Hendrickson is doing a worse job than Brian Moehler would have done for $1 million less.

 

That's very 'real.'

When have I said the he was pitching well since April?

 

Never. That's also real.

I honestly don't follow your posting that closely but I have noticed you are usually one of the first people to defend the guy.

 

I made no mention of time frame. You did. I was merely commenting on the amusing coincidence of your alleged personal ties to Hendrickson and your defensive posts in this thread. (See: "7-5 doesn't really show him losing every game, now does it?").

 

Obviously the original poster was speaking in hyperbole (you can't fault him for that) and he was merely commenting on the consistent bad starts Hendrickson has been giving us for the last month. That was a position I found somewhat difficult to defend and the revelations within this thread offered an explanation.

 

Whatever, these days it's become heretical to say ill things about underperforming players (unless they are in reality playing well - see Jorge Cantu). This is directed at the forum in general.

 

Bottom line is that Hendrickson was a bad signing. I'm glad that he's giving us innings so we don't have to rush young talent, but the Marlins are paying him for too much for a player with his numbers.

I gave a time frame because Hendrickson was 4-0 with 2.56 ERA in April, so I most likely did say he was pitching well.

 

That 7-5 was because Hendrickson had more win than losses. In those 7 wins, he only earned more than 3 runs in 1 of them. The other 6 were well earned wins. So it irks me a little bit when someone says something like "Hendrickson loses all his starts", especially when it is someone who says nothing but negative things about the team like Retro does.

 

I do admit to being a bit defensive of all our guys when someone says something overly negative about them.

Where you been man?.I haven't seen you in a million years!!!!!

 

Get with the program and stop digging deeper.

 

Y'know...that's a terrible comeback considering he just threw out stats.

The very least you could do is comeback with some stats as well, and make an argument out of this...it's a lot better than that response, considering he's not really "digging."

I have made my case.

 

Look at the Hendrickson's career stats.He should be a fifth starter on the worst team in baseball.

Hendrickson, over the span of a month or more, has been pitching closer to career norms than during April. I really don't view it as an unfair comment.

 

He won't be the first pitcher who has had a string of fluke starts.

It's unfair to say someone, who has won more games than he has lost, has lost all his starts.

There is nothing wrong with exaggerations to emphasize a point, which is obviously what the original claim was. You are reducing this into a discussion of semantics. That is rather petty. I can't speak for the original poster, but his intent evidently was merely to say that Hendrickson has not been pitching well enough to put his team in a position to win. This is true and he deserves the flak he's been receiving, especially for robbing this team of $1.5 million, one of the highest paid players on the team.

 

It's unfair to justify his poor performance upon win totals.

 

In one of those 7 wins, he gave up 5 ER / 5 IP. In another, he threw nearly 100 pitches threw only 5 innings.

 

In two other starts he couldn't get out of the sixth inning but managed to secure the wins due to significant run support.

 

One can't take those wins away from him and he wasn't giving up runs at the clip he is currently, but it is very misleading to make the claim that Hendrickson performed well because he has 7 wins or even that he pitched exceptionally in those wins. Only three of those wins can be considered quality starts.

Hendrickson, over the span of a month or more, has been pitching closer to career norms than during April. I really don't view it as an unfair comment.

 

He won't be the first pitcher who has had a string of fluke starts.

It's unfair to say someone, who has won more games than he has lost, has lost all his starts.

There is nothing wrong with exaggerations to emphasize a point, which is obviously what the original claim was. You are reducing this into a discussion of semantics. That is rather petty. I can't speak for the original poster, but his intent evidently was merely to say that Hendrickson has not been pitching well enough to put his team in a position to win. This is true and he deserves the flak he's been receiving, especially for robbing this team of $1.5 million, one of the highest paid players on the team.

 

It's unfair to justify his poor performance upon win totals.

 

In one of those 7 wins, he gave up 5 ER / 5 IP. In another, he threw nearly 100 pitches threw only 5 innings.

 

In two other starts he couldn't get out of the sixth inning but managed to secure the wins due to significant run support.

 

One can't take those wins away from him and he wasn't giving up runs at the clip he is currently, but it is very misleading to make the claim that Hendrickson performed well because he has 7 wins or even that he pitched exceptionally in those wins. Only three of those wins can be considered quality starts.

I never said he performed well or pitched exceptionally. I never justified his poor performance. All I did was say that:

 

7 wins != 0 wins.

 

I do think there is something wrong with saying that someone who has won more games than he has lost has been loosing all his games. I'm discussing semantics because you decided to turn me saying that 7 wins and 0 wins aren't the same thing into me saying that Hendrickson was a good pitcher.

All things considered I don't think Sanchez, Johnson, or Mitre have futures with this team either. Johnson I'd give a minor exception because his injury was not as severe as Sanchez's and he's not as bad of a pitcher as Mitre is.

 

There is enough young talent in the organization to fill rotation spots and I don't think the Marlins are good enough to warrant reinjuring an arm by rushing them back to the majors and expecting them to pitch multiple innings.

 

Hendrickson, while not a good pitcher, is doing exactly what the Marlins paid him to do.

 

 

I see no problem in not rushing players up this season. Let them develope right where they are. Hendrickson was brought in as a spot filler for this season because of the injuries. I doubt there ever were any plans to bring him back next year. He will continue to fill that hole while the kids get ready. Patience people.

Where am I suggesting that the young developing players be brought up this season?

 

You didn't. I was more or less agreeing with you. Just saying it in a different way.

All things considered I don't think Sanchez, Johnson, or Mitre have futures with this team either. Johnson I'd give a minor exception because his injury was not as severe as Sanchez's and he's not as bad of a pitcher as Mitre is.

 

There is enough young talent in the organization to fill rotation spots and I don't think the Marlins are good enough to warrant reinjuring an arm by rushing them back to the majors and expecting them to pitch multiple innings.

 

Hendrickson, while not a good pitcher, is doing exactly what the Marlins paid him to do.

 

 

I see no problem in not rushing players up this season. Let them develope right where they are. Hendrickson was brought in as a spot filler for this season because of the injuries. I doubt there ever were any plans to bring him back next year. He will continue to fill that hole while the kids get ready. Patience people.

And continue to lose every game that he fills the hole in.Continue hoping that our offense slugs their way to victory every time he starts.

 

We don't lose every game he starts and our offense slugs their way to victory with every pitcher.

Hendrickson is doing a worse job than Brian Moehler would have done for $1 million less.

 

That's very 'real.'

When have I said the he was pitching well since April?

 

Never. That's also real.

I honestly don't follow your posting that closely but I have noticed you are usually one of the first people to defend the guy.

 

I made no mention of time frame. You did. I was merely commenting on the amusing coincidence of your alleged personal ties to Hendrickson and your defensive posts in this thread. (See: "7-5 doesn't really show him losing every game, now does it?").

 

Obviously the original poster was speaking in hyperbole (you can't fault him for that) and he was merely commenting on the consistent bad starts Hendrickson has been giving us for the last month. That was a position I found somewhat difficult to defend and the revelations within this thread offered an explanation.

 

Whatever, these days it's become heretical to say ill things about underperforming players (unless they are in reality playing well - see Jorge Cantu). This is directed at the forum in general.

 

Bottom line is that Hendrickson was a bad signing. I'm glad that he's giving us innings so we don't have to rush young talent, but the Marlins are paying him for too much for a player with his numbers.

Can't really argue that part. Except he's not really giving us the innings we need. But he is filling a slot. Just going to have to wait and see if he is in a slump or if this is the real 2008 Mark. IMO, Hanley's slumping has affected this team more, just in a different way.