Marriage is an institution in this country that is strongly connected with Judeo-Christian values and the majority of people in this country feel that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman.

hey cmon now, what's this judeo-christian mumbo?

 

it's not like the jews and christians invented marriage. Who did then? The U.S.? Marriage is a religious based institution.

Well, I didn't come on here to convert anyone to my beliefs on gay marriage. That's what I think about the issue and you can think what you want to think.

Marriage is an institution in this country that is strongly connected with Judeo-Christian values and the majority of people in this country feel that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman.

hey cmon now, what's this judeo-christian mumbo?

 

it's not like the jews and christians invented marriage. Who did then? The U.S.? Marriage is a religious based institution. i was foolishly reacting to the words judeo-christian in your post.

 

you're correct, sorry.

 

marriage is a religious institution... i was just going to point out that there were religions before judaism that also had marriage.

do any religions recognize gay marriages?

Does the judeo-christian heritage believe in checks and balances? Was jesus a political warrior in his time? Should christians be so involved in politics as they are in todays society? WWJD? More than half of my friends at UF are christians (i am not one) and they are abhorred by the republican parties whoring of the religious right. Got off on a tangent there, but religion and government should never be mixed...see some comments...

 

In remarks some say were demeaning to Islam, Army Lt. Gen. William Boykin told church audiences his mission was ?a battle with Satan.? The struggle, Boykin said, is ?because we?re a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian ? and the enemy is a guy named Satan.?

 

 

Do we need this in our government which according to jesus is secular and should not be worshipped by christians. Many of the religious right worship bush and the republican party and call the left "satan's party." Manipulation at its best.

Marriage is an institution in this country that is strongly connected with Judeo-Christian values and the majority of people in this country feel that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman.

hey cmon now, what's this judeo-christian mumbo?

 

it's not like the jews and christians invented marriage. Who did then? The U.S.? Marriage is a religious based institution. If it is a religious based union then do you think its right for the government to reward one religion over another (tax break)?

I'm pro-life and against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with religion for me. Marriage is not a right in this country, it is a privilege. I have no problem with civil unions no matter who it is that is getting the union (gay, lesbian, straight, no ual relationship, etc.) Marriage was intended to be between one man and one woman and that is how it should stay. I am pro-life because I just believe that these fetuses deserve the right to live. Unless it is a , I am completely against abortion. People should consider the consequences before going off and having with everyone on the block.

Big surprise, you're voting Bush. Gays have a right to marriage, it is a fundamental right to any person in love.

 

Furthermore, fetuses aren't human.

Who says that marriage was intended between a male and a female out of curiosity?? This is "moral" passed on from religious dogma nothing more.? I'm heterosexual but I dont think that gives me the right to say only my type of relationship can warrant legal marriage.? Republicans are so against regulating business yet they feel the need to regulate social life.? One quick benefit of gay marriage is it will lower the spread of the AIDS virus....think about it.

well 38 states strictly define marriage as between a man and a woman. The country was founded on Christianity. Why won't civil unions slow the spread of the AIDS virus. Why do gays need marriage to slow down the spread of this horrific disease. Ahh the age old question of church and state. Where in the Constitution does it say our government is based on Christianity? Why would we want to place one religion above another? I don't care what religion our founding fathers are. Anything that stems from religion (which si almsot certainly made up) is ridiculous, thus supporting "traditions" passed on by religion is nothing more than imposing your religion on someone else.

 

The ignorant and hateful are against gay marriage. How does sexual orientation deprive you of FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS? All men are created equal right? Equal protection under the law, something called the 14th ammendment.

 

Its in the constitution, gay marriage should not be illegal without going against the 1st and 14th ammendments.

Well if you grant gay marriage then you also have to allow people to be able to marry animals, inanimate things, multiple people, etc. because under equal protection they are allowed to do so. If you are fine with that then you should probably be for gay marriage but I am not fine with that. Also, I am not a very religious person and certainly do not believe that the left is "Satan's party".

