the running back position is the least of our problems...by far...lets focus on helping out our weaknesses

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

This is Ronnie's third year in the league and he just had the two best games of his career, let's not crown this guy just yet. I have confidence that Ronnie will continue to be a better RB, but right now in college football there is Darren McFadden and about 10 miles down the road there is everyone else. HE'S THAT GOOD.

The Dolphins passing up McFaddon if he's there is worse than passing up Reggie Bush. If McFaddon doesn't have a great family, at least trade down.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

No matter what, Cleo Lemon must start in Houston.

the more mcfadden is hyped...the more i think we should go after defense...especially being that our defense sucks...kenny phillips would sure look good in a fins uni

Here is the remaing schedule, how do you think they finish?

 

 

Oct 7 @Houston 1:00pm L

Oct 14 @Cleveland 1:00pm W

Oct 21 New England 1:00pm L

Oct 28 N.Y. Giants 1:00pm W

Week 9 BYE

Nov 11 Buffalo 1:00pm L

Nov 18 @Philadelphia 1:00pm L

Nov 26 @Pittsburgh 8:30pm L

Dec 2 N.Y. Jets 1:00pm W

Dec 9 @Buffalo 1:00pm L

Dec 16 Baltimore 1:00pm L

Dec 23 @New England 1:00pm L

Dec 30 Cincinnati 1:00pm L

The Dolphins passing up McFaddon if he's there is worse than passing up Reggie Bush. If McFaddon doesn't have a great family, at least trade down.

 

Lets see how Reggie Bush does as the #1 back before we start proclaiming him as an awesome running back.

 

 

If I were the dolphins I would only draft McFaddon as long as they could unload Ronnie Brown. The dolphins have a lot of holes, and adding to a strength isnt going to stop teams from rushing for 300 yards.

 

Jason Taylor needs to pick up his play if the dolphins want to trade him. However if the dolphins can get something for him, why not trade him? Its like the 76ers in basketball. If you are going to miss the playoffs with AI, why not miss the playoffs without him and start over.

The Dolphins passing up McFaddon if he's there is worse than passing up Reggie Bush. If McFaddon doesn't have a great family, at least trade down.

 

Lets see how Reggie Bush does as the #1 back before we start proclaiming him as an awesome running back.

 

 

If I were the dolphins I would only draft McFaddon as long as they could unload Ronnie Brown. The dolphins have a lot of holes, and adding to a strength isnt going to stop teams from rushing for 300 yards.

 

Jason Taylor needs to pick up his play if the dolphins want to trade him. However if the dolphins can get something for him, why not trade him? Its like the 76ers in basketball. If you are going to miss the playoffs with AI, why not miss the playoffs without him and start over.

 

Because in the NBA you don't take a cap hit if you make a trade. A late 1st round pick and a cap hit isn't worth it for JT. It just creates yet another hole.

 

As it stands right now, the Dolphins need to fix the offensive and defensive tackle positions, the corner-backs, the safeties (although Bell getting healthy will be tremendous) and ascertain if Beck is a cornerstone. If nothing else, Taylor makes you not have to worry about fixing the OLB or DE position immediately. Yes he's been a tremendous disappointment this year. Yes it shows that he didn't play in the preseason, but he still has 3 or 4 years left, especially if he moves off the line and to linebacker. The Dolphins desperately need some form of certainty.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

Any team with a good running game is going to beat us. BTW Vonnie Holliday likely out the next two weeks which is'nt a good thing because he's been our best DL but it lets us see what we have in Rod Wright who'll start in his place.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

 

No you don't. We're in this position now because we thought we NEEDED a WR when we could have used any number of positions, and not just bemoaning the Brady Quinn pick. Okoye, Revis and Willis all would have been better "take the best player" picks instead of take what you need who cares about talent or value for a high-pick selections.

 

I know you're not a Dolphin fan, and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting this on, but let's pretend the Dolphins take the best player on the board last season, and they don't believe it to be Brady Quinn. We'd have ended up with Okoye or Willis. Both of those guys sure would have been HUGE for this team right now, even if we didn't think we'd necessarily need them this year. Instead we decided this team NEEDED a Devin Hester type return guy because the offense could only move 30 or 40 yards at a time. Now the defense looks old, the player of need is already a huge let-down and nobody walks away from that draft a winner? Why, because we allowed a perception of need to cloud value.

 

So, to conclude, you take the best player at the pick and figure it out later, or you allow a team that needs that player to pay the ransom price for that player. You don't get better if you don't maximize value, especially with a top-10 pick.

It's really pathetic how Ginn has returned kicks this year considering that's really the only thing he can do. He'll never be anything more a decent receiver in the NFL.

