For guys on the 40 man roster that should be traded for more space and possibly some decent talent return,

 

 

 

 

Starting with aging pitchers that pitched above their heads last season:

 

Lee Gardner

Justin Miller

Kevin Gregg

 

 

Pitchers that are mediocre

 

Sergio Mitre

Ricky Nolasco

 

Nestor and hell, even Logan Kensing if possible

 

Position players that are not in our future plans

 

Robert Andino

Mike Jacobs

Alfredo Amenzaga

De Aza

Cody Ross

 

and yes, Uggla if the right deal comes along.

 

 

 

 

The bullpen pitchers we have are our strong points, as they pitched well above their heads last season and everybody needs a relief pitcher.

 

As for the positional guys... we have no use for them, as we are rebuilding and they're taking up space. Some new faces in exchange would be refreshing.

If Jacobs isn't in our plans for the future, does that mean you think Sanchez will be more effective?

Why exactly would want to trade Mitre and Nolasco? That would make no sense.

 

And Jake is in the plans. Without a doubt.

For guys on the 40 man roster that should be traded for more space and possibly some decent talent return,

 

 

 

 

Starting with aging pitchers that pitched above their heads last season:

 

Lee Gardner

Justin Miller

Kevin Gregg I agree from a value perspective it probably would be better to sell high with Gregg sooner rather than later

Pitchers that are mediocre

 

Sergio Mitre

Ricky Nolasco I disagree our pitching is so unsettled I would prefer to take our lumps this year and let our guys i the miors get some more experience and build up their arm strength before bring them up . Additionally if anything else keeping these guys arounds allow us to manage our younger more talented pitchers innings with an acceptable replacement

 

Nestor and hell, even Logan Kensing if possible: Logan is low cost and can be effective I'd be willing to give him another chance

 

Position players that are not in our future plans

 

Robert Andino

Mike Jacobs i agree i dont like Jacobs , he has health issues , plays poor defense and does not hit well enough to off set his poor gloveAlfredo Amenzaga fringe guy i like his versatility but he is not in the Marlins future plans

De Aza

Cody Ross cody is a great bench player gotta keep him

 

and yes, Uggla if the right deal comes along. This year we might have keep Uggla , Iam torn because i like his bat and Ithink his average will be higher this year , I am not a fan of his defense in the right situtation I might be open to dealing Dan but this year I think we might need his bat

 

 

The bullpen pitchers we have are our strong points, as they pitched well above their heads last season and everybody needs a relief pitcher.

 

As for the positional guys... we have no use for them, as we are rebuilding and they're taking up space. Some new faces in exchange would be refreshing.

I don't think we're in a position to trade starting pitching no matter how mediocre it is...especially mitre who's shown flashes of being a solid #4 guy in the rotation with a decent sinkerball...all he has to work on is consistency. Unless we can get some good young starters in return for Nolasco, I wouldn't deal him either.

 

As far as the bullpen and position players, De Aza, Andino and Gardner should definitely go. I'm hesitant on Cody Ross because he's got some electricity in his bat and if given a starting opp somehwere down the line he might excel. In limited playing time last year I think he hit over .300 and had 12 homeruns, his value can only increase if we keep him. Health though is obviously an issue with him. De Aza because it's clear who are future centerfielder will be, and with ross as a backup outfielder there isn't much room for him. He hit below .230 last year but he's got alot of potential and would be a nice additon to a package involving gardner or andino for a decent young starting pitcher.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

Why exactly would want to trade Mitre and Nolasco? That would make no sense.

 

And Jake is in the plans. Without a doubt.

 

 

I hope your wrong , he seems like a nice guy , but his defense stinks , he is hurt alot and I am not even talking about going on the disbaled list always has some nagging injury . No speed , less than advertised power , below average glove , he is a stop gap that is all.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

Why exactly would want to trade Mitre and Nolasco? That would make no sense.

 

And Jake is in the plans. Without a doubt.

 

 

I hope your wrong , he seems like a nice guy , but his defense stinks , he is hurt alot and I am not even talking about going on the disbaled list always has some nagging injury . No speed , less than advertised power , below average glove , he is a stop gap that is all.

 

His power numbers haven't done justice to his size and potential, but he's still young and he's been plagued by injuries that probably effected those power numbers. He looks like he could eventually develop into a 30+ guy should he stay healthy and put up 540+ at-bats. He's never going to have any speed and if worked on, his defense can get to the point where it's considered mediocre. His value for the Marlins and their future will depend on his bat and their need to have a solid left-handed hitter in the lineup other than Hermida.

Is there anyone you don't think we should trade? Like Charlie Brown woud say "Good Grief."

Amezaga, Gregg, Gardner and Mitre should all be traded. We need a 3rd base prospect. Lets empty out the cubbard for a good one

Amezaga is another option...but unless the Marlins make some trades for a veteran, he's the closest thing they have to a veteran influence. Plus we've seen how valuable he's been as a utility guy so unless we get a decent young starter for him he should stay put.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

 

 

Obviously, that is what the ultimate goal is with anybody you trade. But the thing is they need to go. We have holes in 3rd and even at Catcher and way too many pitching prospects. Alot of these guys are taking up space and are already proven to us what they can do. We need to try something new and revamp as much as we can. We traded our core - so lets trade our mediocre guys please.

