there is no chance hermida is faster than amezaga

In the minors Jeremy stole bases at extremely high success rates which tells me he was pretty fast. Unless his speed disappeared over the past 2 years, which I don't think is the case, I think he's still pretty fast.

 

'03: 28 out of 30

'05: 23 out of 25

Jeremy looks so slow in the outfield. That is why I always thought of him as having average speed.

I would definitely rather have Amezaga hitting 2nd over Hermida.

 

Amezaga can do the little things that a 2nd hitter has to do in a lineup. The little things that have stopped us from playing consistent baseball.

 

Amezaga gives you someone that you can hit n run with, lay a bunt down to move up a runner or even hit the ball to the right side to get someone to third. How many times has the top of the order failed to do that? Those little things win ball games and thats what Amezaga can do. Having him in the 8 hole is pointless imo.

 

Hermida needs to be in a position to drive in runs. I dont want Hermida sacrificing himself to move the runner to 3b or laying down a bunt to advance a runner.

 

Hanley

Amezaga

Cabrera

Jake

Willingham

Hermida

Uggla

Olivo

 

That's my lineup.

Amezaga isn't a great bunter, basestealer or selective hitter. 68% SB%, yuck.

 

And you never want your 2-hole hitter a designated bunter.

Amezaga is the best bunter in the lineup. And he puts the ball in play which is what a 2 hole hitter is supposed to do.

 

He has the best bat control in the lineup. And since he's starting to hit well there is no reason in my eyes why he shouldnt be hitting 2nd.

 

.271 avg with a .331 obp isnt anywhere near a designated bunter.

Amezaga is the best bunter in the lineup. And he puts the ball in play which is what a 2 hole hitter is supposed to do.

 

He has the best bat control in the lineup. And since he's starting to hit well there is no reason in my eyes why he shouldnt be hitting 2nd.

 

.271 avg with a .331 obp isnt anywhere near a designated bunter.

I think you're giving him a little too much credit.

By best bat control in the lineup I am referring to being able to maybe shorten up and put the ball in play in situations that you need that groundball to the right side or given the hit and run. I think this is what a 2 hole hitter is supposed to do.

 

I just think that you could do so much more with him hitting 2nd.

hermida needs to be lower in the order so he can drive in runs, which he does better than alfredo

 

alfredo certainly bunts better than hermida and possesses much better bat control

By best bat control in the lineup I am referring to being able to maybe shorten up and put the ball in play in situations that you need that groundball to the right side or given the hit and run. I think this is what a 2 hole hitter is supposed to do.

 

I just think that you could do so much more with him hitting 2nd.

 

exactly

Amezaga is the best bunter in the lineup. And he puts the ball in play which is what a 2 hole hitter is supposed to do.

 

So does just about everyone save Uggla? Best bunter? Hardly. Dan's a better bunter. Uggla has more sacrifice bunts this season than Amezaga, and just from my own memory, Uggla's success rate is substantially higher. And even then, basing the 2-hole around the bunt is stupid. Bunting with the top half of the lineup is stupid. Hell, bunting before the 7th inning with anyone other than the pitcher is pretty stupid.

 

He has the best bat control in the lineup. And since he's starting to hit well there is no reason why he shouldnt be hitting 2nd.

 

Over state much? Hanley, Cabrera, Hermida. All can go the other way with a fastball substantially better. Just because Tommy wants you to believe that Amezaga is another Pierre, it doesn't mean that he is. Amezaga swings through a whole hell of a lot of stuff, and the reason he has so few strikeouts is because he's a tremendously impatient hitter. He jumps on early pitches and that's it. Even then, with everything conceivably going right, he's at his ceiling with a .270/.331/.337 line, Hermida, who has no where to go but up is at .246/.333/.440. That belongs in the 2-hole.

.271 avg with a .331 obp isnt anywhere near a designated bunter.

 

You were the one who outlined a key reason for Amezaga being in the 2-hole as bunting ability, not me. I don't want to build a lineup around the bunt, be my guest, though.

So does just about everyone save Uggla? Best bunter? Hardly. Dan's a better bunter. Uggla has more sacrifice bunts this season than Amezaga, and just from my own memory, Uggla's success rate is substantially higher. And even then, basing the 2-hole around the bunt is stupid. Bunting with the top half of the lineup is stupid. Hell, bunting before the 7th inning with anyone other than the pitcher is pretty stupid.

