November 21, 200718 yr Plus, he's left on taxes and health issues, like a nationwide smoking ban. If you like these things alongside a closed border, Huckabee is your man. In my opinion, his rightist progressivism is the absolute worst mix of positions. He's pro running your private life (whether it be smoking, abortion, or homosexuality) and pro spending all your money on social programs. Even though I agree with him concerning the social issues, it's a sad day when conservatives in this country endorse government coercion in private affairs. Yes, I too hate politicians who call themselves conservatives and then do liberal things in their time as governor such as lowering taxes, advocating a flat tax, and opposing any attempt at a nationalized or even government subsidized health care. Give me a break, read up on the man before you try trashing him.
November 21, 200718 yr I like Huckabee because he seems to be the only candidate who strongly endorses a flat tax, at least he does have something different to offer.
November 22, 200718 yr Huckabee has the charisma and common man approach that dems should fear in a general election, especially if pitted against Hillary. He also earned a lot of cred when he went to the MSU African American debate when the leading candidates avoided it.
November 22, 200718 yr Hey Mike, how about telling us what your real plan is to secure the border instead of just saying "Chuck Norris" so you can get the "I'm an 18 year old who thinks Chuck Norris is cool" vote.
November 22, 200718 yr I'm sure he'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about that at a different time. This advertisement, besides its awesome factor, does a lot more to win him Iowa than talking about his real plan for the border. Talk all you want about appealing to 18 year olds who like Chuck Norris, but the youth vote is still the final frontier of politics. Anyone who can pull a huge chunk of the 18-40 vote has a very good chance of winning an election. And say what you will, but Chuck Norris gets the 18-40 people talking. Border security does not.
November 22, 200718 yr Especially since people in Iowa don't really have to worry about the border that much.
November 22, 200718 yr Especially since people in Iowa don't really have to worry about the border that much. Minnesota = Canada All those illegal Minnesotans are taking all the low-wage jobs.
November 22, 200718 yr Talk all you want about appealing to 18 year olds who like Chuck Norris, but the youth vote is still the final frontier of politics. Anyone who can pull a huge chunk of the 18-40 vote has a very good chance of winning an election. And say what you will, but Chuck Norris gets the 18-40 people talking. Border security does not. If the lame Chuck Norris jokes that are popular among the 15 year olds I teach wins over the 18-40 vote then we truly deserve the slavery to debt that is coming for our generation.
November 23, 200718 yr I like how it's taken as such a surprise, and how the formula is so difficult to understand. Chuck Norris -> Attention -> Research of candidate -> Choice to support It doesn't stop at Step 1.
November 23, 200718 yr I'm sure he'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about that at a different time. This advertisement, besides its awesome factor, does a lot more to win him Iowa than talking about his real plan for the border. Talk all you want about appealing to 18 year olds who like Chuck Norris, but the youth vote is still the final frontier of politics. Anyone who can pull a huge chunk of the 18-40 vote has a very good chance of winning an election. And say what you will, but Chuck Norris gets the 18-40 people talking. Border security does not. I think you're wrong in your assessment of how important the 18-40 demographic is. And, to be quite honest, I feel like you're encompassing at least 2 significantly different sets of people in that 22 year span. The power of the youth vote is something that's talked about a lot by the media. Time and time again it's proven to be a myth. Young people don't vote. They vote even less in primaries. If you want to win a presidential nomination, pander to a bunch of 50-70 year olds. Just look at things on the Democratic side. I'd bet serious money that Obama has the 18-40 year old male vote (I keep it single gender because i doubt females will be as amused by a Chuck Norris ad) locked up among Democrats. And, he's still polling well below Clinton.
November 23, 200718 yr Talk all you want about appealing to 18 year olds who like Chuck Norris, but the youth vote is still the final frontier of politics. Anyone who can pull a huge chunk of the 18-40 vote has a very good chance of winning an election. And say what you will, but Chuck Norris gets the 18-40 people talking. Border security does not. If the lame Chuck Norris jokes that are popular among the 15 year olds I teach wins over the 18-40 vote then we truly deserve the slavery to debt that is coming for our generation. Is it lonely up on your pedestal?
