January 18, 200422 yr I am not here to pick fights That is questionable, when people here can pick up that you are and people on your own board attack you for doing so. Let's go down the roster and see when everyone arrived, because I am game too and I think I know the team I've been following all my life a little bit better: Kurt Abbott: 1993 Antonio Alfonseca: 1997 (minors call up) Moises Alou: before 1997 season Alex Arias: Expansion Draft Bobby Bonilla: before 1997 season Kevin Brown: 1995 John Cangelosi: 1997 Luis Castillo: 1996 (minors call up) Jeff Conine: Expansion Draft Dennis Cook: 1996 Craig Counsell: 1997 (traded for when he had just been called up from the minors) Darren Daulton: 1997 (midseason trade) Jim Eisenreich: 1997 Alex Fernandez: 1996 Cliff Floyd: 1997 Rick Helling: 1996 Felix Heredia: 1996 (minors call up) Livan Hernandez: 1997 (minors call up, pitched one game in 1996) Mark Hutton: 1996 (traded midseason for Counsell) Charles Johnson: 1994 (MLB Debut, he was first ever Marlins draft pick out of the U of M) Al Leiter: 1995 Matt "Iceman" Mantei: 1995 (minors call up, didn't pitch in 1997) Bob Natal: 1993 Rob Nen: 1993 Jay Powell: 1995 Pat Rapp: 1993 Edgar Renteria: 1996 (minors call up) Tony Saunders: 1997 (minors call up) Gary Sheffield: 1993 John Whener: 1997 Devon White: 1996 Gregg Zaun: 1996 Damn man, what a bought team! You just proved my point. Most of your top talent besides Sheffield, Nen and Johnson was bought and paid for in 96/97 except livan hernandez, whom I never used as proof. When you say Brown 95, that is offseason 95. He played the 96 season. All your free agent acquisitions you typed up are deceiving. You type Floyd 97, Brown 95, yet Brown started only a year before Floyd. Since you are obviously stubborn I will say it one last time. The Marlins dumped salary after the 97 Series. Why, monetary reasons. Pudge left Florida. Why? Monetary reasons. So anyone who sticks up for the Marlins after the 97 Series and yet ridicules Pudge for leaving is a hypocrite. And Mr. Know it all, no one ever said that a bought championship wouldn't be full of home grown people. The players that got you over the Top are the ones that were bought and paid for. They lied to the players that signed there and broke them all apart in Winter 97, so I do not feel sorry what so ever for Pudge leaving. Like I said, its all about the money in these two circumstances, and if you see it no other way that is because you are stubborn.
January 18, 200422 yr No, apparently you need to recheck the numbers. I listed the numbers unmanipulated for all to see because you are wrong. You, on the other hand, continue to fight a fight you shall not win. I'm outta here, Miami's night life calls. Maybe you'll be inspired and get a life of your own instead of coming to other people's boards and claiming to be right when you couldn't be farther from the truth.
January 18, 200422 yr Jeff Conine? LOLOLOL Your credibility just died right there. Mr. Marlin was on the Opening Day roster. Yeah, he was one of those free agents we bought. Kevin Brown and Al Leiter too right? Maybe you'd like to include Rob Nen? Or how about Gary Sheffield? They were all here from before. That is just the fact of the matter. Alou came in 97, as did Bonilla. 80% of the starting staff, what won us the World Series? Already there. 77% of the position starters? Already there. Over 90% of the pen? Yup, already there. Maybe you should recheck yourself. The reason the team was gutted was because Huizenga wanted to sell the team for cheap. He was never a baseball owner. He was only ever interested in the Miami Dolphins. He could care less about the Marlins (or the Panthers, of which he did the same thing). Maybe, just MAYBE, you should actually know what you are talking about before you open your big ass mouth. Hmm, as I said, most were brought in in 96 AND 97, and the firesale is laughable when selling a club. Yes, you may have to cut corners, but a complete firesale? A club sells fairly frequently in the majors, and you dont see them doing firesales. I am not here to pick fights, but considering that you want to throw words around I am game. Go for it. dude, we didnt firesale! our former greedy ass bastard of an owner did yet you are saying its our fault? :banghead No, I am not saying it is your fault, it was the Marlins fault. It was owned by that greedy bastard when it happened. I am not saying you did it. I am saying the Florida Marlins did it. Did they or did they not have a fire sale?