 

Ok you can argue that Uggla is just as good if not better than Amezaga but my argument isnt just about the bunt. Its about being able to put the ball in play in situations that you need those little things and he does that better than Uggla or Hermida. Both of them strike out way too much to be hitting in the 2 hole and you rather hit and run with Amezaga.

 

 

 

Over state much? Hanley, Cabrera, Hermida. All can go the other way with a fastball substantially better. Just because Tommy wants you to believe that Amezaga is another Pierre, it doesn't mean that he is. Amezaga swings through a whole hell of a lot of stuff, and the reason he has so few strikeouts is because he's a tremendously impatient hitter. He jumps on early pitches and that's it. Even then, with everything conceivably going right, he's at his ceiling with a .270/.331/.337 line, Hermida, who has no where to go but up is at .246/.333/.440.

 

Oh yea you are 100 percent right. I dont have my own personal thoughts all I do is listen to Tommy and he is my almighty baseball power. And btw check out stats and Amezaga is having a better season than pierre is.

 

I agree with you that Hanley and Cabrera go the other way better than Alfredo. But since Hermida is lefty he would have to pull the ball and he does not have the bat control that amezaga does to put the ball on the ground to the right side. Also he strikes out way too much to be in those situations late in games.

 

And what's wrong with jumping on early pitches? You see a pitch that you like and you hit it.

 

You were the one who outlined a key reason for Amezaga being in the 2-hole as bunting ability, not me. I don't want to build a lineup around the bunt, be my guest, though.

 

Its funny that you are focusing just on my bunt statement and completely ignoring the rest of the post. I know your hard on for Hermida and dont get wrong I think hes going to be a great player. But right now I dont think he is the best option to be hitting 2nd. I rather see him driving in runs

So does just about everyone save Uggla? Best bunter? Hardly. Dan's a better bunter. Uggla has more sacrifice bunts this season than Amezaga, and just from my own memory, Uggla's success rate is substantially higher. And even then, basing the 2-hole around the bunt is stupid. Bunting with the top half of the lineup is stupid. Hell, bunting before the 7th inning with anyone other than the pitcher is pretty stupid.

 

Ok you can argue that Uggla is just as good if not better than Amezaga but my argument isnt just about the bunt. Its about being able to put the ball in play in situations that you need those little things and he does that better than Uggla or Hermida. Both of them strike out way too much to be hitting in the 2 hole.

 

 

 

Over state much? Hanley, Cabrera, Hermida. All can go the other way with a fastball substantially better. Just because Tommy wants you to believe that Amezaga is another Pierre, it doesn't mean that he is. Amezaga swings through a whole hell of a lot of stuff, and the reason he has so few strikeouts is because he's a tremendously impatient hitter. He jumps on early pitches and that's it. Even then, with everything conceivably going right, he's at his ceiling with a .270/.331/.337 line, Hermida, who has no where to go but up is at .246/.333/.440. That belongs in the 2-hole.

.271 avg with a .331 obp isnt anywhere near a designated bunter.

 

Oh yea you are 100 percent right. I dont have my own personal thoughts all I do is listen to Tommy and he is my almighty baseball power. And btw check out stats and Amezaga is having a better season than pierre is.

 

I agree with you that Hanley and Cabrera go the other way better than Alfredo. But since Hermida is lefty he would have to pull the ball and he does not have the bat control that amezaga does to put the ball on the ground to the right side. Also he strikes out way too much to be in those situations late in games.

 

And what's wrong with jumping on early pitches? You see a pitch that you like and you hit it.

 

You were the one who outlined a key reason for Amezaga being in the 2-hole as bunting ability, not me. I don't want to build a lineup around the bunt, be my guest, though.

 

Its funny that you are focusing just on my bunt statement and completely ignoring the rest of the post. I know your hard on for Hermida and dont get wrong I think hes going to be a great player. But right now I dont think he is the best option to be hitting 2nd. I rather see him driving in runs

 

Ummm, you know Amezaga's basically only effective as a left-handed hitter, right? If you're going to hit and run, pulling is out the window, you're meant to go the other way, out of Amezaga and Uggla and Hermida, only one of them goes the other way exceptionally well consistently. And since I understand maybe half of what you're trying to say since it's so all over the place, if you're suggesting that hitting lefthanded is a detriment to Hermida's 2-hole ability, well then, I'm done with this.

 

As for the rest of this gibberish, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Uggla's terrible right now, but the fact that Uggla's terrible doesn't make your argument right. In every conceivable measure of a 2-hole hitter, Hermida is markedly better than Amezaga. Hermida walks more, Hermida's more likely to hit for extra bases, Hermida sees more pitches, Hermida has better strike zone judgement.

