
May 19, 200719 yr A year of baseball is not a good sample size for 'clutch.' 'Clutch' is a myth because nobody can show it over 600 ABs with RISP.
May 19, 200719 yr Jose Reyes is playing in a lineup that's totally loaded, Hanley would be considered the best if he played in New York. Anyone who watches the Mets play with any regularity will tell you Jose makes that offense, not the other way around. He is the catalyst of that loaded offense. But nevermind that, I think you're all missing the point of this article -- no matter you write down on the ballot, it is justified. All five are fantastic players.
May 19, 200719 yr Everybody says he can't hit and he's this huge liability in the field. Okay. We've already shown that he gets on base, he doesn't K, and he's no worse than his peers in the clutch. What was his FP last year? .989? With an RF of 4.73? Ramirez was .963 and 4.34 respectively. Again, I'm not trying to say he's better than Hanley, I'm just using his stats for comparison. Are you saying that with a straight face? Eckstein's RISP: .063 / .273 / .063 These are not typos I used the 2006 statistics since a month of baseball isn't really a good sample size. Raise your hand if you think Jorge Posada [.371] is going to win the AL batting title... Eckstein was -4.1 in the clutch versus -4.3 for Ramirez [Reyes 8.8 FWIW]. From before I knew that Hanley's '07 RISP numbers were crappy and that Jose's were pretty good so when I saw Eckstein's crappy '07 numbers I assumed that's what you were talking about. Anyway Eckstein's career RISP OPS is .703 and that's pretty crappy even for a SS so I don't know how it is that you figure that he's no worse than his peers in the clutch.
May 21, 200719 yr His GEQA is so high, it's not even funny. With the exception of Darrin Erstad, his GEQA is like 2 times higher than anyone in the league... It's sick. :lol @ the erstad quote, his grinder ratting is a sick 110%
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