November 24, 200718 yr I'm sure he'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about that at a different time. This advertisement, besides its awesome factor, does a lot more to win him Iowa than talking about his real plan for the border. Talk all you want about appealing to 18 year olds who like Chuck Norris, but the youth vote is still the final frontier of politics. Anyone who can pull a huge chunk of the 18-40 vote has a very good chance of winning an election. And say what you will, but Chuck Norris gets the 18-40 people talking. Border security does not. I think you're wrong in your assessment of how important the 18-40 demographic is. And, to be quite honest, I feel like you're encompassing at least 2 significantly different sets of people in that 22 year span. The power of the youth vote is something that's talked about a lot by the media. Time and time again it's proven to be a myth. Young people don't vote. They vote even less in primaries. If you want to win a presidential nomination, pander to a bunch of 50-70 year olds. Just look at things on the Democratic side. I'd bet serious money that Obama has the 18-40 year old male vote (I keep it single gender because i doubt females will be as amused by a Chuck Norris ad) locked up among Democrats. And, he's still polling well below Clinton.The youth vote is still the Big Foot of American politics. However, its power is very real. If it were ever to show to an election it would decide it, since it's the largest voting bloc in the country. Doesn't take much to understand why politicians want to court this vote. And, well, one of the flaws of polls is that they operate in ways that aren't conducive to receiving statistics from the youth. Can't blame them since their methods have worked for a while and the youth hasn't shown up regularly in a long time (if at all), but them just be the facts.
November 24, 200718 yr Plus, he's left on taxes and health issues, like a nationwide smoking ban. If you like these things alongside a closed border, Huckabee is your man. In my opinion, his rightist progressivism is the absolute worst mix of positions. He's pro running your private life (whether it be smoking, abortion, or homosexuality) and pro spending all your money on social programs. Even though I agree with him concerning the social issues, it's a sad day when conservatives in this country endorse government coercion in private affairs. Yes, I too hate politicians who call themselves conservatives and then do liberal things in their time as governor such as lowering taxes, advocating a flat tax, and opposing any attempt at a nationalized or even government subsidized health care. Give me a break, read up on the man before you try trashing him. Huckaby raised taxes: Other Arkansas governors "engineered serious tax cuts, although like Huckabee they had raised taxes even more." [The Arkansas Leader, 1/31/07] http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/02/busy_huckabee_t.php See also http://www.taxhikemike.org/ Huckabee's quasi-socialist approach to healthcare: "I advocate policies that will encourage the private sector to seek innovative ways to bring down costs and improve the free market for health care services. We have to change a system that happily pays $30,000 for a diabetic to have his foot amputated, but won't pay for the shoes that would save his foot." http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=8 "Some would call providing very basic, inexpensive health plans rationing care, but rationed health care is better than no health care.... We are going to have to start making some tough decisions. Aunt Sally is 90 years old, and is on the decline, should we be spending valuable health care dollars to put her on expensive dialysis to prolong her life for a few weeks? Or should we vaccinate an entire small towns worth of children to prevent disease? In my mind it seems an easy answer. " http://montanaforhuckabee2008.squarespace.com/health-care/ This "prevention-based" approach to healthcare increases government intervention in the economy. Granted, his approach is not extreme as Romney, Obama, or Hillary, but arguing in favor of a universal healthcare "middle-road" does not make you conservative. Huckabee on income tax: Lastly, Huckabee does not endorse the flat tax. He endorses the "fair tax," which is much like a European VAT. Socialist Mike Gravel ALSO endorses the "fair tax." Again, this does not make Huckabee conservative. Source: http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=5 BTW, I support the fairtax, but first we have to repeal the income tax. We do not want a double whammy of income and fair tax. However, unlike most Ron Paul supporters, I believe the income tax, even without the 16th amendment, is constitutional. The Constitution allows for "direct taxtion," which before the corrupt gilded era supreme court applied the 14th amendment incorrectly to repeal civil waresque income taxes, the constitutionality of such taxes was generally not questioned. Huckabee panders to illegal aliens: "During his tenure as governor, Huckabee has taken up causes for illegal aliens, such as supporting a bill in 2005 that would have made them eligible for the same taxpayer-funded scholarships available to citizens and allowed them to pay tuition at state colleges at the cheaper in-state tuition rates." http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/175071/ Huckabee joins Hillary and Edwards in being endorsed by unions: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...ckabee_edwards/ Huckabee calls for national smoking ban in all public places: http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4958.html So, do I have to read up on Huckabee's record and stances or do his supporters? Huckabe is congratulated by the likes of Bill Maher for being leftist on economic issues. Compared to the 80s reagan and 90s newt gingrich conservatism that conservatives pretend to herald, these are neocons like Bush who pass huge government entitlement programs like prescription drug subsidies. That is not conservatism. Let me repeat: Huckabee is not conservative!!! It's a sad day when conservatives in this country endorse government coercion in private affairs.
