July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. don't go saying greatest trade, our greatest trade was the Juan Pierre for Nolasco, Pinto, and Mitre. Nobody can say we shouldn't have made that trade to get Urbina, without him I still don't think we would've won the ws. Sometimes you have to give up some of the future to get somthing in the present.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. don't go saying greatest trade, our greatest trade was the Juan Pierre for Nolasco, Pinto, and Mitre. Nobody can say we shouldn't have made that trade to get Urbina, without him I still don't think we would've won the ws. Sometimes you have to give up some of the future to get somthing in the present. sigh
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. I beg to differ. Right now, we'd be a better team if we had Adrian Gonzalez. We'd have more runs than we've scored (hard to believe isn't it?)...we would also not have the worst defensive 1B, in baseball. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades.
July 13, 200817 yr The Urbina trade was a great trade for us. Everyone completely underestimates what getting Urbina meant for the rest of our bullpen, and our starting staff. There's no way we win the WS without him. He was vital (as was just about every member of our roster, which is what makes a team a champ. team). That being said, everyone likes to point out how great Gonzalez was (and is) when he was traded. Unfortunately, he was traded, not just because Texas wanted him, but because he was stuck behind Jason Stokes on our depth chart. Was that a monumental error by our FO - um, yes, goes without saying. But Gonzalez would never turned into an all-star on our team. So, understanding this REALITY, the trade turned into a great trade for both teams. Also, I know Detroit signed Urbina to a two year deal afterwards, but did we end up getting draft picks for him?
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. I beg to differ. Right now, we'd be a better team if we had Adrian Gonzalez. We'd have more runs than we've scored (hard to believe isn't it?)...we would also not have the worst defensive 1B, in baseball. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. Yea no sh*t we would be a better team if we had Gonzalez, but you can't play that game. Who knows what happens if we still have Gonzalez? We don't sign Delgado, thus we save money and maybe we can keep Beckett/Lowell, we don't have Hanley, maybe we trade Beckett for the rumored deal of Hank Blalock of the Rangers, we don't have a World Series, we are a mediocre meddling team who needs to have a fire sale with guys like Adrian Gonzalez, etc etc. We won the World Series in 2003 thanks in large part to that trade. Would we have won a championship with Adrian Gonzalez between 04-08 (he wasn't good until 2006, btw)? Maybe, but the numbers/chances say hell no. He is not a superstar, game changing player either.World Series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian Gonzalez times ten and to argue otherwise is idiotic.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. I beg to differ. Right now, we'd be a better team if we had Adrian Gonzalez. We'd have more runs than we've scored (hard to believe isn't it?)...we would also not have the worst defensive 1B, in baseball. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. Yea no sh*t we would be a better team if we had Gonzalez, but you can't play that game. Who knows what happens if we still have Gonzalez? We don't sign Delgado, thus we save money and maybe we can keep Beckett/Lowell, we don't have Hanley, maybe we trade Beckett for the rumored deal of Hank Blalock of the Rangers, we don't have a World Series, we are a mediocre meddling team who needs to have a fire sale with guys like Adrian Gonzalez, etc etc. We won the World Series in 2003 thanks in large part to that trade. Would we have won a championship with Adrian Gonzalez between 04-08 (he wasn't good until 2006, btw)? Maybe, but the numbers/chances say hell no. He is not a superstar, game changing player either.World Series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian Gonzalez times ten and to argue otherwise is idiotic. The Beckett trade has nothing to do with Gonzalez. I don't see your point there. ...and yes, the World Series was nice. However, "great trade?" No it wasn't. "Great trades" should count as lopsided trades, where we win the trade. The best thing you can say about that trade is that it came out even b/c Gonzalez has turned into a very good player.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. You don't seem to get it. Yes, Adrian Gonzalez is the better player, and player wise straight up the Rangers win the trade, but we won a FREAKING World Series thanks in large part because of that trade. Do you not get how important and how much it means to win a World Series??!? Sometimes I think Marlin fans are spoiled. Ask a Red Sox fan if they would have traded a young Carl Yastremski for some no-name reliever if it meant that reliever would help them beat the Yankees and actually win a World Series. And furthermore, you called it a straight up "bad trade" which again, is laughingly stupid.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. I beg to differ. Right now, we'd be a better team if we had Adrian Gonzalez. We'd have more runs than we've scored (hard to believe isn't it?)...we would also not have the worst defensive 1B, in baseball. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. Yea no sh*t we would be a better team if we had Gonzalez, but you can't play that game. Who knows what happens if we still have Gonzalez? We don't sign Delgado, thus we save money and maybe we can keep Beckett/Lowell, we don't have Hanley, maybe we trade Beckett for the rumored deal of Hank Blalock of the Rangers, we don't have a World Series, we are a mediocre meddling team who needs to have a fire sale with guys like Adrian Gonzalez, etc etc. We won the World Series in 2003 thanks in large part to that trade. Would we have won a championship with Adrian Gonzalez between 04-08 (he wasn't good until 2006, btw)? Maybe, but the numbers/chances say hell no. He is not a superstar, game changing player either.World Series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrian Gonzalez times ten and to argue otherwise is idiotic. The Beckett trade has nothing to do with Gonzalez. I don't see your point there. ...and yes, the World Series was nice. The point was that if we have Adrian Gonzalez, the future direction of the franchise would change completely. We would be missing some pieces, it's not like you can just plug him into the lineup with Uggla, Ramirez and who ever else you want.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. You don't seem to get it. Yes, Adrian Gonzalez is the better player, and player wise straight up the Rangers win the trade, but we won a FREAKING World Series thanks in large part because of that trade. Do you not get how important and how much it means to win a World Series??!? Sometimes I think Marlin fans are spoiled. Ask a Red Sox fan of they would have traded a young Carl Yastremski for some no-name reliever if it meant that reliever would help them beat the Yankees and actually win a World Series. And furthermore, you called it a straight up "bad trade" which again, is laughingly stupid. calling it a "bad trade" is just as stupid as calling it a "great trade."
