im bored have nothing to do...

wat do you think about it

 

weve been showing interest in them both

I don't know what we'd have to give up to get Torrealba but unless it's not much, I think we'll be okay with Baker/Hoover/Treanor for now.

 

As for Fuentes, I'd love to see him as our closer.

how about torrealba fuentes for gregg willie glen and tucker

how about torrealba fuentes for gregg willie glen and tucker

 

I do not want to get rid of Tucker, he has closer material and I believe is the future closer of this team.

I think we will be just fine with who we have.

If Torrealba is the price to get Fuentes then lets get the corporate jet fueled up but I'm not holding my breath.

I think I've read that TB is offering Niemann for Fuentes

 

if that's true, it'll be very hard for us to match that.

 

So I wouldn't count too much on us getting Fuentes

Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present.

Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present.

 

 

...and it was a bad trade.

Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure.

I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder.

 

Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!!

 

What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well.

Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him.

Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present.

 

Making a big trade during the season tells me one thing about the team, they are looking to win the world series for that current year (every team wants to win the world series) and often times are not looking towards the future.

 

That being said one team has looked to the future and are having quite a year they play in St. Pete.

If we had to add that kind of salary to our payroll, I'd rather just got after Francisco Cordero of the Reds.

Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present.

 

 

...and it was a bad trade.

Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure.

I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder.

 

Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!!

 

What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well.

Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him.

 

It wasn't a bad trade at all. The only reason the Marlins were one year wonders was trading away players like Derrek Lee for Hee Sop Choi. That move really had nothing to do with it.

Erick, you are so hung up on this youth thing it's getting silly. You trade Adrian Gonzalez ten times out of ten if it leads you to the World Series. And you ignore the other two players in that trade. Where are they now? Not playing major league baseball is where they are.

 

It did, I might remind you a few years before AG started to become what we see now. What Tucker or Gaby Sanchez, or whoever might be of interest to the Rockies hypothetically, turn into three years from now is so unimportant to the Marlins if the alternative is making it deep into the playoffs for so many reasons - political, financial, future ticket sales - you have to give to get.

 

Now do I agree with you about the particular players in question? Yeah I do based on the limited knowledge we as fans have available to us. But just a few hours ago you were reminding me how good our GM was and how we have to "trust his judgment".

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

I'm sure not you're not saying if the front office were to package Tucker in a deal that eventually meant the Fish were playing in October Beinfest and company would be "dumb".

 

Or are you? (That was a rhetorical question. You don't really need to answer it, just recognize you either trust in Beinfest or you don't. You can't pick and choose when that belief system applies.)

Look, sometimes you gotta give something up to win NOW. In 2003, we traded Adrian Gonzalez for Urbina. Sure, it doesn't always work, but if you constantly look to the future you are going to miss your chance in the present.

 

 

...and it was a bad trade.

Although Urbina did help us that one year, for sure.

I'd much rather see a consistent winner, than a 1 year wonder.

 

Trading Tucker would be dumb. He could easily be the next Jonathan Papelbon, for all we know. HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!!

 

What's so "special" about Yorvit Torrealba? And Fuentes is a solid reliever...but lets not forget he lost his job last year, as well.

Tucker has room for so much improvement, imo, it would be dumb to trade him.

 

 

Well, I'm rather sure Fuentes will be a type A FA after the year so we'd get two draft picks in return.

 

...but the same can be said for Urbina, but it doesn't seem we offered him arbitration. Anybody know what the story on that was? I guess we were just too fearful of him accepting.

...but the same can be said for Urbina, but it doesn't seem we offered him arbitration. Anybody know what the story on that was? I guess we were just too fearful of him accepting.

 

It was a while ago but didn't it all start with his mother being kidnapped and held for ransom for an extended period of time?

Erick, you are so hung up on this youth thing it's getting silly.

 

 

Yes, I am.

I don't believe in giving up young players, so quickly.

Especially when it's a 1st rounder already in the big leagues at the age of 21, throwing 98 mph with a beautiful changeup.

 

I also don't believe in giving up on Hermida b/c of players like Adrian Gonzalez.

 

Not every player is Hanley Ramirez. It takes time, most of the time, with young players.

 

I love Beinfest and the trades he makes...I should probably rephrase myself. It wasn't a "bad trade." It was a key component in our World Series. We wouldn't have won it all with Looper closing games.

 

However, everyone knew Adrian Gonzalez was a top prospect...it just took him time.

My theory is, I'd rather have a player who will contribute for the next decade, than a guy who will contribute for a year.

 

Everyone has a different philosophy.

You can go for it all, and get the World Series now. Or you can keep the youngsters, and hope to build something special CONSISTENTLY.

 

I choose the latter.

Erick, you are so hung up on this youth thing it's getting silly.

 

 

Yes, I am.

I don't believe in giving up young players, so quickly.

Especially when it's a 1st rounder already in the big leagues at the age of 21, throwing 98 mph with a beautiful changeup.