November 25, 200718 yr You can do google searches, looking up vague references to make your points. You sir a true socrates and your scholarship is deserving of praise. Nice try, I love it's just the crazier(notice Crazier, not all of them) Ron Paul supporters on this board trashing him while everyone else has nice things to say. Hmmm, just a hunch but I think you might be a little bitter than Huckabee has raised considerably less money and media attention up until now and yet he's still whooped your man's ass. What a crazy thought, an honest, hardworking guy who doesn't have the intellectual elite as his base, actually having some success? Plus, he's left on taxes and health issues, like a nationwide smoking ban. If you like these things alongside a closed border, Huckabee is your man. In my opinion, his rightist progressivism is the absolute worst mix of positions. He's pro running your private life (whether it be smoking, abortion, or homosexuality) and pro spending all your money on social programs. Even though I agree with him concerning the social issues, it's a sad day when conservatives in this country endorse government coercion in private affairs. Yes, I too hate politicians who call themselves conservatives and then do liberal things in their time as governor such as lowering taxes, advocating a flat tax, and opposing any attempt at a nationalized or even government subsidized health care. Give me a break, read up on the man before you try trashing him. Huckaby raised taxes: Other Arkansas governors "engineered serious tax cuts, although like Huckabee they had raised taxes even more." [The Arkansas Leader, 1/31/07] http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/02/busy_huckabee_t.php See also http://www.taxhikemike.org/ Huckabee's quasi-socialist approach to healthcare: "I advocate policies that will encourage the private sector to seek innovative ways to bring down costs and improve the free market for health care services. We have to change a system that happily pays $30,000 for a diabetic to have his foot amputated, but won't pay for the shoes that would save his foot." http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=8 "Some would call providing very basic, inexpensive health plans rationing care, but rationed health care is better than no health care.... We are going to have to start making some tough decisions. Aunt Sally is 90 years old, and is on the decline, should we be spending valuable health care dollars to put her on expensive dialysis to prolong her life for a few weeks? Or should we vaccinate an entire small towns worth of children to prevent disease? In my mind it seems an easy answer. " http://montanaforhuckabee2008.squarespace.com/health-care/ This "prevention-based" approach to healthcare increases government intervention in the economy. Granted, his approach is not extreme as Romney, Obama, or Hillary, but arguing in favor of a universal healthcare "middle-road" does not make you conservative. Huckabee on income tax: Lastly, Huckabee does not endorse the flat tax. He endorses the "fair tax," which is much like a European VAT. Socialist Mike Gravel ALSO endorses the "fair tax." Again, this does not make Huckabee conservative. Source: http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?Fuse...&Issue_id=5 BTW, I support the fairtax, but first we have to repeal the income tax. We do not want a double whammy of income and fair tax. However, unlike most Ron Paul supporters, I believe the income tax, even without the 16th amendment, is constitutional. The Constitution allows for "direct taxtion," which before the corrupt gilded era supreme court applied the 14th amendment incorrectly to repeal civil waresque income taxes, the constitutionality of such taxes was generally not questioned. Huckabee panders to illegal aliens: "During his tenure as governor, Huckabee has taken up causes for illegal aliens, such as supporting a bill in 2005 that would have made them eligible for the same taxpayer-funded scholarships available to citizens and allowed them to pay tuition at state colleges at the cheaper in-state tuition rates." http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/175071/ Huckabee joins Hillary and Edwards in being endorsed by unions: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...ckabee_edwards/ Huckabee calls for national smoking ban in all public places: http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4958.html So, do I have to read up on Huckabee's record and stances or do his supporters? Huckabe is congratulated by the likes of Bill Maher for being leftist on economic issues. Compared to the 80s reagan and 90s newt gingrich conservatism that conservatives pretend to herald, these are neocons like Bush who pass huge government entitlement programs like prescription drug subsidies. That is not conservatism. Let me repeat: Huckabee is not conservative!!! It's a sad day when conservatives in this country endorse government coercion in private affairs.
November 25, 200718 yr To be honest, Huckabee's rise is to me exciting. Now as per my "scholarship," I make no such claims. I am not going to do hours of research to look smart on a forum. I do at least have the respect to back up what I say with things that are based in reality, and are thus able to be referenced. If you want to actually make an intelligent counter-point, you can try to find "evidence" of Huckabee's fiscal responsibility. You won't. I mean, you didn't even know Huckabee was a supporter of the Fair Tax.
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