I'm pro-life and against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with religion for me. Marriage is not a right in this country, it is a privilege. I have no problem with civil unions no matter who it is that is getting the union (gay, lesbian, straight, no ual relationship, etc.) Marriage was intended to be between one man and one woman and that is how it should stay. I am pro-life because I just believe that these fetuses deserve the right to live. Unless it is a , I am completely against abortion. People should consider the consequences before going off and having with everyone on the block.

how f***ing ignorant

Well if you grant gay marriage then you also have to allow people to be able to marry animals, inanimate things, multiple people, etc. because under equal protection they are allowed to do so. If you are fine with that then you should probably be for gay marriage but I am not fine with that. Also, I am not a very religious person and certainly do not believe that the left is "Satan's party".

An interesting point and Im not sure how I feel about poligamy(sp?) or people marrying animals and inanimate objects. I probably would lean towards not caring though because it doesn't hurt anyone and it shouldnt be the role of government to decide the legality of these personal choices.

I'm pro-life and against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with religion for me. Marriage is not a right in this country, it is a privilege. I have no problem with civil unions no matter who it is that is getting the union (gay, lesbian, straight, no ual relationship, etc.) Marriage was intended to be between one man and one woman and that is how it should stay. I am pro-life because I just believe that these fetuses deserve the right to live. Unless it is a , I am completely against abortion. People should consider the consequences before going off and having with everyone on the block.

how f***ing ignorant please explain your viewpoint rather than just remarking immaturely

My responce towards Gay Marriage has been: If were going by Christianity and it's morals, does that mean jealousy and disagreements with parents should be outlawed?

 

Also to the comment, this country was founded on christianity, this country was also one vote away from being German Speaking, should we honor THe founders and force German to be mandatory in schools?

Well if you grant gay marriage then you also have to allow people to be able to marry animals, inanimate things, multiple people, etc. because under equal protection they are allowed to do so. If you are fine with that then you should probably be for gay marriage but I am not fine with that. Also, I am not a very religious person and certainly do not believe that the left is "Satan's party".

No, all PEOPLE are equal under the law. All MEN are created equal. There's nothing about orientation or beastality.

 

So your anti-gay marriage agenda is illogical.

Well if you grant gay marriage then you also have to allow people to be able to marry animals, inanimate things, multiple people, etc. because under equal protection they are allowed to do so.? If you are fine with that then you should probably be for gay marriage but I am not fine with that.? Also, I am not a very religious person and certainly do not believe that the left is "Satan's party".

No, all PEOPLE are equal under the law. All MEN are created equal. There's nothing about orientation or beastality.

 

So your anti-gay marriage agenda is illogical. Well are you for polygamy because under equal protection that would be fine. And it's not much of an agenda I have. I am not trying to convert those who oppose my beliefs. I'm not out on the street with signs protesting it I am just stating my beliefs not trying to force them on you.

I'm pro-life and against gay marriage but it has nothing to do with religion for me.? Marriage is not a right in this country, it is a privilege.? I have no problem with civil unions no matter who it is that is getting the union (gay, lesbian, straight, no? ? ual relationship, etc.)? Marriage was intended to be between one man and one woman and that is how it should stay.? I am pro-life because I just believe that these fetuses deserve the right to live.? Unless it is a? ? , I am completely against abortion.? People should consider the consequences before going off and having? ? with everyone on the block.

how f***ing ignorant please explain your viewpoint rather than just remarking immaturely You wanna know my views, here you go..

 

Gay Marriage:

 

Gays/Lesbians are people just like you and me (except their sexual orientation is different) so they deserve the same rights as everybody else. If we can get married, why should they not be allowed to get married? Who is it hurting? Are you not gonna be able to sleep at night because you know 2 people of the same gender are legally together? Just because someone directs sexual desire toward the same sex (which they're not even at fault at), they shouldn't be allowed to have the gift of marriage and sharing the same last name?

 

Adoption:

 

Who is the goverment to say what a woman does with her own body? I'm sure you don't know what it feels like to be 14/15 and female but imagine being that, having your whole life ahead of you and making one mistake...trust me, you would wanna get an abortion. And for instance, what if you were practicing safe sex and the condom broke? The woman should have to throw away her life and money to support the baby for no one's mistake? There's also many other factors that play into this as in what if the woman's health is affected or she was raped? Also, what about stem cell research?

"Safe " is an incorrect belief being that the only safe way is through abstinence. If the woman does not feel she can take care of the baby then it can be put up for adoption where it may have a better chance to succeed in life. I am not completely against stem cell research because I believe that it can be the answer to many diseases however it needs to be monitored by the government because cloning is not something that should be done on humans just for the heck of it.

