I'll take Longoria, Navarro, Mcgee, Upton, Davis, Kazmir.

 

But Tb would be crazy to do that for one player, thats why its so tough to trade a guy like him.

 

That can't be serious.

 

That would be like us giving up Miggy, Hermida, Dontrelle, Gaby Hernandez, and RVH for A-Rod

 

Fixed... gotta make the talent difference at least somewhat realistic

I can see this is going to be a really l o n g off-season.

 

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But a couple things do come to mind. Ramp is correct, if Miggie is to get traded it's the auction route, open to all bidders.

 

How do we know it's not? What do you guys think is supposed to happen? Take out full page ads in USA Today and national TV and radio ads saying Miggy For Sale?? For all we know this could be general knowledge for all GMs. It's not like the rumors haven't been around for quite some time.

 

I think if Miggy is on the trading block, and I think he is, then it is well known to every one. Just one offer to a team and other GMs are going to know about it anyways. It's not like it is some big conspiracy thing either. GMs will keep quiet about it for fear of tipping their hand on what they are offering, and to not have their fans getting all excited or ticked off.

I mean, we can't seriously think we are contenders next year without major overhaul. I don't think Miguel and Dontrelle are going to last until May, so what other team can package the A talent prospects that fit our needs like TB can? Can the package be a little better than that? Of course it could... but not that much better.

 

I didn't create the trade scenario... just heard it.

 

I think a trade with TB would be funny. Miggy to another small market team would infuriate his agents. But Tampa has got to realize that it wouldn't be long term with him. He would be leaving when he is eligible for FA, and I doubt his agents will allow him to sign anything long term with any team that is not large market. They KNOW that a large market team gives Miggy the opportunity to at least triple his income with endorsements, etc... For this reason alone I think any trade with Tampa involving Miggy is pure rumor with no back bone to it. Would you trade the farm for a 2 year rental player??

i wouldnt be too upset if we traded him to sf for a package built around lincecum and/or cain.

I mean, we can't seriously think we are contenders next year without major overhaul. I don't think Miguel and Dontrelle are going to last until May, so what other team can package the A talent prospects that fit our needs like TB can? Can the package be a little better than that? Of course it could... but not that much better.

 

I didn't create the trade scenario... just heard it.

 

I think a trade with TB would be funny. Miggy to another small market team would infuriate his agents. But Tampa has got to realize that it wouldn't be long term with him. He would be leaving when he is eligible for FA, and I doubt his agents will allow him to sign anything long term with any team that is not large market. They KNOW that a large market team gives Miggy the opportunity to at least triple his income with endorsements, etc... For this reason alone I think any trade with Tampa involving Miggy is pure rumor with no back bone to it. Would you trade the farm for a 2 year rental player??

 

TB would be in no way trading away the farm. Due to their expansion and all around suckiness they have the deepest and most talented system by a long shot.

...TB would be in no way trading away the farm.

 

The thing is if the Marlins were going to trade Miggy at this point in his career for only prospects, TB or any other team would have to trade away the farm to even have a shot.

I'm nauseated by the thought of trading Cabrera. It's a huge mistake for the franchise and there's a reason a player "like" Miggy has never been traded while still in arbitration.

 

However, to discuss a hypothetical, I'd just about kill myself if the return is centered around pitching coming back. That'd be flat out moronic.

I'm nauseated by the thought of trading Cabrera. It's a huge mistake for the franchise and there's a reason a player "like" Miggy has never been traded while still in arbitration.

 

However, to discuss a hypothetical, I'd just about kill myself if the return is centered around pitching coming back. That'd be flat out moronic.

 

moronic? why? you can never have too much pitching. see exhibit a: 2007 marlins pitching rotation injuries.

I'm nauseated by the thought of trading Cabrera. It's a huge mistake for the franchise and there's a reason a player "like" Miggy has never been traded while still in arbitration.

 

However, to discuss a hypothetical, I'd just about kill myself if the return is centered around pitching coming back. That'd be flat out moronic.

 

moronic? why? you can never have too much pitching. see exhibit a: 2007 marlins pitching rotation injuries.

 

For one, all the Marlins have in droves is young pitching. The next blue chip position prospect we get will be our first since Hanley.

 

You don't rob Peter to pay Paul for franchise construction. We've got a very good young offense. There's good young pitching (and lost of it) on the way. Miggy is part of our good young offense. If we trade Miggy, we need to ensure that our good young offense does not take a dip.

There

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No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

There

Is

No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

 

thats a pretty bold statement. id say that pitching prospects are more of a crapshoot than position players, but saying that there is no such thing goes a little far...

I'm nauseated by the thought of trading Cabrera. It's a huge mistake for the franchise and there's a reason a player "like" Miggy has never been traded while still in arbitration.

 

However, to discuss a hypothetical, I'd just about kill myself if the return is centered around pitching coming back. That'd be flat out moronic.

 

moronic? why? you can never have too much pitching. see exhibit a: 2007 marlins pitching rotation injuries.

 

For one, all the Marlins have in droves is young pitching. The next blue chip position prospect we get will be our first since Hanley.

 

You don't rob Peter to pay Paul for franchise construction. We've got a very good young offense. There's good young pitching (and lost of it) on the way. Miggy is part of our good young offense. If we trade Miggy, we need to ensure that our good young offense does not take a dip.

 

you definately have a point... we could use some good position prospects (especially in cf and behind the plate). however, i would not be surprised if lincecum is the ace on that sf staff for a long time... maybe even a cy young award. i definately wouldnt do that deal straight up, id insist on an outfield or catching prospect as well(depending on what sf has...). but if sf dangled him we would be pretty stupid not to at least consider it.