It's really pathetic how Ginn has returned kicks this year considering that's really the only thing he can do. He'll never be anything more a decent receiver in the NFL.

 

He'll be lucky to be a decent receiver. There has to be something terribly wrong if he's a top-10 pick and he can't get consistent slot-time over Hagan.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

 

No you don't. We're in this position now because we thought we NEEDED a WR when we could have used any number of positions, and not just bemoaning the Brady Quinn pick. Okoye, Revis and Willis all would have been better "take the best player" picks instead of take what you need who cares about talent or value for a high-pick selections.

 

I know you're not a Dolphin fan, and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting this on, but let's pretend the Dolphins take the best player on the board last season, and they don't believe it to be Brady Quinn. We'd have ended up with Okoye or Willis. Both of those guys sure would have been HUGE for this team right now, even if we didn't think we'd necessarily need them this year. Instead we decided this team NEEDED a Devin Hester type return guy because the offense could only move 30 or 40 yards at a time. Now the defense looks old, the player of need is already a huge let-down and nobody walks away from that draft a winner? Why, because we allowed a perception of need to cloud value.

 

So, to conclude, you take the best player at the pick and figure it out later, or you allow a team that needs that player to pay the ransom price for that player. You don't get better if you don't maximize value, especially with a top-10 pick.

 

I'm not baiting people, lets get that clear. For a while now people have been saying that the dolphins defense is old. This year it has finally hit the wall.

 

Ginn wasnt even the best receiver in the draft last season. The truth is when he was drafted Cameron referred to him as a kick returner and not a WR. Furthermore, the dolphins already had a good returner/wr in Welker which they traded away.

 

What does drafting McFadden actually accomplish? They have so many holes on defense, that they should draft to fix weaknesses, not strengths. If you allow 800 yards in 4 games, I dont care if you have Walter Payton and Emmit Smith in the backfield, you will still go 0-4.

It's really pathetic how Ginn has returned kicks this year considering that's really the only thing he can do. He'll never be anything more a decent receiver in the NFL.

 

He'll be lucky to be a decent receiver. There has to be something terribly wrong if he's a top-10 pick and he can't get consistent slot-time over Hagan.

 

Well he can thank the dolphins for making him a top 10 pick. He was considered a later first rounder going into the draft.

Drafting McFaddon is drafting the best player in the draft by far. We already have a QB (supposedly, we need to see how Beck will do) so you take the best player available, especially when the choice is that obvious and the margin between McFaddon and everyone else is huge. You don't worry about filling in holes on your roster when your entire damn roster is one huge gaping hole.

if cameron doesnt make our defense younger and faster, he will be be digging his own coaching grave

Drafting McFaddon is drafting the best player in the draft by far. We already have a QB (supposedly, we need to see how Beck will do) so you take the best player available, especially when the choice is that obvious and the margin between McFaddon and everyone else is huge. You don't worry about filling in holes on your roster when your entire damn roster is one huge gaping hole.

 

Everyone has their own opinion. I believe you only draft best available if you are a decent team. If you have a glaring weakness, then you need to address it. The only way I would be in favor or McFaddon (if I were a dolphins fan) is if they traded Brown away. How bad would it look if they drafted a RB at #2 in 2005 and then turned around and drafted another RB at #2 in 2008?

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

 

No you don't. We're in this position now because we thought we NEEDED a WR when we could have used any number of positions, and not just bemoaning the Brady Quinn pick. Okoye, Revis and Willis all would have been better "take the best player" picks instead of take what you need who cares about talent or value for a high-pick selections.

 

I know you're not a Dolphin fan, and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting this on, but let's pretend the Dolphins take the best player on the board last season, and they don't believe it to be Brady Quinn. We'd have ended up with Okoye or Willis. Both of those guys sure would have been HUGE for this team right now, even if we didn't think we'd necessarily need them this year. Instead we decided this team NEEDED a Devin Hester type return guy because the offense could only move 30 or 40 yards at a time. Now the defense looks old, the player of need is already a huge let-down and nobody walks away from that draft a winner? Why, because we allowed a perception of need to cloud value.

 

So, to conclude, you take the best player at the pick and figure it out later, or you allow a team that needs that player to pay the ransom price for that player. You don't get better if you don't maximize value, especially with a top-10 pick.

 

I'm not baiting people, lets get that clear. For a while now people have been saying that the dolphins defense is old. This year it has finally hit the wall.

 

Ginn wasnt even the best receiver in the draft last season. The truth is when he was drafted Cameron referred to him as a kick returner and not a WR. Furthermore, the dolphins already had a good returner/wr in Welker which they traded away.

