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The point Lou is trying to make (an extremely good and accurate one) is that it makes no sense to start Maybin in the bigs in terms of contract status and team level of competition. It does more good to the team to put a Ross or a Carroll or Amezaga out in CF for the time being since the Marlins aren't competing this year. It only improves his confidence and game, extending is tenure for when the team actually needs him. He is 20 years old for christ sake and struggled in his limited ABs last season. There is no reason to start him in CF opening day. Your extremely crass mode of discourse is very consistent with your complete lack of knowledge of the game. I understand that... But that's not a good enough reason to hold him back right now. Cameron Maybin WILL get 200+ AB's this season. 20 years old or not, arbitration 3 years from now or not, he will get 200+ AB's. Do you disagree about that? You guys beat around the bush and don't get to the point. Are you retarded? Every single person here thinks Maybin gets 200 at bats this year. If he comes up in April, or if he comes up in July, he'll get his at bats Not one single person has argued that... I think Are you retarded? That's the only point I brought up. Everybody seems to think I'm predicting he will get 600 ab's? You guys are outta control.

Carroll can play CF, as can Cody Ross So you're saying these are better options than Maybin? at this point, probably I mean if Cam goes all Hanley on us and blows up as a rook, that would be sweet but he prob needs some at bats in AA anyway Cody is more than capable, and I'm intrigued by Carroll i would like to see what carroll can do too if he does well we just found our left fielder for 09 if he plays like crud what did we lose nothing Carroll is a joke. .849 ops in 100abs in carolina and .958 ops in 318 abs with the topes last season ya he is a joke ramp brett was drafted as a third baseman any chance we see him return there next season? Please, let's not talk about Carroll here... He has no future... with anybody. Yea, an outfielder with good power and can play all 3 outfield spots at age 24 has no future with anybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 okay. so now the iq of the board has gone into the negatives.... we went from talking about Maybin, to now saying Ross has 36 HR potential and that Carroll is a can't miss prospect. You guys are somethin else

So in conclusion everybody thinks Cody Ross will hit 36 HR's and Cameron Maybin won't see the light of day in the majors because of arbitration purposes 2-3 years from now and he has Carroll and Ross blocking him + he's not ready. /endconclusion lol.... and 200 ABs is not "significant playing time" lolz I said at least 200. 200 the minimum.

200 ABs is not starting him on opening day or even at the all-star break. What's your point? He could very well get 200 or so ABs this season (certainly not 600), but even then I wouldn't have a problem if he doesn't even get called up at all. There is no reason to rush him to the major league level. :thumbup :notworthy :thumbup thank-you, that's all we're trying to say. Weren't you saying a minute ago that Maybin won't be getting a significant amount of PT this season? I love how you guys slowly changed your argument around. First Ross for 30 hrs, then 36, now I don't get your point.

200 ABs is not starting him on opening day or even at the all-star break. What's your point? He could very well get 200 or so ABs this season (certainly not 600), but even then I wouldn't have a problem if he doesn't even get called up at all. There is no reason to rush him to the major league level. My point is, which you are now twisting your argument around - that Maybin will get a significant amount of PT at the major league level. I started with 200, but he can very well get 4-500. I understand he is probably not ready right now. Regardless, we have a hole in CF. We're rebuilding, and Maybin is on the brink of being ready. The most I can see him in the minors, is until May... The most. Your argument of arbitration does not hold value in this case. Unlike you - I would have a problem if he isn't called up at all. He is a phenom. Phenoms get called up at early ages. You don't waste somebody's youth in the minor league level if you don't have to. He got called up last season for a small stint - and he should get called up this year as well, which he will if he doesn't start right away.

Carroll can play CF, as can Cody Ross So you're saying these are better options than Maybin? at this point, probably I mean if Cam goes all Hanley on us and blows up as a rook, that would be sweet but he prob needs some at bats in AA anyway Cody is more than capable, and I'm intrigued by Carroll i would like to see what carroll can do too if he does well we just found our left fielder for 09 if he plays like crud what did we lose nothing Carroll is a joke. .849 ops in 100abs in carolina and .958 ops in 318 abs with the topes last season ya he is a joke ramp brett was drafted as a third baseman any chance we see him return there next season? Please, let's not talk about Carroll here... He has no future... with anybody.

