Just some food for thought: If the Marlins sold out every game in one season, the estimated attendance at the end of the season would be an astounding 5,265,000.

i was wondering about that. That is amazing.

I hope we end up with more than 1.6M. That would be nice bump from last year.

 

Another playoff run, plus news of a new stadium could really boost attendance going forward.

WOW! 5,265,000....that is a lot! I don't think were even going to get even half of that...

If I remember correctly, we were pretty close to 2 million in 98 after the team was gutted...The team has not been gutted, so 2 million is a lock IMO....

18-20K per game

 

If there is a stadium deal, 20-24K

To give the Marlins an attendence of 1.6 million+ this season is giving South Florida too much credit. I say 1.3 or 1.4 at most.

Wild card are u baseing that on Complete capacity or baseball capactiy. Because baseball capacity is 36,331, and that would roughly estimate to 2,942,811. Then again we know that the capacity can be expanded if they open up the upper deck in the outfield.

 

http://www.proplayerstadium.com/stadium_facts.html

Wild card are u baseing that on Complete capacity or baseball capactiy. Because baseball capacity is 36,331, and that would roughly estimate to 2,942,811. Then again we know that the capacity can be expanded if they open up the upper deck in the outfield.

 

http://www.proplayerstadium.com/stadium_facts.html

yeah, he's basing it on the full capacity of 65,000 that you saw during the playoffs.

 

during the regular season, it's kinda pointless to keep the whole stadium open when you don't sell many tickets and you know no one will want to sit in the outfield upper deck when there are other seats available.

 

we did manage to sell over 40,000 tickets for a d-train game in september last year, so the number of sections open for baseball seating isn't really set in stone if ticket sales are good.

I have not checked The Dbacks capacity, but The Angels still filled around 85% of their seats this season, so there was room and they also were 14th in attendance the year before, so it's not like they were top drawers.

 

the angels sold out 40% of their home games last year despite having a sucky team. they went from having good attendance in 2002 (28,463 average) to selling out 40% of their games in 2003, resulting in an average attendance of 37,791.

 

i am merely pointing out that the increase of 9,000 is GREATLY a product of how many empty seats they had available to fill. each sellout blunts what the actual increase would be, and there were a hell of a lot of sellouts.

 

additionally, because 80% of games sold at least 34,000 tickets, the average attendance of 37,791 was primarily a function of stadium capacity and not at all indicative of what the market was capable of.

 

And, Just because their's more seats to fill, more fans will come?

i didn't say that at all. that wasn't the point to begin with. i was merely pointing out that the increases for the dbacks and angels are not at all relevant in predicting the marlins' increase in average attendance in 2004 over 2003 numbers, since we have so many more empty seats to fill and capacity is much less of an issue.

 

we averaged only 16,244 in 2003, and the team will be competitive next year.

 

i conservatively guessed that our average attendance would be 25,000, but now that i think about it, 28,000 sounds realistic considering we just won a world series and we have no prior situation to compare this to (a WS winner that is still competitive).Angels season tickets increased greatly in 2003, creating the spike in attendance. Marlins won't average 25,000 unless they have a season ticket base of close to 15,000. They won't even have 10,000 season tickets. That's very disturbing, but the team is putting on the happy face that there will be more than 5,000. Any progress is reason for them to smile. But if that stadium falls apart, relocation becomes almost a reality. If they are forced to move, the community has only itself to blame. :hat The champ

Marlins won't average 25,000 unless they have a season ticket base of close to 15,000.

how do you figure that?

 

last year we sold 2000 season tickets and 14,244 individual tickets per game.

 

both season ticket sales and individual game ticket sales are guaranteed to go up from the abysmal numbers we saw last year, considering we just won the WS and we kept the team together. obviously some individual ticket buyers will become season ticket holders while many more casual or bandwagon fans will become individual ticket buyers, but the net effect would be an increase in both quantities, particularly because capacity should be a nonfactor in influencing how many individual tickets can be purchased.

 

even if individual game ticket sales only rise to 17,000 per game in 2004 (in reality that number will rise more than that in this market), it would only take 8,000 season tickets to total 25,000 per game.

 

25000 - 17000 minimum = 8000, tops. not so hard.

 

not even close to 15,000.

 

 

by the way, we've already sold more than 5700 season tickets for this season. even if individual game ticket sales stay the same as last year's crappy numbers, we're already looking at 20,000 per game.

1.2 - 1.5 million people.

I selected 1,800,000-1,999,999.

 

The reason for this selection is as follows:

• 1)The bandwagon fans will show for Opening Day and then sporadically throughout the season depending on the current standing of the team and also who the opponent is. This will inflate the number of tickets sold on the year.
  
• 2)The fanbase has grown. More people will attend more regulary in 2004. Whether these are bandwagon fans who converted to full-time fans or are fans of the past who have returned for another tour with the Marlins; we do not know.
  
• 3)We're still a small market team and we still have a below average sized fanbase. I mean, the Detroit Tigers who had the worst MLB record in 2003 have more season tickets reserved than the World Champions.
  

Add those 3 items up and you get the reason for my number. An increase over last season but not a dramatic one, and not over 2 million fans in 2004. If we build on success than maybe we can see over 2 million tickets sold in 2005.

I selected 1,800,000-1,999,999.

 

The reason for this selection is as follows:

• 1)The bandwagon fans will show for Opening Day and then sporadically throughout the season depending on the current standing of the team and also who the opponent is. This will inflate the number of tickets sold on the year.
   
   
   
  
• 2)The fanbase has grown. More people will attend more regulary in 2004. Whether these are bandwagon fans who converted to full-time fans or are fans of the past who have returned for another tour with the Marlins; we do not know.
   
   
   
  
• 3)We're still a small market team and we still have a below average sized fanbase. I mean, the Detroit Tigers who had the worst MLB record in 2003 have more season tickets reserved than the World Champions.
  

Add those 3 items up and you get the reason for my number. An increase over last season but not a dramatic one, and not over 2 million fans in 2004. If we build on success than maybe we can see over 2 million tickets sold in 2005.

We would have to average around 23,000 per game for that range. This would mean around 30K on the weekend. I don't see that happening throughout the year. We only reached that kind of attendance last year during the playoff run. or when Dontrelle pitched.

 

I agree with all your reasons for why attendance will increase this year, but believe you are being a bit optimistic.

We would have to average around 23,000 per game for that range. This would mean around 30K on the weekend. I don't see that happening throughout the year. We only reached that kind of attendance last year during the playoff run. or when Dontrelle pitched.

 

I agree with all your reasons for why attendance will increase this year, but believe you are being a bit optimistic.

I think 30,000 for weekend games is well within reach, especially if the team remains competitive late in the season.

 

Last season we averaged 16K with only 5,000 season tickets. Increase season tickets to 8-9K, combined with walk-up sales and 23,000 average sounds reasonable to me.

30K is possible for Saturday, but a stretch for Friday evening and Sunday (in the sweltering heat).....until the time when we are in the playoff stretch.

 

So really, there is only one day per week that we could expect to top 30K, Saturday...the other 5-6 days will likely be less than 20K......

 

But don't get me wrong....I expect it to be much better than the 8-9K during week, like a few games I sat in last year. If we average 20K per game, we'll be doing great.

I think we can hit 2 million easily...

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm right too...it would be great...

1.8 mil to 2 mil. People should be coming by the boatload to summer night games especially. Also the spring games I believe should average about 15,000 per...