The human male grows until somewhere between ages 18 - 20, with most being done with their growth by 18. In an extreme case (like Kevin Garnett or Dennis Rodman) someone will grow until they're 21 or 22. I don't know where you got that 25 number from. Sure, an athlete will be bigger and stronger at age 25 than he will at age 20, because he's had 5 more years of weight training under his belt and had his metabolism slow down, but this definitely isn't the situation with Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire. These are guys who experience dramatic gains in a short time at an advanced age, and in some cases saw growth of facial features that aren't supposed to grow after 21 years of age.

u got it all wrong bud, 18-21 is the age for HEIGHT GROWTH your bone structure will continue to change afterwards.

 

Also, your body weight alters your FACIAL structure. if you gain weight you face is going 2 get bigger and alter in shape

 

and back to the other thought that the pictures are not only the exact same angles, but not the same distance either.

come on, sorianofan

The human male grows until somewhere between ages 18 - 20, with most being done with their growth by 18. In an extreme case (like Kevin Garnett or Dennis Rodman) someone will grow until they're 21 or 22. I don't know where you got that 25 number from. Sure, an athlete will be bigger and stronger at age 25 than he will at age 20, because he's had 5 more years of weight training under his belt and had his metabolism slow down, but this definitely isn't the situation with Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire. These are guys who experience dramatic gains in a short time at an advanced age, and in some cases saw growth of facial features that aren't supposed to grow after 21 years of age.

u got it all wrong bud, 18-21 is the age for HEIGHT GROWTH your bone structure will continue to change afterwards.

 

Also, your body weight alters your FACIAL structure. if you gain weight you face is going 2 get bigger and alter in shape

 

and back to the other thought that the pictures are not only the exact same angles, but not the same distance either. You are:

 

A) Wrong on the bone issues

B) Are nitpicking on the photos

 

You bones grow until you are about 18-20, like was said. In cases of people like myself, that are late bloomers, people will grow depending on how much longer they took. I'll probably be done 20-22 instead of 18-20. I think where you are getting messed up is that at 25 your bone structure and height, however so gradual, begins to decrease. You peak height if you are an average male is 20-25, and then it starts going very slowly downhill from there. As you get older the decrease will become faster, though still very slow compared to the speed at which you add height.

You are:

 

A) Wrong on the bone issues

B) Are nitpicking on the photos

 

You bones grow until you are about 18-20, like was said. In cases of people like myself, that are late bloomers, people will grow depending on how much longer they took. I'll probably be done 20-22 instead of 18-20. I think where you are getting messed up is that at 25 your bone structure and height, however so gradual, begins to decrease. You peak height if you are an average male is 20-25, and then it starts going very slowly downhill from there. As you get older the decrease will become faster, though still very slow compared to the speed at which you add height.

so u infer that these pictures are accurate and are a nice piece of evidence for steroid use?

I infur nothing of the sort, if you choose to read my words as such then you may choose to do so but only at your own expense. I currently bear no opinion on the ability of these pictures to prove for better or for worse whom in Major League Baseball is using illegal supplements to unfairly boost their playing abilities, though I do believe said players exist and I do believe some of the players examined in this so called witch hunt to be among those illegally boosting their abilities.

if you choose to read my words as such then you may choose to do so but only at your own expense.

calm down morpheous, thats why i was asking. i was only makin sure!

Sorry guys I am really busy and the site won't be updated for at least 5 days...I think.

 

I was watching the news and they had a doctor on and he claimed that an increase of testosterone via steroids triggers the body to naturally release more growth hormone (which I contend can cause a face to grow.) I'm just wondering Alk, what have you heard about this?

UPDATE!!!

3/27/04

 

After much fanfare, an update comes in between term papers. Nonetheless, there have been questions concerning posing, angles, and whether or not with natural age does a player's face grow naturally. Well, this should answer all questions, a pitcure of Ken Griffey Junior as a rookie and one from the August of 2003.

 

 

After many years and packed on pounds, Griffey's head is close to identical. There is no visual evidence of HGH or steroid abuse.