 

Until you get a clue and are willing to think outside of the fast=top of the order bulls***, it's going to be a forever back and forth with a brick wall.

So does just about everyone save Uggla? Best bunter? Hardly. Dan's a better bunter. Uggla has more sacrifice bunts this season than Amezaga, and just from my own memory, Uggla's success rate is substantially higher. And even then, basing the 2-hole around the bunt is stupid. Bunting with the top half of the lineup is stupid. Hell, bunting before the 7th inning with anyone other than the pitcher is pretty stupid.

 

Ok you can argue that Uggla is just as good if not better than Amezaga but my argument isnt just about the bunt. Its about being able to put the ball in play in situations that you need those little things and he does that better than Uggla or Hermida. Both of them strike out way too much to be hitting in the 2 hole.

 

 

 

Over state much? Hanley, Cabrera, Hermida. All can go the other way with a fastball substantially better. Just because Tommy wants you to believe that Amezaga is another Pierre, it doesn't mean that he is. Amezaga swings through a whole hell of a lot of stuff, and the reason he has so few strikeouts is because he's a tremendously impatient hitter. He jumps on early pitches and that's it. Even then, with everything conceivably going right, he's at his ceiling with a .270/.331/.337 line, Hermida, who has no where to go but up is at .246/.333/.440. That belongs in the 2-hole.

.271 avg with a .331 obp isnt anywhere near a designated bunter.

 

Oh yea you are 100 percent right. I dont have my own personal thoughts all I do is listen to Tommy and he is my almighty baseball power. And btw check out stats and Amezaga is having a better season than pierre is.

 

I agree with you that Hanley and Cabrera go the other way better than Alfredo. But since Hermida is lefty he would have to pull the ball and he does not have the bat control that amezaga does to put the ball on the ground to the right side. Also he strikes out way too much to be in those situations late in games.

 

And what's wrong with jumping on early pitches? You see a pitch that you like and you hit it.

 

You were the one who outlined a key reason for Amezaga being in the 2-hole as bunting ability, not me. I don't want to build a lineup around the bunt, be my guest, though.

 

Its funny that you are focusing just on my bunt statement and completely ignoring the rest of the post. I know your hard on for Hermida and dont get wrong I think hes going to be a great player. But right now I dont think he is the best option to be hitting 2nd. I rather see him driving in runs

 

Ummm, you know Amezaga's basically only effective as a left-handed hitter, right? If you're going to hit and run, pulling is out the window, you're meant to go the other way, out of Amezaga and Uggla and Hermida, only one of them goes the other way exceptionally well consistently. And since I understand maybe half of what you're trying to say since it's so all over the place, if you're suggesting that hitting lefthanded is a detriment to Hermida's 2-hole ability, well then, I'm done with this.

 

As for the rest of this gibberish, I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Uggla's terrible right now, but the fact that Uggla's terrible doesn't make your argument right. In every conceivable measure of a 2-hole hitter, Hermida is markedly better than Amezaga. Hermida walks more, Hermida's more likely to hit for extra bases, Hermida sees more pitches, Hermida has better strike zone judgement.

 

Until you get a clue and are willing to think outside of the fast=top of the order bulls***, it's going to be a forever back and forth with a brick wall.

Tell me where im my posts have I said anything about speed? You are adding words to my mouth.

 

What I've been trying to say.

1- Amezaga puts the ball in play much more than Hermida for this reason you rather hit and run with him.

2- In terms of pulling the ball...with a runner on 2nd and no outs you want at least a groundball on the right side from your 2 hole hitter. Better chance that Amezaga does that.

3- Hermida is the better hitter but I want him hitting later in the order so that he could drive in runs. Not do the little things that you want out of your 2 hole hitter.

4- I rather use Amezaga to lay a bunt down to get a runner in scoring position for Miggy than to use Hermida

5- I think its funny that you accuse everyone else of having a brick wall.

 

Little things like this win close ball games.

2- In terms of pulling the ball...with a runner on 2nd and no outs you want at least a groundball on the right side from your 2 hole hitter. Better chance that Amezaga does that.

RISP w/ < 2 outs:

 

Amezaga: .197/.268/.279/.546

Hermida: .271/.373/.563/.935

2- In terms of pulling the ball...with a runner on 2nd and no outs you want at least a groundball on the right side from your 2 hole hitter. Better chance that Amezaga does that.

