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What's the point of heckling Carlos Delgado? The guy picked us to sign with out of several suitors in FA and we happened to turn around and send him out of town for minor leaguers the next year.

 

 

Just the joys of being a drunk college student taking a break from summer classes. Not saying the Delgado heckling in June 2006 was rational. It just kind of happened...because we were drunk college kids surrounded by Mets fans in the Fish Tank.

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Ha, my favorite was heckling Carlos Delgado when he came back in 2006. Not like he could hear us. Then a Mets fan in front of us stood up and purposely mooned us with his disgusting, hairy ass.

 

 

What's the point of heckling Carlos Delgado? The guy picked us to sign with out of several suitors in FA and we happened to turn around and send him out of town for minor leaguers the next year.

Actually, we sent him to the Mets for Mike Jacobs.

Mike Jacobs got us Leo Nunez 4 years later.

Leo Nunez turned into Juan Carlos Oviedo 3 years later.

Juan Carlos Oviedo ... to be determined.

 

Leo Nunez was a total screw-up and it's fitting that his career ended with a fraud, which is what he was as a closer. But I'm confident that this Oviedo guy is gonna do well as a set-up man. He hasn't had an ERA over 4.06 in the last 5 years, and plus a change of scenery from playing in the black hole that was Florida to coming to an exciting locale like Miami can only help him.

 

He's gonna be the same guy because roles don't really matter. You're either a good reliever or you're not a good reliever. Leo Nunez worst season as a Marlin was as a setup man. The whole "doesn't have the mentality to be a closer" is bulls***. He's just not very good. Always been the same guy. He allows too many HR's to be the very good high-leverage reliever the Marlins hope he can become.

 

The thing is, you can manage a guy when he has his bad moments as a setup man and pull him from the game before he blows it. If a guy is the closer, not only have you usually used up your better alternative relievers, its always a big deal when he gets pulled. Pulling a closer in a save situation is like pulling your starting QB in football. It creates a focal point for controversy and its a big deal. Nobody gives two craps when a setup man is pulled because his role isn't defined and he pitches regularly in the middle innings and is expected to give way to somebody else.

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The thing is, you can manage a guy when he has his bad moments as a setup man and pull him from the game before he blows it. If a guy is the closer, not only have you usually used up your better alternative relievers, its always a big deal when he gets pulled. Pulling a closer in a save situation is like pulling your starting QB in football. It creates a focal point for controversy and its a big deal. Nobody gives two craps when a setup man is pulled because his role isn't defined and he pitches regularly in the middle innings and is expected to give way to somebody else.

 

 

Bit more to it than that. With relievers you can basically pick the guys he's going to be pitching to. Righty/lefty matchups. Guys he has pitched very well to in the past. etc.... Your designated closer gets whatever comes up to the plate. He better have that feeling he can get anybody out in that situation. Almost everyone in baseball says mentality has something to do with being a good closer. Think I'll go with their opinions.

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I think it's silly to care about matchups up until the ninth inning.

 

If you're faced with a situation where Ryan Howard is at the plate an represents the winning or tying run and you stick with a right-handed pitcher solely because it's "his inning," you deserve to lose.

 

Just because it's orthodoxy doesn't mean it's smart baseball.

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The thing is, you can manage a guy when he has his bad moments as a setup man and pull him from the game before he blows it. If a guy is the closer, not only have you usually used up your better alternative relievers, its always a big deal when he gets pulled. Pulling a closer in a save situation is like pulling your starting QB in football. It creates a focal point for controversy and its a big deal. Nobody gives two craps when a setup man is pulled because his role isn't defined and he pitches regularly in the middle innings and is expected to give way to somebody else.

 

 

Bit more to it than that. With relievers you can basically pick the guys he's going to be pitching to. Righty/lefty matchups. Guys he has pitched very well to in the past. etc.... Your designated closer gets whatever comes up to the plate. He better have that feeling he can get anybody out in that situation. Almost everyone in baseball says mentality has something to do with being a good closer. Think I'll go with their opinions.

 

He's struggled more throughout his career against left-handed hitters so, yes, that might help. If he stays on the team though, I doubt the Marlins use him that way considering he's making 6 million dollars next year. They'd want him to pitch the 8th inning.

 

At the end of the day, there's not much, if anything, that can statistically support this. Heath Bell isn't better than Leo Nunez because he has a different mentality. Heath Bell is better because he's better. He was a dominant middle reliever/setup man before becoming a dominant closer. Leo Nunez has been neither one.

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I think it's silly to care about matchups up until the ninth inning.

 

If you're faced with a situation where Ryan Howard is at the plate an represents the winning or tying run and you stick with a right-handed pitcher solely because it's "his inning," you deserve to lose.

 

Just because it's orthodoxy doesn't mean it's smart baseball.

 

 

This.

 

Although I understand their point because regardless of what we think, managers tend to stick with their guy.

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