January 18, 200422 yr No, apparently you need to recheck the numbers. I listed the numbers unmanipulated for all to see because you are wrong. You, on the other hand, continue to fight a fight you shall not win. I'm outta here, Miami's night life calls. Maybe you'll be inspired and get a life of your own instead of coming to other people's boards and claiming to be right when you couldn't be farther from the truth. Then your source is wrong because Kevin Brown pitched in Baltimore in 95. Hate to burst your bubble but it is true. :thumbdown :whistle
January 18, 200422 yr So I am pretty sure all those players weren't a fluke.? Most were brought in to win a world series only to be dumped a year later, while mainstays were also dumped in money saving moves.? They did bring in the players to buy a World Series.? There is nothing wrong with that, but for the fans that are pissed off that Pudge left because of money, I just named 10 reasons why Florida also was all about money.? Thus, if they can't see that they are hypocritical.? Good enough explanation?? :banghead how does being prior victims of a firesale make it "hypocritical" of florida fans to be "pissed off" that pudge left? i'm sorry, but your logic escapes me.
January 18, 200422 yr So I am pretty sure all those players weren't a fluke.? Most were brought in to win a world series only to be dumped a year later, while mainstays were also dumped in money saving moves.? They did bring in the players to buy a World Series.? There is nothing wrong with that, but for the fans that are pissed off that Pudge left because of money, I just named 10 reasons why Florida also was all about money.? Thus, if they can't see that they are hypocritical.? Good enough explanation??? :banghead how does being prior victims of a firesale make it "hypocritical" of florida fans to be "pissed off" that pudge left? i'm sorry, but your logic escapes me. The point all along was that they should not complain about Pudge leaving when the Marlins did it to their players a few years back. Those players expected to play for a winner and when all was said and done they were shipped out. Money was a factor in both circumstances, so I am just saying if you feel bad for the Marlins now, but don't realize they did it to their players in offseason 97/98 then it is hypocritical. I think I either did not explain well enough or you all misunderstood what I was saying. That was my only point I was trying to make. I am not trying to insult you, the fan.
January 18, 200422 yr So I am pretty sure all those players weren't a fluke.? Most were brought in to win a world series only to be dumped a year later, while mainstays were also dumped in money saving moves.? They did bring in the players to buy a World Series.? There is nothing wrong with that, but for the fans that are pissed off that Pudge left because of money, I just named 10 reasons why Florida also was all about money.? Thus, if they can't see that they are hypocritical.? Good enough explanation??? :banghead how does being prior victims of a firesale make it "hypocritical" of florida fans to be "pissed off" that pudge left? i'm sorry, but your logic escapes me. The point all along was that they should not complain about Pudge leaving when the Marlins did it to their players a few years back. Those players expected to play for a winner and when all was said and done they were shipped out. Money was a factor in both circumstances, so I am just saying if you feel bad for the Marlins now, but don't realize they did it to their players in offseason 97/98 then it is hypocritical. I think I either did not explain well enough or you all misunderstood what I was saying. That was my only point I was trying to make. I am not trying to insult you, the fan. either you don't know the meaning of the word "hypocrite" or "hypocritical", or i am just completely clueless. read this link when you get the chance: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hypocrite actually, don't even bother with that one. just read this one: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/t/troll.html and stop acting like such a douche while you're at it. this isn't a florida vs. detroit thread. i could slander your fanbase, go on about how horrendous your team is and how lucky they would be to have any sort of firesale, but that's not even the point of this thread and i'd rather not pick needless fights. i'll behave respectfully, and i hope you will do the same.
January 18, 200422 yr I guess it's way too much to ask for a player to show some loyalty to the team that gave him a chance when no one else would pay him the big money, and the team that got him his first championship ring. It's kind of surprising to me also, because watching him during the playoffs he showed so much passion and determination. You could tell he was having a great time, and the guy loved to win. Then after the season it's like he forgot about all that and only cared about money. It's kind of ironic that he could end up with the Tigers, the worst team in baseball.
January 18, 200422 yr Ramp drop it, he isn't worth it. Not even the people on his own board like him. Apparently he is their version of Pubes. Not true, not true at all. Some can't stand me, and those were the ones you saw. Many more like and appreciate my enthusiasm and style of writing I bring to that forum.