The point Lou is trying to make (an extremely good and accurate one) is that it makes no sense to start Maybin in the bigs in terms of contract status and team level of competition. It does more good to the team to put a Ross or a Carroll or Amezaga out in CF for the time being since the Marlins aren't competing this year. It only improves his confidence and game, extending is tenure for when the team actually needs him. He is 20 years old for christ sake and struggled in his limited ABs last season. There is no reason to start him in CF opening day. Your extremely crass mode of discourse is very consistent with your complete lack of knowledge of the game. I understand that... But that's not a good enough reason to hold him back right now. Cameron Maybin WILL get 200+ AB's this season. 20 years old or not, arbitration 3 years from now or not, he will get 200+ AB's. Do you disagree about that? You guys beat around the bush and don't get to the point.

So in conclusion everybody thinks Cody Ross will hit 36 HR's and Cameron Maybin won't see the light of day in the majors because of arbitration purposes 2-3 years from now and he has Carroll and Ross blocking him + he's not ready. /endconclusion

If you guys think Cody Ross is going to hit 30 hrs, you've got some issues. I can't believe all you guys think Cameron Maybin is not going to get a good amount of playing time this season at the MLB level. That's what you guys are saying here. it's not that we believe he is not going to get a good amount of playing time this season in the majors, its that we believe he should start the year in the minors Due to our circumstances, he most likely isn't. That's what I've been saying all along. Yea he's raw and probably needs a little more seasoning... I understand that, but that most likely won't be the case. He's going to get a good amount of AB's this season. That's what I was saying. Arbitration, etc etc is irrelevant. Cameron Maybin will get at least 200 AB's this season. Book it.

Carroll can play CF, as can Cody Ross So you're saying these are better options than Maybin? at this point, probably I mean if Cam goes all Hanley on us and blows up as a rook, that would be sweet but he prob needs some at bats in AA anyway Cody is more than capable, and I'm intrigued by Carroll i would like to see what carroll can do too if he does well we just found our left fielder for 09 if he plays like crud what did we lose nothing Carroll is a joke.

If you guys think Cody Ross is going to hit 30 hrs, you've got some issues. I can't believe all you guys think Cameron Maybin is not going to get a good amount of playing time this season at the MLB level. That's what you guys are saying here.

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One of my roommates was an Architecture major at UF. Pretty sure he spent more hours in studio than he did sleeping in his own bed. This is correct.

Another thing, you fail to answer my question that I ask you for the 4th time: Do we have any better option right now than to play Maybin? He is pretty much ready (just about), and we pretty much don't have a choice. You're putting wayyyyyyy too much emphasis on a rookie player and arbitration. Way too much emphasis on that. You're thinking 3 years from now. This club doesn't think like that. We think year to year dude. If we CAN help it, like in Miguel's case where we waited a little and we could afford to do that (that was a veteran team), then you hold out a few weeks to gain an extra year in arbitration. That's the only time you hold a rookie back.. But yea, go ahead, just ramble for the 3rd time about putting Maybin in AAA/AA again without addressing anything I just said and bore us all. It is foolish to believe that any club, even the Marlins, does not think longterm. With Maybin and the season the Marlins are likely to have, I have no problem letting him percolate in the minor league for a few months to make sure he is ready for the show. From all reports I've read, he was overmatched after the Tigers called him up late last season. So you're saying Maybin should start in the Minors? I can almost guarantee he doesn't.

Carroll can play CF, as can Cody Ross So you're saying these are better options than Maybin?