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. You don't seem to get it. Yes, Adrian Gonzalez is the better player, and player wise straight up the Rangers win the trade, but we won a FREAKING World Series thanks in large part because of that trade. Do you not get how important and how much it means to win a World Series??!? Sometimes I think Marlin fans are spoiled. Ask a Red Sox fan of they would have traded a young Carl Yastremski for some no-name reliever if it meant that reliever would help them beat the Yankees and actually win a World Series. And furthermore, you called it a straight up "bad trade" which again, is laughingly stupid. calling it a "bad trade" is just as stupid as calling it a "great trade." Write this on the wall and drill into your head : WE WON A f***ING WORLD SERIES THANKS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THAT TRADE. WE PROBABLY DO NOT WIN A WORLD SERIES IF WE DO NOT MAKE THAT TRADE! Repeat that three times a day when you wake up and in a few years you will understand. Who gives a flying f*** about some above average non superstar first baseman on the shittiest team in all of baseball compared to bringing a championship to the city of Miami?
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. You don't seem to get it. Yes, Adrian Gonzalez is the better player, and player wise straight up the Rangers win the trade, but we won a FREAKING World Series thanks in large part because of that trade. Do you not get how important and how much it means to win a World Series??!? Sometimes I think Marlin fans are spoiled. Ask a Red Sox fan of they would have traded a young Carl Yastremski for some no-name reliever if it meant that reliever would help them beat the Yankees and actually win a World Series. And furthermore, you called it a straight up "bad trade" which again, is laughingly stupid. calling it a "bad trade" is just as stupid as calling it a "great trade." Write this on the wall and drill into your head : WE WON A f***ING WORLD SERIES THANKS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THAT TRADE. WE PROBABLY DO NOT WIN A WORLD SERIES IF WE DO NOT MAKE THAT TRADE! Repeat that three times a day when you wake up and in a few years you will understand. Who gives a flying f*** about some above average non superstar first baseman on the shittiest team in all of baseball compared to bringing a championship to the city of Miami? so I guess the Beckett trade...we totally lost b/c Boston won a championship, we got Hanley. Hanley has gotten us 0 championships, therefore it was a bad trade. :whistle Btw, "average non-superstar?" Adrian Gonzalez made the All-Star Game this year. He's been hitting the ball, and has a pathetic lineup around him. Urbina's in jail. When evaluating trades, you need to look at it long term, as well. You're right. It was probably stupid of me to call it a "bad trade." I guess you can say it was an even trade. We won in the short-term, and lost out in the long-term.
July 13, 200817 yr Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present. ...and it was a bad trade. Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure. I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder. Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well. Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him. :lol a bad trade? Come on. Any time you win a world series, it is a great trade. If we have Adrian Gonzalez it's not like we would be perennial WS champions. That trade will go down as one of our greatest trades in history, no matter how good Adrian is...and he is already pretty damn good right now. "One of the greatest trades in franchise history?" Are you kidding me? If anything, you can say it came out even b/c it helped us get a World Series. However, we traded an All-Star caliber 1B to get that...who had / has a much brighter future. The point being - any time you win a world series thanks in large part to a trade, that trade goes down as a great trade, especially when you are a small market team and these opportunities don't across often. We wouldn't be perennial contenders with Gonzalez or not. It was, at best, an even trade. Not "one of the greatest trades in franchise history." "Greatest trades in franchise history" are lopsided trades...like the Dontrelle trade. Like trading Pierre to the Cubs. Those were great trades. You don't seem to get it. Yes, Adrian Gonzalez is the better player, and player wise straight up the Rangers win the trade, but we won a FREAKING World Series thanks in large part because of that trade. Do you not get how important and how much it means to win a World Series??!? Sometimes I think Marlin fans are spoiled. Ask a Red Sox fan of they would have traded a young Carl Yastremski for some no-name reliever if it meant that reliever would help them beat the Yankees and actually win a World Series. And furthermore, you called it a straight up "bad trade" which again, is laughingly stupid. calling it a "bad trade" is just as stupid as calling it a "great trade." Write this on the wall and drill into your head : WE WON A f***ING WORLD SERIES THANKS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THAT TRADE. WE PROBABLY DO NOT WIN A WORLD SERIES IF WE DO NOT MAKE THAT TRADE! Repeat that three times a day when you wake up and in a few years you will understand. Who gives a flying f*** about some above average non superstar first baseman on the shittiest team in all of baseball compared to bringing a championship to the city of Miami? so I guess the Beckett trade...we totally lost b/c Boston won a championship, we got Hanley. Hanley has gotten us 0 championships, therefore it was a bad trade. :whistle Btw, "average non-superstar?" Adrian Gonzalez made the All-Star Game this year. He's been hitting the ball, and has a pathetic lineup around him. Urbina's in jail. When evaluating trades, you need to look at it long term, as well. You're right. It was probably stupid of me to call it a "bad trade." I guess you can say it was an even trade. We won in the short-term, and lost out in the long-term. It is a trade that worked great for both teams (if the Rangers would have kept Adrian) we won the world series, and we had a fire sale a couple years later, so it doesn't really matter if we had Adrian or not. We aren't winning the WS anyways. The only year we really hat a shot at it, we had a guy at first who was better than Adrian Gonzalez and we didn't even make the playoffs. And who cares if Gonzalez made the all star team? He is what he is - an above average top ten guy at his position but not a superstar - which would be top 1 or 2 at your position, and/or top ten player in baseball.
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