 

Gays can share a last name if they want and they can get a union if they want as far as I am concerned. That will give them their rights. Marriage is not a right it is a privilege. Maybe government should just step out of marriage altogether. That is something that I think could fix this being that there is no reason for government to be involved in marriage anyway.

 

Thank you for sharing your views in an intelligible manner. I respect your opinion and hope that you will respect that I have a right to my opinion.

Well are you for polygamy because under equal protection that would be fine. And it's not much of an agenda I have. I am not trying to convert those who oppose my beliefs. I'm not out on the street with signs protesting it I am just stating my beliefs not trying to force them on you.

You are forcing your beliefs on me by supporting a law that takes away a fundamental right of people.

 

Furthermore, polygamy is fine as long as the people married are of age. I'm not about to question one religion's beliefs over another in this case.

 

 

By banning anything, you impose a belief, don't hide behind freedom of thought because you are standing against it.

"Safe " is an incorrect belief being that the only safe way is through abstinence. If the woman does not feel she can take care of the baby then it can be put up for adoption where it may have a better chance to succeed in life. I am not completely against stem cell research because I believe that it can be the answer to many diseases however it needs to be monitored by the government because cloning is not something that should be done on humans just for the heck of it.

So throwing "problems" away to adoption houses solves everything, right? There's nothing wrong with killing a fetus.

 

Gays can share a last name if they want and they can get a union if they want as far as I am concerned. That will give them their rights. Marriage is not a right it is a privilege. Maybe government should just step out of marriage altogether. That is something that I think could fix this being that there is no reason for government to be involved in marriage anyway.

By that logic, as long as a government recognizes "a union" gays are entitled to it as much as straights.

polygamy presents a far different issue than gay marriage.

 

 

polygamy involves a person being married to more than one person.

 

if you limit marriage to a union between two people then you eliminate that problem automatically.

 

if you write into it that it has to be two humans then that eliminates the problems of marrying animals and/or non intimate objects.

I respect your opinions but I just do not see eye-to-eye with most of you. I am anti-abortion and not for religious reasons and anti-gay marriage and not for religious reasons. If gays do not accept civil unions as a solution then maybe government should get out of marriage as there is not a need for it to be. Again these are just my beliefs and no I'm not forcing them on to you any more than you are forcing yours onto me. We aren't going to agree and I will leave it at that. When do morals matter is my question to the rest of you. Should we legalize and allow assisted-suicide among other things. I just want to know your viewpoints on some other controversial issues since we are always talking about gay marriage and abortion. I am against both of the aforementioned issues because if we allow these things to happen I see our society going downhill. Your thoughts. Please bring up some other controversial issues if you can think of any.

polygamy presents a far different issue than gay marriage.

 

 

polygamy involves a person being married to more than one person.

 

if you limit marriage to a union between two people then you eliminate that problem automatically.

 

if you write into it that it has to be two humans then that eliminates the problems of marrying animals and/or non intimate objects.

but under equal protection people should be able to marry as many people as they want if we allow gay marriage under equal protection. Believe me it will happen. As far as the animal thing, I guess that couldn't happen, disregard that part please.

Well, it gets into the issue of how consistent our policies are with the constitution.

 

We know the 1st ammendment has the establishment clause, so all religious/non religious beleifs cannot be persecuted.

 

We also know that the 14th ammendment (section I):

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

 

All persons. So this rules out the animal/inaminate object thing. However, polygamy must be kept legal as long as everyone is of legal age.

 

...marry as many people as they want if we allow gay marriage under equal protection. Believe me it will happen.

So, your dislike of polygamy should take away the rights of gays? That does not make sense.

 

We should be dispensing the rights people deserve.

For the last time, my main argument is that marriage in my understanding is not a right therefore no one is being deprived of something that is supposed to be guaranteed to them. You don't have a right to marriage therefore it can be denied to anyone.

the simpliest solution is to outlaw marriage for everyone.

 

 

or allow it for everyone.

 

 

if religions want to allow marriage, fine.

 

 

if its not a right then why should a married man and woman recieve benefits from the government for being a married couple.