February 11, 200422 yr by the way: 10000 per game = 0.81 million total 15000 per game = 1.21 million total 20000 per game = 1.62 million total 25000 per game = 2.03 million total 30000 per game = 2.43 million total last season we averaged 16244 per game i think we should have average around 25,000 per game, which puts us at around 2 million total attendance.
February 11, 200422 yr Yea but rember there will also be games we get like 40k+. Also remember those early spring night games, where 10,000 show up.
February 11, 200422 yr Yea but rember there will also be games we get like 40k+. Also remember those early spring night games, where 10,000 show up. That won't happen...
February 11, 200422 yr Author Yea but rember there will also be games we get like 40k+. Also remember those early spring night games, where 10,000 show up. If we're winning, that won't happen.
February 11, 200422 yr Yea but rember there will also be games we get like 40k+. Also remember those early spring night games, where 10,000 show up. If we're winning, that won't happen. And why is that? Various Teams that are contenders and have been for awhile, draw few in early spring, why is Miami going to be any different and when have they proved that it would be any different? Look at attendance figures in early spring who school still is going on, A lot of times they will play games either at 4 or at 7 but draw little because The chunk of fans that go to games, find it easier during the summer to go to weekend games. And Phenom even if they do draw 40,000 on Saturday night games, those numbers will still dip to around 15,000 to 20,000 during the summer on Weekday games and around 20 -25 k on Sunday. With more weekday games that would still average out to around 25k.
February 11, 200422 yr Author And why is that? Various Teams that are contenders and have been for awhile, draw few in early spring, why is Miami going to be any different and when have they proved that it would be any different? Because "various teams" didn't just win a world series title.
February 11, 200422 yr And why is that? Various Teams that are contenders and have been for awhile, draw few in early spring, why is Miami going to be any different and when have they proved that it would be any different? Because "various teams" didn't just win a world series title. Didn't The 1997 team also win The World Series, People read the newspaper and bandwagoners obviously are going to assume getting rid of an upper tier catcher and 1B is selling the team off? Just because you win it doesn't guarantee you an extra 10,000 fans early on. If The fans in Miami were that excited about Marlins Baseball, Season Ticket sales would be through the roof along with Opening Day tickets scarce. The Bluejays attendance has gone down the hill ever since 1993, teams like San Diego were not rewarded by instant stadium boom after making it to The Playoffs. When you have the reputation, The Marlins do from 97, multiple winning seasons are wins are in order before you can guarantee vast improvements. The Marlins will draw more this season but 2 million in the stadium that The Team does not want, is not guaranteed by any means esp
February 12, 200422 yr The Marlins are going to draw 2M +. The team will win and that will draw the fans. Besides, when you got Beckett and D-train, that is 2 games out of 5 that are going to draw interest. People want to see them pitch and Cabs, Conine and Lowell hit. I do think there will be an impact based on the stadium issue - if it is in place by Mar.15th, things will be fine. If not, people will start to panic...
February 12, 200422 yr Here's just a little info: The spike in Angels and DBack's sales after their wins were around 7 thousand a game. Which would put The Marlins at about 23,000 - 24,000
February 12, 200422 yr The Dbacks only needed Randy or Curt to pitch and it was an automatic sellout (44 or 46K i think). Hopefully Beckett and Dwilly can do something similar for the Fish
February 12, 200422 yr Here's just a little info: The spike in Angels and DBack's sales after their wins were around 7 thousand a game. Which would put The Marlins at about 23,000 - 24,000 actually, according to baseball-almanac, the angels' average attendance went up by 9000 and the dbacks' average attendance went up by 6000. to look at those numbers alone is extremely flawed, since both teams had good attendance to begin with and their increase in average attendance was heavily a function of available stadium capacity. when your average attendance is only 7000 shy of your stadium capacity (angels), you know that you're selling out a lot of games. every sellout blunts the potential increase in average attendance, so the raw numbers aren't exactly reliable for a team that has decent attendance to begin with. the marlins, on the other hand, are starting out with abysmal attendance and thus have MUCH more available capacity to fill. to extrapolate the average attendance gain of a WS winner that didn't have many empty seats to fill (angels or dbacks), upon the marlins, who have MANY TIMES MORE empty seats to be filled over 2003 numbers, is extremely flawed.
February 12, 200422 yr Here's just a little info: The spike in Angels and DBack's sales after their wins were around 7 thousand a game. Which would put The Marlins at about 23,000 - 24,000 actually, according to baseball-almanac, the angels' average attendance went up by 9000 and the dbacks' average attendance went up by 6000. to look at those numbers alone is extremely flawed, since both teams had good attendance to begin with and their increase in average attendance was heavily a function of available stadium capacity. when your average attendance is only 7000 shy of your stadium capacity (angels), you know that you're selling out a lot of games. every sellout blunts the potential increase in average attendance, so the raw numbers aren't exactly reliable for a team that has decent attendance to begin with. the marlins, on the other hand, are starting out with abysmal attendance and thus have MUCH more available capacity to fill. to extrapolate the average attendance gain of a WS winner that didn't have many empty seats to fill (angels or dbacks), upon the marlins, who have MANY TIMES MORE empty seats to be filled over 2003 numbers, is extremely flawed. I have not checked The Dbacks capacity, but The Angels still filled around 85% of their seats this season, so there was room and they also were 14th in attendance the year before, so it's not like they were top drawers. Plus The Angels have a wider market to fill those seats add that to the fact that The Angels were extreamly fan friendly(Cheap Beer and Food) 9,000 is a number that is going to be tough for The Marlins. And, Just because their's more seats to fill, more fans will come? Big Cookie Cutter Stadiums do not mean big numbers. The Phils last year, despite having plenty of open seats did respectable with a FA year to remember but more seats didn't mean bigger draws, plus with more seats means less parking which always turns fans off. The Marlins are going to draw 25k at the max but they have a few factors to go through before 25k is a consistent number every night.
February 12, 200422 yr Author Just some food for thought: If the Marlins sold out every game in one season, the estimated attendance at the end of the season would be an astounding 5,265,000.
February 12, 200422 yr I have not checked The Dbacks capacity, but The Angels still filled around 85% of their seats this season, so there was room and they also were 14th in attendance the year before, so it's not like they were top drawers. the angels sold out 40% of their home games last year despite having a sucky team. they went from having good attendance in 2002 (28,463 average) to selling out 40% of their games in 2003, resulting in an average attendance of 37,791. i am merely pointing out that the increase of 9,000 is GREATLY a product of how many empty seats they had available to fill. each sellout blunts what the actual increase would be, and there were a hell of a lot of sellouts. additionally, because 80% of games sold at least 34,000 tickets, the average attendance of 37,791 was primarily a function of stadium capacity and not at all indicative of what the market was capable of. And, Just because their's more seats to fill, more fans will come? i didn't say that at all. that wasn't the point to begin with. i was merely pointing out that the increases for the dbacks and angels are not at all relevant in predicting the marlins' increase in average attendance in 2004 over 2003 numbers, since we have so many more empty seats to fill and capacity is much less of an issue. we averaged only 16,244 in 2003, and the team will be competitive next year. i conservatively guessed that our average attendance would be 25,000, but now that i think about it, 28,000 sounds realistic considering we just won a world series and we have no prior situation to compare this to (a WS winner that is still competitive).
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