January 18, 200422 yr I am not here to pick fights That is questionable, when people here can pick up that you are and people on your own board attack you for doing so. Let's go down the roster and see when everyone arrived, because I am game too and I think I know the team I've been following all my life a little bit better: Kurt Abbott: 1993 Antonio Alfonseca: 1997 (minors call up) Moises Alou: before 1997 season Alex Arias: Expansion Draft Bobby Bonilla: before 1997 season Kevin Brown: 1995 John Cangelosi: 1997 Luis Castillo: 1996 (minors call up) Jeff Conine: Expansion Draft Dennis Cook: 1996 Craig Counsell: 1997 (traded for when he had just been called up from the minors) Darren Daulton: 1997 (midseason trade) Jim Eisenreich: 1997 Alex Fernandez: 1996 Cliff Floyd: 1997 Rick Helling: 1996 Felix Heredia: 1996 (minors call up) Livan Hernandez: 1997 (minors call up, pitched one game in 1996) Mark Hutton: 1996 (traded midseason for Counsell) Charles Johnson: 1994 (MLB Debut, he was first ever Marlins draft pick out of the U of M) Al Leiter: 1995 Matt "Iceman" Mantei: 1995 (minors call up, didn't pitch in 1997) Bob Natal: 1993 Rob Nen: 1993 Jay Powell: 1995 Pat Rapp: 1993 Edgar Renteria: 1996 (minors call up) Tony Saunders: 1997 (minors call up) Gary Sheffield: 1993 John Whener: 1997 Devon White: 1996 Gregg Zaun: 1996 Damn man, what a bought team! abbot was on the team? and brown didnt pitch 95 he pitched 96-97 cook was 97 fernandez was 97 floyd was with the marlins in 96 me thinks
January 18, 200422 yr The addition of free agents isn't so out of the ordinary. Look at other competitive teams of recent times and you'll see that there is a lot of player turnover. For example, more than half of Cubs' 2003 significant personnel (100 AB, 20 IP) played for other organizations in 02-03. The Dodgers were close to half. Most others replaced a quarter or third of their on-field playing staff. Still you won't find a single Marlins fan who views the '98 firesale. They don't say it's for legitimate monetary reasons. Huizenga made his profits, but cooked his books by giving all the revenue to his stadium authority which went right into his pockets anyway. Why you ask? A. To beg for a new stadium, B. Get out.
January 18, 200422 yr abbot was on the team? and brown didnt pitch 95 he pitched 96-97 cook was 97 fernandez was 97 floyd was with the marlins in 96 me thinks Yes, Abbott was on the team *checks championship t-shirt with players' faces* My source for those years was MLB.com. I'm assuming that They put 1996 for Alex and Cook because they were signed offseason 96-97, but in the early part. And Floyd I'm not sure, he was a bench player anyways at the time.
January 18, 200422 yr damn whats with all the hatred on the Tigers????? i happen to like the tigers there my 3rd team....... damn you guys act as if there gonna lose another 100 games...... as i see it there gonna compete with the Whitesox and Royals..... Look at the lineup the can score runs now CF. Alex Sanchez " 287 average, 1 HR, 32 RBI's and 44 STOLEN BASES" 2b. Fernando Vina " injured last year, 02 stats.. 270 BA, 1 HR 54 RBI's 17 SB.." C. PUDGE DH. Dmitri Young " 297 BA, 29 Bombs, and 85 RBi's" LF. Rondel White " 289 BA, 22 bombs and 87 RBI's" RF. Craig Monroe " only batted 240, had 23 bombs 70 RBi;s, in only a 128 games he and Munson are my fav player on the team, cuz i think if he stays healthy this year he pops off 30-35 Bombs and maybe he swings at better pitches"... 3b. Eric Munson " batted 240, 18 bombs and 50 RBI's in only 99 games he like Monroe they both can combine 60-70 Jacks togathers and ova 150 RBI"S...... SS. Carlos Guillen " batted 276 7 bombs 52 RBi's, he is a #8 hitter not bad stats" and 1b ethier "OVARATED Higgenson or Pena who both have Pop and potential. ---------------------------------- Pitching 1. Jason Johnson 2. Nate Cornejo 3.Bonderman 4.Maroth 5.????? even thou they dont have the picthing there offense will keep em competeing..... cuz as u all know the AL cent is weak as hell...... there basicly the Blue Jays of 03.....
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