There

Is

No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

 

thats a pretty bold statement. id say that pitching prospects are more of a crapshoot than position players, but saying that there is no such thing goes a little far...

 

You have a lot more 6th round pitchers sizzling and 1st round pitchers fizzling than you do with position players.

There

Is

No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

 

thats a pretty bold statement. id say that pitching prospects are more of a crapshoot than position players, but saying that there is no such thing goes a little far...

 

You have a lot more 6th round pitchers sizzling and 1st round pitchers fizzling than you do with position players.

 

i totally agree. for every josh beckett there is three or four todd van poppels. but to go as far as to say pitching prospects never pan out is an overgeneralization.

 

and, the pitching prospect that we were talking about is lincecum. now, hes a giant and i dont follow them too closely, but hes all the rage out there, and he has big league experience. id say he has a better chance than most.

There

Is

No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

 

thats a pretty bold statement. id say that pitching prospects are more of a crapshoot than position players, but saying that there is no such thing goes a little far...

 

You have a lot more 6th round pitchers sizzling and 1st round pitchers fizzling than you do with position players.

 

i totally agree. for every josh beckett there is three or four todd van poppels. but to go as far as to say pitching prospects never pan out is an overgeneralization.

 

and, the pitching prospect that we were talking about is lincecum. now, hes a giant and i dont follow them too closely, but hes all the rage out there, and he has big league experience. id say he has a better chance than most.

 

Nobody ever said they don't pan out...

Noles-

 

In baseball circles, Festa's quote is as old as the hills.

There

Is

No

Such

Thing

As

A

Pitching

Prospect

 

TINSTAPP.

 

Remember it!

 

thats a pretty bold statement. id say that pitching prospects are more of a crapshoot than position players, but saying that there is no such thing goes a little far...

 

You have a lot more 6th round pitchers sizzling and 1st round pitchers fizzling than you do with position players.

 

i totally agree. for every josh beckett there is three or four todd van poppels. but to go as far as to say pitching prospects never pan out is an overgeneralization.

 

and, the pitching prospect that we were talking about is lincecum. now, hes a giant and i dont follow them too closely, but hes all the rage out there, and he has big league experience. id say he has a better chance than most.

 

Nobody ever said they don't pan out...

 

the acronym implies it

Noles-

 

In baseball circles, Festa's quote is as old as the hills.

 

ive definately heard it before, but ive also seen it proven wrong time and again.

It's really just a saying that warns against investing too much in pitching prospects because they have a low rate of return.

Noles-

 

In baseball circles, Festa's quote is as old as the hills.

 

ive definately heard it before, but ive also seen it proven wrong time and again.

 

Because your not understanding what it is meant to mean.

 

You think that it means that no pitcher is a prospect. Therefore you think that it means that no one develops. That's not correct.

 

It is meant to mean that there is such a low attrition rate among young pitchers that nothing is certain with them.

i get the point, they are much less likely to pan out compared to position players. thats common knowledge. but not to go after young pitching because of the risk is pretty lame. obviously, Admin beinfest would think that acronym is a bunch of crap, as evidenced by all of the pitching prospects this organization has traded for.

i get the point, they are much less likely to pan out compared to position players. thats common knowledge. but not to go after young pitching because of the risk is pretty lame. obviously, Admin beinfest would think that acronym is a bunch of crap, as evidenced by all of the pitching prospects this organization has traded for.

 

Has anyone said to avoid pitching prospects altogether?

 

Admin Beinfest isn't god, in a few years when the ML team is bringing up talent at less than the league average he will rethink his and the organization's strategy the last few years.

i get the point, they are much less likely to pan out compared to position players. thats common knowledge. but not to go after young pitching because of the risk is pretty lame. obviously, Admin beinfest would think that acronym is a bunch of crap, as evidenced by all of the pitching prospects this organization has traded for.

 

Has anyone said to avoid pitching prospects altogether?

 

Admin Beinfest isn't god, in a few years when the ML team is bringing up talent at less than the league average he will rethink his and the organization's strategy the last few years.

 

*I hope*

I mean, we can't seriously think we are contenders next year without major overhaul. I don't think Miguel and Dontrelle are going to last until May, so what other team can package the A talent prospects that fit our needs like TB can? Can the package be a little better than that? Of course it could... but not that much better.

 

I didn't create the trade scenario... just heard it.

 

I think a trade with TB would be funny. Miggy to another small market team would infuriate his agents. But Tampa has got to realize that it wouldn't be long term with him. He would be leaving when he is eligible for FA, and I doubt his agents will allow him to sign anything long term with any team that is not large market. They KNOW that a large market team gives Miggy the opportunity to at least triple his income with endorsements, etc... For this reason alone I think any trade with Tampa involving Miggy is pure rumor with no back bone to it. Would you trade the farm for a 2 year rental player??

 

TB would be in no way trading away the farm. Due to their expansion and all around suckiness they have the deepest and most talented system by a long shot.

 

Not in the sense of trading away ALL their talent. But they would be trading away guys they know they can have for an extended period for a bat that they know they will only have for 2 years at the most.

 

The upswing is that they can use him as their DH.

Noles-

 

In baseball circles, Festa's quote is as old as the hills.

 

ive definately heard it before, but ive also seen it proven wrong time and again.

 

Because your not understanding what it is meant to mean.

 

You think that it means that no pitcher is a prospect. Therefore you think that it means that no one develops. That's not correct.

 

It is meant to mean that there is such a low attrition rate among young pitchers that nothing is certain with them.

 

And yet in an above post you say we have plenty of young pitchers already. Leads me to believe you think they are all (or most) going to pan out. Kinda changing the "facts" around to bolster a point of view.