 

I also don't believe in giving up on Hermida b/c of players like Adrian Gonzalez.

 

Not every player is Hanley Ramirez. It takes time, most of the time, with young players.

 

I love Beinfest and the trades he makes...I should probably rephrase myself. It wasn't a "bad trade." It was a key component in our World Series. We wouldn't have won it all with Looper closing games.

 

However, everyone knew Adrian Gonzalez was a top prospect...it just took him time.

My theory is, I'd rather have a player who will contribute for the next decade, than a guy who will contribute for a year.

 

Everyone has a different philosophy.

You can go for it all, and get the World Series now. Or you can keep the youngsters, and hope to build something special CONSISTENTLY.

 

I choose the latter.

 

A-Gon wuz our 1st overall pick in 2000, I didn't understand why we traded him for a guy who wuz only here for half a year, even if that meant a world series.

A-Gon wuz our 1st overall pick in 2000, I didn't understand why we traded him for a guy who wuz only here for half a year, even if that meant a world series.

 

 

Because it meant a World Series. No matter what way you look at it, we won a World Series. But hindsight is 20/20, that trade could of blown up in our face. Sometimes the risk is worth the reward.

Erick, you are so hung up on this youth thing it's getting silly.

 

 

Yes, I am.

I don't believe in giving up young players, so quickly.

Especially when it's a 1st rounder already in the big leagues at the age of 21, throwing 98 mph with a beautiful changeup.

 

I also don't believe in giving up on Hermida b/c of players like Adrian Gonzalez.

 

Not every player is Hanley Ramirez. It takes time, most of the time, with young players.

 

I love Beinfest and the trades he makes...I should probably rephrase myself. It wasn't a "bad trade." It was a key component in our World Series. We wouldn't have won it all with Looper closing games.

 

However, everyone knew Adrian Gonzalez was a top prospect...it just took him time.

My theory is, I'd rather have a player who will contribute for the next decade, than a guy who will contribute for a year.

 

Everyone has a different philosophy.

You can go for it all, and get the World Series now. Or you can keep the youngsters, and hope to build something special CONSISTENTLY.

 

I choose the latter.

 

Dude, I don't have stats to back this up but I'm sure most would agree that almost every team that wins the world series makes SOME trade where they give up young prospects to fill a current need. You just have to deal from your strengths which is what Beinfest did when trading gonzalez (we also had stokes who unfortunatley busted).

 

It's part of the game. Right now young pitching is our strength so that's our best chip in acquiring help now. If we do trade someone like Tucker....we have 6 other guys in the minors who have the talent to be as good or better than him.

Erick, you are so hung up on this youth thing it's getting silly.

 

 

Yes, I am.

I don't believe in giving up young players, so quickly.

Especially when it's a 1st rounder already in the big leagues at the age of 21, throwing 98 mph with a beautiful changeup.

 

I also don't believe in giving up on Hermida b/c of players like Adrian Gonzalez.

 

Not every player is Hanley Ramirez. It takes time, most of the time, with young players.

 

I love Beinfest and the trades he makes...I should probably rephrase myself. It wasn't a "bad trade." It was a key component in our World Series. We wouldn't have won it all with Looper closing games.

 

However, everyone knew Adrian Gonzalez was a top prospect...it just took him time.

My theory is, I'd rather have a player who will contribute for the next decade, than a guy who will contribute for a year.

 

Everyone has a different philosophy.

You can go for it all, and get the World Series now. Or you can keep the youngsters, and hope to build something special CONSISTENTLY.

 

I choose the latter.

 

Dude, I don't have stats to back this up but I'm sure most would agree that almost every team that wins the world series makes SOME trade where they give up young prospects to fill a current need. You just have to deal from your strengths which is what Beinfest did when trading gonzalez (we also had stokes who unfortunatley busted).

 

It's part of the game. Right now young pitching is our strength so that's our best chip in acquiring help now. If we do trade someone like Tucker....we have 6 other guys in the minors who have the talent to be as good or better than him.

 

 

I prefer not to trade tucker, rather some other pitching prospect. But i understand what you are trying to say.

if we could get fuentas at a decent price yes, but it looks like TB is leading that race.

I think Gregg is back, maybe Fuentes to set-up. I really don't like Torrealba, the Fish should just go after a low-end option like David Ross to split time with John Baker.

If we are in the thick of the race at the trade deadline (and I see no reason why we won't be), we have to make a move to bolster our pen, and maybe add a catcher or veteran bat off the bench. You don't get many opportunities to play for the pennant/ws with such a paltry payroll.

Its too bad the west is still wide open.. might be harder for them to give up players. Hopefully the dodgers run away with it shortly (after we're done playing them of course)

Right now Fuentes looks like he's going to Tampa Bay. We will most likely grab David Ross to platoon with Baker, and Borowski may be an option to be a set-up guy to Gregg. Other than that the marlins will stand pat at the Trade Deadline.