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Marlins got some bad news from Arizona this week, where prized OF prospect John Raynor may have suffered a broken hand while getting hit with a pitch on Monday.

 

The injury was severe enough to knock Raynor out of the Rising Stars game on Friday, which pits the cream of the crop from the prospects-only Arizona Fall League.

 

Still waiting for confirmation from Marlins scouting and development czar Jim Fleming, but Fleming was quoted in the Wilmington (N.C.) Star-News -- Raynor played college ball there -- as saying, "It is not healing well. He may be done this fall."

 

In 33 at-bats covering eight games, Raynor had already hit for the cycle and compiled a .364 average. He had stolen successfully in four of five tries.

 

If he misses out on the second half of the AFL season, it doesn't necessarily rule out him making the big-league roster for Opening Day. But it does rob him of valuable development time against top young pitching.

 

Remember, it was in the AFL that Dan Uggla went from D-backs extra to Rule 5 fodder and eventually to rookie All-Star with the Marlins.

 

By the way, Class A lefty Sean West did pitch in the Rising Stars game and registered three strikeouts and two walks in his sole inning of work. He reportedly hit 96 mph on the gun and flashed a high-80s slider.

 

 

Never want to see someone get hurt. Hopefully it doesn't affect his play after it heals. Get well soon, John!

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

 

Along with this having nothing to do with Raynor, No he won't be our closer thats up to Tucker or Lindstrom. If West dosent fit in the starting role he could be a good MR or even SU man or even a lefty specialist.

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

 

Along with this having nothing to do with Raynor, No he won't be our closer thats up to Tucker or Lindstrom. If West dosent fit in the starting role he could be a good MR or even SU man or even a lefty specialist.

you do realize it talked about west in there to right?

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

You don't move someone with the ability of a Sean West from the important spot of starter to the not so important role of closer until they prove that they are just not cut out to be a starter or that much better suited to be a closer (or in the bullpen), ala Tucker.

 

Sean West has the highest ceiling of any of our minor league prospects, and I'd even take it a step further and say he has the highest ceiling of any starter within the Marlins organization, majors or minors. Now are the chances good that he reaches that ceiling? Probably not, but I at least want to find out...

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

yes

 

Hes had t.j. surgery and he cant throw more than 6 innings and we have a very large overload at sp.

 

Also just wanted to add that we do not have an overload of SP. We have 3 guys that look solid (Johnson, Volstad, Nolasco), 1 guy that will probably be good but has been terrible so far in the majors (Miller) 1 guy who has been good but is coming off an injury that most do not recover from (Anibal), 1 guy that will probably be traded (Olsen) and no real top 25 type pitching prospects that I would consider safe bets to be major league starters in the minors right now.

 

All our pitching prospects in the minors are either straight up mediocre, better suited for the bullpen or have big question marks regarding injuries or just being too young/raw. If you think otherwise go ahead and rattle off some names...

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

yes

 

Hes had t.j. surgery and he cant throw more than 6 innings and we have a very large overload at sp.

 

They are probably going to keep him as a starter for a while, even if he is eventually shifted. It's better for his progression to get the amount of innings that he will be as a starter.

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

You don't move someone with the ability of a Sean West from the important spot of starter to the not so important role of closer until they prove that they are just not cut out to be a starter or that much better suited to be a closer (or in the bullpen), ala Tucker.

 

Sean West has the highest ceiling of any of our minor league prospects, and I'd even take it a step further and say he has the highest ceiling of any starter within the Marlins organization, majors or minors. Now are the chances good that he reaches that ceiling? Probably not, but I at least want to find out...

 

 

I beg to differ.

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

You don't move someone with the ability of a Sean West from the important spot of starter to the not so important role of closer until they prove that they are just not cut out to be a starter or that much better suited to be a closer (or in the bullpen), ala Tucker.

 

Sean West has the highest ceiling of any of our minor league prospects, and I'd even take it a step further and say he has the highest ceiling of any starter within the Marlins organization, majors or minors. Now are the chances good that he reaches that ceiling? Probably not, but I at least want to find out...

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

You think the closer role is as important to being a starter?

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Am I the only one who think Sean West should be moved to a closer? He could be more filthy than Tucker based on what i've read.

 

You don't move someone with the ability of a Sean West from the important spot of starter to the not so important role of closer until they prove that they are just not cut out to be a starter or that much better suited to be a closer (or in the bullpen), ala Tucker.

 

Sean West has the highest ceiling of any of our minor league prospects, and I'd even take it a step further and say he has the highest ceiling of any starter within the Marlins organization, majors or minors. Now are the chances good that he reaches that ceiling? Probably not, but I at least want to find out...

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

You think the closer role is as important to being a starter?

 

 

Not as important, but the closer role still is a very important positon. Having a good closer could change many losses into wins.

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Not as important, but the closer role still is a very important positon. Having a good closer could change many losses into wins.

 

 

 

It's not "a very important position". Sure having a great closer compared to a mediocre pitcher might make a difference, but the fact remains that a closer only has to get three outs and they are an easy position to find, especially when compared to starting pitching. A bad starting pitcher can become a good closer. See: Gregg, Kevin.

 

As for your second statement -

 

Well, that's precisely the problem: the very name. "Save" is as misleading a term as "reality television." Closers don't really "save" many games these days, nor is the game really on the line most of the time. Closers merely conclude what is usually a foregone conclusion. By the time the music starts and they charge to the mound to protect a three-run lead, the victory is already all but assured.

 

Don't believe me? Check out this study by Dave Smith of Retrosheet. He researched late-inning leads over 73 seasons, from 1944 to 2003, and an additional 14 seasons prior to that span. What he found is that the winning percentage for teams who enter the ninth inning with a lead has remained virtually unchanged over the decades. Regardless of the pitching strategy, teams entering the ninth inning with a lead win roughly 95 percent of the time. That was the exact rate in 1901 and that was the rate 100 seasons later. In fact, the rate has varied merely from a high of 96.7 percent in 1909 to a low of 92.5 percent in 1941.

 

But I know what you're thinking. That study applies to all leads, including big ones. But what about the slim leads, the ones defined as "save situations"? Glad you asked. Because Smith looked at those leads as well. And what he found is winning rates for those leads have also remained constant -- one-run leads after eight innings have been won roughly 85 percent of the time, two-run leads 94 percent of the time and three-run leads about 96 percent of the time.

 

A great article on closers

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