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First of all, I know how arbitration works son. Second of all, I'm not new by any means. I've been reading these forums for the past couple of years as a lurker and I've posted way back when, even when this forum didn't exist and there was only the MLB Marlins forum (when it was good). People here can atest to that. I've tons of arbitration work back in the day, when we used to have real conversations back in 02 and all. Don't ever bring that newbie sh*t to me. Third, I know it doesn't go by age. Duh. I'm saying we're fielding a team that's close together in age and will peak as a team in age, as in contending together as a team with age? Much like the 03 team did? Or did you forget? Your statement of holding back Maybin now, when we have only LESSER options, as I noted before is borderline retarded. Maybin should and WILL get a great amount of AB's at the MLB level this season. That's a fact. We basically have no other option but to run him out there. And what's more ridiculous is saying save him for when we are in contention? What the hell is that about? You don't purposely save rookies for when you are contending? You develop rookies during rebuilding years. Let them work under less pressure and get their kinks out. That was the beauty of the '98 team and you can even throw in the '06 team in there. Derek Lee, AJ Burnettl, Castillo and countless of others didn't just start mashing right away. But age is irrelevant which you are not grasping. It's service time. It's making the team peak at the same time and you have to combine this on a salary threshold where you can afford the entire team by mixing the guys with multi-million dollar contracts with club controlled players. Try and realize how important this is for the Marlins. You specifically cite 03. Because the Marlins did not have a combination of veterans and huge rookie performers that year. Putting Maybin out opening day is dumb when you can stick him in AA for 3 months and it won't hurt his development because of where he is as a player. You speak as if he won't "work out the kinks" unless he is at the MLB level. That is wrong. Also you are arguing for playing Maybin 3 additional months in a non contending 2008 versus having him under club control for an additional season (Where you would think the Marlins will be very good in the future). That's pretty idiotic. You want to have control over your players for as long as possible. I mean that is obvious. There really is no benefit to playing Maybin right away in 2008 for these reasons. This is also why you'd hope the Marlins let Volstad and G. Hernandez throw in AA/AAA for the first 2+ months of the season so you don't get them started either. Who cares we have no CF on the roster. It's about systematically planning for the future. You're not grasping this. Maybe you can think about it in terms of Cabrera and Dontrelle. They were brought up mid year. Their pre-free agency years were basically 04-09. Yet we had them for worthwhile MLB service time in 03. This is what they need to do with Maybin/Volstad/Gaby this year so we have their club controlled rights for 09-11 and overall through 2014. Basically why let them hit arbitration in 2011 when it isn't a big deal to use them right now or not. That is way more important than hitting the ground running in 2008 just because you don't want to see Amezaga/Cody in centerfield for 3 more months or whatever. It's about building for the future. It's the much better course of action. Dude, I see you're the guy in the board that likes to see arguments go absolutely NOWHERE. I said "peak" as a team as in COMPETETIVE wise man. God! Is that so hard to grasp???? When players are more or less the same age, they enter their primes more or less the same age?? This is not hard. Another thing, you fail to answer my question that I ask you for the 4th time: Do we have any better option right now than to play Maybin? He is pretty much ready (just about), and we pretty much don't have a choice. You're putting wayyyyyyy too much emphasis on a rookie player and arbitration. Way too much emphasis on that. You're thinking 3 years from now. This club doesn't think like that. We think year to year dude. If we CAN help it, like in Miguel's case where we waited a little and we could afford to do that (that was a veteran team), then you hold out a few weeks to gain an extra year in arbitration. That's the only time you hold a rookie back.. But yea, go ahead, just ramble for the 3rd time about putting Maybin in AAA/AA again without addressing anything I just said and bore us all.

Andrew Miller is the type of pitcher that if we had to lose Dontrelle, but we had his arm to fall back on just leaves you with a smile on your face. The comparison with Randy Johnson is not an exageration. It actually might be a conservative projection. Think in terms of Josh Beckett but throwing from the left side. While I'm extremely giddy about Andrew Miller, some of you guys comparisons are off the charts lol yea seriously... I'm waiting till I see him to start saying that kinda stuff. plus I doubt he can throw 102 mph in the 11th inning like randy did??? or kill a pigeon in mid flight

Did you design the beams to support the dead load? i hate structures.

Looks good. I really like this The color combination and harmony looks awesome. Do you lean more towards the technical or the artistic side of Architectural design? Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. I keep kicking myself about that one, because I didn't include it in my final presentation :banghead :banghead I don't know why. That was a picture I took of my 32 scale model and I played with it on photoshop to manipulate light and heating effects, so I can work w. my cooling concept. The site on that one is located between a bluff (forest) and a prairie. the bottom part is the prarie (flat land w. vegetation). As of now, where I'm exploring myself with design, I definitely lean more towards the artistic side of design. Going into design 6 I'm going to get more technical about it personally. I have to. Such as more rooms and stairs and final model and drawing quality. My professor this semester was extremely slack and she personally liked roughed up work. I'm hoping to do somewhat the stuff I did here, but with one more step to it to make it more inhabitable. Something I thought was secondary to my work this past semester.

brought a tear to my eye. kinda sounded like forrest gump up there lol.