 

What does drafting McFadden actually accomplish? They have so many holes on defense, that they should draft to fix weaknesses, not strengths. If you allow 800 yards in 4 games, I dont care if you have Walter Payton and Emmit Smith in the backfield, you will still go 0-4.

 

Here's the thing. We're now on a very short list of teams to have the #1 pick. We'll really be lucky to win 3 games this season. McFadden is a once in a decade type talent. He really is Tomlinson 2.0. I love Ronnie Brown, I own his jersey, but you don't let what you have influence what you pick, especially with the #1 pick. Someone will give you something sexy for McFadden if you don't want him, but to just completely pass on him is stupid, especially with the gap between him and other #1 hopefuls like Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey so great.

 

To me, this is very reminiscent of the Eli Manning draft. The gap between #1 and everyone else on draft day was perceived as so drastic, that even a team that knew he'd never play a single down for them couldn't let that value slip away. I'd say the Chargers did alright for themselves with that method.

 

There are many intelligent ways to go about this kind of draft with the #1 pick, but using the #1 pick on the 3rd or 4th best player because of need is not it.

Drafting McFaddon is drafting the best player in the draft by far. We already have a QB (supposedly, we need to see how Beck will do) so you take the best player available, especially when the choice is that obvious and the margin between McFaddon and everyone else is huge. You don't worry about filling in holes on your roster when your entire damn roster is one huge gaping hole.

 

Everyone has their own opinion. I believe you only draft best available if you are a decent team. If you have a glaring weakness, then you need to address it. The only way I would be in favor or McFaddon (if I were a dolphins fan) is if they traded Brown away. How bad would it look if they drafted a RB at #2 in 2005 and then turned around and drafted another RB at #2 in 2008?

 

1) McFadden won't be the #2 pick.

 

2) WHO CARES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? The Dolphins have spent the better part of a decade worrying about appeasing the fans rather than getting better.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

 

No you don't. We're in this position now because we thought we NEEDED a WR when we could have used any number of positions, and not just bemoaning the Brady Quinn pick. Okoye, Revis and Willis all would have been better "take the best player" picks instead of take what you need who cares about talent or value for a high-pick selections.

 

I know you're not a Dolphin fan, and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting this on, but let's pretend the Dolphins take the best player on the board last season, and they don't believe it to be Brady Quinn. We'd have ended up with Okoye or Willis. Both of those guys sure would have been HUGE for this team right now, even if we didn't think we'd necessarily need them this year. Instead we decided this team NEEDED a Devin Hester type return guy because the offense could only move 30 or 40 yards at a time. Now the defense looks old, the player of need is already a huge let-down and nobody walks away from that draft a winner? Why, because we allowed a perception of need to cloud value.

 

So, to conclude, you take the best player at the pick and figure it out later, or you allow a team that needs that player to pay the ransom price for that player. You don't get better if you don't maximize value, especially with a top-10 pick.

 

I'm not baiting people, lets get that clear. For a while now people have been saying that the dolphins defense is old. This year it has finally hit the wall.

 

Ginn wasnt even the best receiver in the draft last season. The truth is when he was drafted Cameron referred to him as a kick returner and not a WR. Furthermore, the dolphins already had a good returner/wr in Welker which they traded away.

 

What does drafting McFadden actually accomplish? They have so many holes on defense, that they should draft to fix weaknesses, not strengths. If you allow 800 yards in 4 games, I dont care if you have Walter Payton and Emmit Smith in the backfield, you will still go 0-4.

 

Here's the thing. We're now on a very short list of teams to have the #1 pick. We'll really be lucky to win 3 games this season. McFadden is a once in a decade type talent. He really is Tomlinson 2.0. I love Ronnie Brown, I own his jersey, but you don't let what you have influence what you pick, especially with the #1 pick. Someone will give you something sexy for McFadden if you don't want him, but to just completely pass on him is stupid, especially with the gap between him and other #1 hopefuls like Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey so great.

 

To me, this is very reminiscent of the Eli Manning draft. The gap between #1 and everyone else on draft day was perceived as so drastic, that even a team that knew he'd never play a single down for them couldn't let that value slip away. I'd say the Chargers did alright for themselves with that method.

 

There are many intelligent ways to go about this kind of draft with the #1 pick, but using the #1 pick on the 3rd or 4th best player because of need is not it.

 

I guess we'll have to see where the dolphins finish before we have this discussion. But if they finish with the worst record in the NFL and allow over 3,000 yards rushing, then they would be foolish to not address defense. The only way that drafting McFaddon makes sense. is if you are prepared to be terrible again in 08 and spend two years rebuilding (imo).