 

Now to fan mail:

 

From Celestino Teixeira:

 

your website is on the money,

However, not all steroids change your facial structure. Primobolan depot,

winstrol, Anavar, and even Deca durabolin do not have great androgenic

properties, thus not changing a players facial structure. going by facial

structure alone is not enough to determine if a player is juicing? Sammy is

defintely juicing, however he isn't using HGH or testosterone. he could be

using Primo?

 

 

My reply:

 

Depending on who you talk to HGH is the ONLY substance capable of altering

facial structure. What is 100% known is that HGH abuse certainly has the

capability to change facial structure.

 

However, Sosa's have not. This can mean the following:

1. He's not abusing steroids and especially HGH

2. He's abusing both but have avoided side effects

3. He's abusing just HGH but has avoided side effects

4. He's just abusing steroids

 

Now, if he just took steroids and not HGH, he would be quite the physical

speciman, because he has avoided all steroid related injury (tendons,

joints, ect.) Steroids will break down your body even with the help of

HGH, especially because the elasticity of movement baseball requires.

However, Sosa can be a freak of nature and avoid all injury and still

juice. He can also be a freak of nature and not abuse HGH or steroids.

The jury is out.

 

 

After some time, I have also learned after watching the news that some doctors believe that increased testosterone CAN lead to the side effects produced by HGH.

 

I have found the following on Primo:

 

"Side effects with Primobolan Depot are minimal and manifest them-selves only rarely and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Due to the androgenic residual effect, side effects include light acne, deep voice or increased hair growth. Primobolan Depot has even less in-fluence on the liver function than the oral form so that an increase of the liver's toxin values is extremely unlikely. The blood pressure, cholesterol level, HDL and LDL values, as with Primo tablets, usu-ally remain unaffected. Primobolan Depot is generally the safest in-jectable steroid. Athletes whose liver values strongly increase when taking anabolic steroids but who still do not want to give up their use, under periodical supervision of these values, can go ahead and try a stack of Primobolan Depot, Deca-Durabolin, and Andriol. Primobolan Depot, like the tablets, has only a very small influence on the hypothalamohypophysial tes-ticular axis so that the body's own testosterone production is only reduced when very high dosages are taken over a prolonged period of time."

 

It is technically not as good of a muscle building steroid, but a steroid nonetheless. It is used by female athletes because of less sexual side effects and so it is the "relatively safe" steroid. However, increasing muscle mass still creates tightness, so how Sosa was able to avoid these injuries is a testament to great genetics. So "minimal side effects" is not quite "none" so Sosa I remain with "the jury is still out."

so, is this thing over

so, is this thing over

Yeah, this was alotta fun. I miss it!

Bump Bump Bump Bump it up

okay, I'll work on something right now instead of studying for a lab final

4/19/04

 

Gary Sheffield + Balco + THG + HGH = Bigger Gary

 

 

I find it fairly obvious that Gary Sheffield, who received packages from Baclo also seems to used what those boxes contained. Notice the sides of his head left and right of his eyes. There's simply more bone. It is not a matter of weight, his head grew and I find all those implicated in the Balco controversy are most likely guilty.

 

I plan on in my next update to do a player or so that is not blatantly accused of steroid use.

4/22/04

 

Jim Thome Should Teach Those Kids How To Shoot Up

 

 

 

It was pretty difficult to find a passable rookie picture (this one is from 1992) of Jim Thome and the eye method was difficult to do. However, I did my best and even matched up his ears and nose. The result is that Jim Thome shows evidence of HGH abuse and I presume steroid use as well. It is rather simple to observe left and right from Jim's eyes and that is not fat or muscle there...it is just added bone by the looks of it.

 

I always thought he was juicing anyway...

 

http://www.xanga.com/steroidwithchhunt

I know I shouldn't do this but...

 

BUMP!

:plain

 

 

 

 

SorianoFan needs to come back and laugh at Mays24Bonds25, now that will be the uber pizawn.

You guys are obsessed..... It's hilarious.