Cool stuff JPierre. From my POV, there's alot of harsh angles in the buildings. Am I supposed to be seeing some Frank Gehry in these works or am I just completely off? lol yea something like that. I was working with wind as my main concept (circulation, aerodynamics, cooling for ex), and we had to keep sustainability in mind... preserving materials, clean energy etc. so yea.. thats where some of the angular overheads came from. I have some cool D3 and D4 stuff too, as well as my Paris sketches when I was studying over there if anybody is interested :mis2

Not such a great move. They could have gotten something better at that price! They could have had the Florida Marlins at that price! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :thumbup :thumbup :thumbup :banghead When Jose f***ing Guillen is making more money than your entire franchise in one season, something is definitely wrong and completely sad. :banghead

None of our Minor league prospects are sexy like an Andrew Miller. That's not a good thing. I think you're the one that doesn't understand the arbitration thing??? Creating a team that will peak at the same time?? They're all more or less the same age? We're already doing this. Holding back a player during a rebuilding year when we have lesser options is rather dumb don't you think? This timeline approach won't save you much with Maybin. He should get a significant amount of PT this season, one way or another. We went through this in '98 and '06. You're putting too much thought into arbitration for a rookie player right now. About Gardner and Miller - we have no choice really. This is the highest they will be at. That's the point. Whether it get's us alot or a little - it should get us something and that's what matters. First comment pertains to nothing aforementioned. Miller's the best pitcher we have. I think it is ridiculous you want to slap the rest of the pitchers in the organization though. They are very good arms. I love how you think I don't know arbitration. You're new so I'm going to ignore that. Age is irrelevant. It's about service time. Regardless - who is stuck in the minors? Who? It's not any of the pitchers. It's not Coghlan who is our only good position prospect in AA or higher. Maybin if kept in AA? Holding back Maybin at least half of 2008 would delay his arbitration clock a full season and give us an extra year of control. That would constitute a significant impact where we keep him longer and are not wasting his service time in a non contending year. This won't hurt his development as he is so outrageously young. He probably needs AA/AAA seasoning anyways regardless of our CF depth chart. This has the added impact of keeping our costs down for one additional year in the future. It's literally huge. It wouldn't be felt until 2011 but it's pretty wise to plan ahead. Especially for a cost conscious franchise. And even more especially for a cost conscious franchise which somehow refuses to buy out player's arbitration. But that's another issue. It would also be idiotic to give Gardner and Miller away for little to nothing. It would be a longshot for their success to continue but if either of them puts in a good two months to start the year, they would be so valuable in a trade this summer it would not be funny. Everyone wants relievers. They aren't worth getting fringe prospects who are 24 in single A right now. Hopefully they could turn into a real trading piece in the future. That is worth more then getting a bunch of junk that would never crack our depth chart. Not very hard. First of all, I know how arbitration works son. Second of all, I'm not new by any means. I've been reading these forums for the past couple of years as a lurker and I've posted way back when, even when this forum didn't exist and there was only the MLB Marlins forum (when it was good). People here can atest to that. I've tons of arbitration work back in the day, when we used to have real conversations back in 02 and all. Don't ever bring that newbie sh*t to me. Third, I know it doesn't go by age. Duh. I'm saying we're fielding a team that's close together in age and will peak as a team in age, as in contending together as a team with age? Much like the 03 team did? Or did you forget? Your statement of holding back Maybin now, when we have only LESSER options, as I noted before is borderline retarded. Maybin should and WILL get a great amount of AB's at the MLB level this season. That's a fact. We basically have no other option but to run him out there. And what's more ridiculous is saying save him for when we are in contention? What the hell is that about? You don't purposely save rookies for when you are contending? You develop rookies during rebuilding years. Let them work under less pressure and get their kinks out. That was the beauty of the '98 team and you can even throw in the '06 team in there. Derek Lee, AJ Burnettl, Castillo and countless of others didn't just start mashing right away.