Drafting McFaddon is drafting the best player in the draft by far. We already have a QB (supposedly, we need to see how Beck will do) so you take the best player available, especially when the choice is that obvious and the margin between McFaddon and everyone else is huge. You don't worry about filling in holes on your roster when your entire damn roster is one huge gaping hole.

 

Everyone has their own opinion. I believe you only draft best available if you are a decent team. If you have a glaring weakness, then you need to address it. The only way I would be in favor or McFaddon (if I were a dolphins fan) is if they traded Brown away. How bad would it look if they drafted a RB at #2 in 2005 and then turned around and drafted another RB at #2 in 2008?

 

1) McFadden won't be the #2 pick.

 

2) WHO CARES WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? The Dolphins have spent the better part of a decade worrying about appeasing the fans rather than getting better.

If that was the case, they would have drafted a QB 5 years ago.

As mentioned earlier, Ronnie leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage. I would much rather get a DT or defensive back...even if McFaddon looks incredible.

 

Fine, but you don't PASS on him. You either take him or you trade out of the spot.

 

Yes you do. If DL is the biggest need, then thats what you get. Lets just take a look at some stats. The horrid jets run defense has allowed 450 yards this year, while the dolphins have allowed 797 yards!

 

Dolphins Dline starters (per sportsline)

 

Jason Taylor age 33, will be 34 by the start of next season

Vonnie Holliday turns 32 in a few months

Keith Traylor age 38

 

notice anything?

 

No you don't. We're in this position now because we thought we NEEDED a WR when we could have used any number of positions, and not just bemoaning the Brady Quinn pick. Okoye, Revis and Willis all would have been better "take the best player" picks instead of take what you need who cares about talent or value for a high-pick selections.

 

I know you're not a Dolphin fan, and I'm pretty sure you're just baiting this on, but let's pretend the Dolphins take the best player on the board last season, and they don't believe it to be Brady Quinn. We'd have ended up with Okoye or Willis. Both of those guys sure would have been HUGE for this team right now, even if we didn't think we'd necessarily need them this year. Instead we decided this team NEEDED a Devin Hester type return guy because the offense could only move 30 or 40 yards at a time. Now the defense looks old, the player of need is already a huge let-down and nobody walks away from that draft a winner? Why, because we allowed a perception of need to cloud value.

 

So, to conclude, you take the best player at the pick and figure it out later, or you allow a team that needs that player to pay the ransom price for that player. You don't get better if you don't maximize value, especially with a top-10 pick.

 

I'm not baiting people, lets get that clear. For a while now people have been saying that the dolphins defense is old. This year it has finally hit the wall.

 

Ginn wasnt even the best receiver in the draft last season. The truth is when he was drafted Cameron referred to him as a kick returner and not a WR. Furthermore, the dolphins already had a good returner/wr in Welker which they traded away.

 

What does drafting McFadden actually accomplish? They have so many holes on defense, that they should draft to fix weaknesses, not strengths. If you allow 800 yards in 4 games, I dont care if you have Walter Payton and Emmit Smith in the backfield, you will still go 0-4.

 

Here's the thing. We're now on a very short list of teams to have the #1 pick. We'll really be lucky to win 3 games this season. McFadden is a once in a decade type talent. He really is Tomlinson 2.0. I love Ronnie Brown, I own his jersey, but you don't let what you have influence what you pick, especially with the #1 pick. Someone will give you something sexy for McFadden if you don't want him, but to just completely pass on him is stupid, especially with the gap between him and other #1 hopefuls like Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey so great.

 

To me, this is very reminiscent of the Eli Manning draft. The gap between #1 and everyone else on draft day was perceived as so drastic, that even a team that knew he'd never play a single down for them couldn't let that value slip away. I'd say the Chargers did alright for themselves with that method.

 

There are many intelligent ways to go about this kind of draft with the #1 pick, but using the #1 pick on the 3rd or 4th best player because of need is not it.

 

I guess we'll have to see where the dolphins finish before we have this discussion. But if they finish with the worst record in the NFL and allow over 3,000 yards rushing, then they would be foolish to not address defense. The only way that drafting McFaddon makes sense. is if you are prepared to be terrible again in 08 and spend two years rebuilding (imo).

 

Now you're just contradicting yourself. If the only thing separating the Dolphins from being 'good' or 'rebuilding' is a DT, we'll find one in the offseason without dropping the #1 overall pick on it.

 

If we need a lot of help, we maximize value from the pick. If we follow the Chargers Eli-Manning mold, so be it. If we trade Ronnie Brown, so be it. If we trade down and follow the Chargers Michael Vick mold, so be it.