January 9, 200422 yr Also can someone explain to me why the city is doing so much for UM? I thought they were a private university. It'd be a nice gesture for the city to help a small bit, but this much for 6-7 games of college football? are you kidding? it's the university of MIAMI. it's the city's university with city's football team. the people in this county predominantly root for that team. the hurricanes have more fan support down here than the marlins. the city owns the 66-year old pathetic orange bowl, which sorely needs a facelift. it's a run down and miserable venue owned by the city. some time ago, the city approved a $100 million restoration project of it, which begins in a year or two. this new marlins ballpark proposal basically uses that $100 million to make two crappy stadiums. UM gets shafted with this proposal.
January 9, 200422 yr UM is not a city university, it's a private university. They should feel lucky to use a city site to play their games at. Let's face reality. The city has limited funds, and a stadium that needs repairs. I think it would be fair to all those involved to build a stadium on the site for both tenants to share. *waits for how OB is a historical place.* It lost its significance when the Orange bowl game left for PPS.
January 9, 200422 yr UM is not a city university, it's a private university. They should feel lucky to use a city site to play their games at. Let's face reality. The city has limited funds, and a stadium that needs repairs. I think it would be fair to all those involved to build a stadium on the site for both tenants to share. *waits for how OB is a historical place.* It lost its significance when the Orange bowl game left for PPS. perhaps you were not aware, but both private and public universities receive funding from local government. despite being a private institution, the university relies a great deal on local and state funding. like it or not, the vast majority of major private universities with competitive football teams get to play in stadiums largely paid for by their local governments. what problem could you possibly have with that? are you opposed to the city running the orange bowl because university of miami athletics is a private entity? what about the florida marlins, then? don't you think they are more of a private entity? the team is a business seeking to make profit for its ownership and investors. a private university serves the public and is a completely nonprofit organization... there is no such thing as an investor making money off of a university. all funds are exhausted on the students and the community. believe it or not, the hurricanes have a much larger fanbase down here than the marlins. i could care less about the historic nature of the OB, but this proposal outright hurts the hurricanes and it gives a lousy excuse for a stadium to the marlins.
January 9, 200422 yr guys, this is good for all involved. UM would get a new and better facility and the Marlins would get a home. It has it's quirks, but this isn't set in stone.
January 9, 200422 yr guys, this is good for all involved. UM would get a new and better facility and the Marlins would get a home. It has it's quirks, but this isn't set in stone. UM is already going to get a new and better facility. do you think the proposed new orange bowl football stadium is better than the $100M renovations they were slated to get? the initial plan was to turn the orange bowl into an impressive, modern football facility. as it stands, the marlins get an ugly, roofless stadium in a non-ideal location with no parking. that's why i don't think this is a good deal for either team.
January 9, 200422 yr I am going to comment on this last section from the article..... ''We don't want to build another white elephant in the city of Miami,'' said Commissioner Joe Sanchez. ``And we just don't need another baseball stadium.'' What baseball stadium? Joe Robbie? Thats a football stadium.
January 9, 200422 yr furthermore.... why in the blue hell are there TWO arenas in Miami? Are your politicians that stupid.
January 9, 200422 yr furthermore.... why in the blue hell are there TWO arenas in Miami? Are your politicians that stupid. they are that stupid. two generations of them.
January 9, 200422 yr ideally you would build a baseball stadium and have miami organize a lease with Joe Robbie. oh wait, there is the historical significance. the city of miami is too cheap to build a stadium for their baseball franchise and have been since the team's inception. lets look at the last 4 expansion teams.... the marlins brothers got a new stadium. incidentially denver also built a new football stadium and I believe arena within 10 years. the diamonbacks built a new stadium. the devilrays got a 'new' stadium that was renovated. wait a minute, maybe its a florida thing.
January 9, 200422 yr Das, the dome was built in 1990. It is new, but the D-Rays renovated it by reducing capacity.
January 9, 200422 yr I am fully aware that the dome was built then. Its kinda like the Alamodome, that place was built AFTER domes were really popular but just before the new reniassance started with Camden Yards toward stadium development. And when the Devil Rays moved in in 1998, it was not new. New would be something built within a year, two tops. It was an unused place renovated to try to look nice.
January 9, 200422 yr The dome was built to court a baseball franchise to come to Tampa. It just took 8 years. Alkazoid: I'm not familar with many private universities being the sole tenants of arenas and stadiums built with the public contributing more than the university and their partners. Most around me, and those that I'm familiar with share the facilities with atleast one pro franchise, or another college. Or the majority of the funding comes from the college and their alumni. As private entities asking for public help, neither UM or the Marlins can demand anything. The city is doing a service for them. It's true that both bring money back to the city, but I don't see why the city has to cater to both UM and the Marlins (I know they've objected to a shared stadium too, and I think they'd might reconsider it if it wasn't the rehash OB design) when it could save the public millions of dollars by building a shared stadium. It saves a bit more tax payer money, and means few neighboring houses of the new stadium will be condemned to build parking lots.
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