RISP w/ < 2 outs:

 

Amezaga: .197/.268/.279/.546

Hermida: .271/.373/.563/.935

 

That stat is just Hermida with RISP.

 

But you are right, Hermida is the better hitter.

 

Tell me this. Is there a better chance that he hits with RISP hitting 2nd or hitting 6th?

2- In terms of pulling the ball...with a runner on 2nd and no outs you want at least a groundball on the right side from your 2 hole hitter. Better chance that Amezaga does that.

RISP w/ < 2 outs:

 

Amezaga: .197/.268/.279/.546

Hermida: .271/.373/.563/.935

 

That stat is just Hermida with RISP.

 

But you are right, Hermida is the better hitter.

 

Tell me this. Is there a better chance that he hits with RISP hitting 2nd or hitting 6th?

Your argument that he would be less of a hitter in the number 2 spot is bogus.

Less of a hitter?

 

This is just an Old School to New School argument.

 

I rather have a 2nd hitter that can drop a bunt and hit and run. Basically someone that can do the little things.

 

And I rather have my run producers a little lower in the order.

 

What's so bogus about this argument?

Less of a hitter?

 

This is just an Old School to New School argument.

 

I rather have a 2nd hitter that can drop a bunt and hit and run. Basically someone that can do the little things.

 

And I rather have my run producers a little lower in the order.

 

What's so bogus about this argument?

You said there's a better chance Amezaga drives in a run in the number 2 spot than Hermida. Also, Amezaga does not have better bat control than Hermida. Might want to choose your words more carefully.

No offense because I love Alfredo, but there is no way he has better bat controll than Jeremy. There is also no way he is a better bunter, in fact Jeremy has really impressed with his ability to bunt for hits thus far. Hermida also has a better eye, and more potential.

 

Put his swing in front of Cabrera and you have something beautiful.

Maybe Im wrong here but if Hermida has so much "speed" than why does he look like he has a Clydesdale horse strapped on his back when he's running after fly balls in RF?

 

 

I mean lets call a spade a spade here. He's the type of kid you build an offensive line up around but his defense his horrible. I know what my eyes see when Im at the park or watching on television. He's a bull in a china shop in RF.

Less of a hitter?

 

This is just an Old School to New School argument.

 

I rather have a 2nd hitter that can drop a bunt and hit and run. Basically someone that can do the little things.

 

And I rather have my run producers a little lower in the order.

 

What's so bogus about this argument?

You said there's a better chance Amezaga drives in a run in the number 2 spot than Hermida. Also, Amezaga does not have better bat control than Hermida. Might want to choose your words more carefully.

 

Thats not what I said.

 

What im saying is that Hermida has a better chance driving in runs from the 6 hole than he does from the 2 hole.

 

And I completely disagree with that the last statement. Amezaga has far better bat control than hermida does.

Less of a hitter?

 

This is just an Old School to New School argument.

 

I rather have a 2nd hitter that can drop a bunt and hit and run. Basically someone that can do the little things.

 

And I rather have my run producers a little lower in the order.

 

What's so bogus about this argument?

You said there's a better chance Amezaga drives in a run in the number 2 spot than Hermida. Also, Amezaga does not have better bat control than Hermida. Might want to choose your words more carefully.

 

Thats not what I said.

 

What im saying is that Hermida has a better chance driving in runs from the 6 hole than he does from the 2 hole.

 

And I completely disagree with that the last statement. Amezaga has far better bat control than hermida does.

No offense because I love Alfredo, but there is no way he has better bat controll than Jeremy. There is also no way he is a better bunter, in fact Jeremy has really impressed with his ability to bunt for hits thus far. Hermida also has a better eye, and more potential.

 

Put his swing in front of Cabrera and you have something beautiful.

 

I'm not talking about bunting for a hit. I mean sacrificing yourself to move a runner over. Personally I dont want Jeremy ever doing that.

 

He needs to drive in runs and I feel that we would be a better team if we had someone doing that in the 2 hole spot.

No offense because I love Alfredo, but there is no way he has better bat controll than Jeremy. There is also no way he is a better bunter, in fact Jeremy has really impressed with his ability to bunt for hits thus far. Hermida also has a better eye, and more potential.

 

Put his swing in front of Cabrera and you have something beautiful.

 

I'm not talking about bunting for a hit. I mean sacrificing yourself to move a runner over. Personally I dont want Jeremy ever doing that.

 

He needs to drive in runs and I feel that we would be a better team if we had someone doing that in the 2 hole spot.