 

Of course for the best possible deal. Duh.

Amezaga is another option...but unless the Marlins make some trades for a veteran, he's the closest thing they have to a veteran influence. Plus we've seen how valuable he's been as a utility guy so unless we get a decent young starter for him he should stay put.

 

 

If Amezaga can net us decent talent - then he needs to go. I don't care if he's a "veteran". The truth is he can't start and he's mediocre. Package him in a deal with Andino and Gardner and get a nice prospect or something? Just an example.

Amezaga, Gregg, Gardner and Mitre should all be traded. We need a 3rd base prospect. Lets empty out the cubbard for a good one

Dominguez... Just sign a stop gap until then.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

 

 

Obviously, that is what the ultimate goal is with anybody you trade. But the thing is they need to go. We have holes in 3rd and even at Catcher and way too many pitching prospects. Alot of these guys are taking up space and are already proven to us what they can do. We need to try something new and revamp as much as we can. We traded our core - so lets trade our mediocre guys please.

 

Of course for the best possible deal. Duh.

Well you don't just toss Jacobs, Mitre, Nolasco aside... those are more than capable players, and all 3 do have some upside to them too

 

and why is Kensing and Nestor in your mediocre pile?

 

you don't just toss players with good arms away

For guys on the 40 man roster that should be traded for more space and possibly some decent talent return,

 

 

 

 

Starting with aging pitchers that pitched above their heads last season:

 

Lee Gardner yes

Justin Miller yes

Kevin Gregg yes

 

 

Pitchers that are mediocre

 

Sergio Mitre yes if we sign a vet starter

Ricky Nolasco no why in the world would we do that

 

Nestor and hell, even Logan Kensing if possible um logan not in the future pass whatever your smoking over here

 

Position players that are not in our future plans

 

Robert Andino he has no value anyway so why trade him

Mike Jacobs yes

Alfredo Amenzaga yes if something of value is returned andino can take his spot

De Aza lets see trade value = 0 yep lets ship him out

Cody Ross no

 

and yes, Uggla if the right deal comes along. yes i would have uggla listed as a priority to be traded over half this list

 

 

 

 

The bullpen pitchers we have are our strong points, as they pitched well above their heads last season and everybody needs a relief pitcher.

 

As for the positional guys... we have no use for them, as we are rebuilding and they're taking up space. Some new faces in exchange would be refreshing.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

 

 

Obviously, that is what the ultimate goal is with anybody you trade. But the thing is they need to go. We have holes in 3rd and even at Catcher and way too many pitching prospects. Alot of these guys are taking up space and are already proven to us what they can do. We need to try something new and revamp as much as we can. We traded our core - so lets trade our mediocre guys please.

 

Of course for the best possible deal. Duh.

Well you don't just toss Jacobs, Mitre, Nolasco aside... those are more than capable players, and all 3 do have some upside to them too

 

and why is Kensing and Nestor in your mediocre pile?

 

you don't just toss players with good arms away

 

 

Nestor seems to be in demand somewhat and is not on any top prospect list.

Kensing was brought up too quick, is done as a starter and we have tons of pitching. He's not pitching like a high draft choice, which he was. He needs to be traded while he is still young and we can get some value back in return

 

Jacobs - I used to be ok with, but he's been given enough opportunities and he's proven to just be an injury risk. He doesn't feed off of our park and he can't defend well. He had the lowest OPS of all starting 1st basemen too. We know what his ceiling is - somewhere along the lines of .275 32 HR and a low OPS for such a high HR total. He is what he is. When he came from the Mets, I thought he was more (AVG and OPS wise) but he isn't. We need to see what we can get for him.

 

Mitre is a 4.50 ERA guy and there are plenty of those around.

 

Nolasco is a 4.10 ERA guy and just has that great curveball. He'd make a decent closer but thats not our plans with him here. He needs to go too.

Everyone you pretty much named except Gregg, Andino, and maybe De Aza should be in our plans...

As you say, they have no value.

 

So essentially we'd be trading them for nothing. Nobody's going to give up something for nothing.

 

So why trade them, then?

Everyone you pretty much named except Gregg, Andino, and maybe De Aza should be in our plans...

 

 

Care to back up that statement why?

Last year we had baseball's worst starting pitching we just traded away DTrain. I don;t think it would be a good idea to trade starters unless the other GM is giving away good players. There may be plenty of starters with 4.50 ERAs but last year we didn't have any and I wouldn't bet on us having any this year (with 162 innings).

As you say, they have no value.

 

So essentially we'd be trading them for nothing. Nobody's going to give up something for nothing.

 

So why trade them, then?

If we're doing internet trades we may as well rob the other team:

 

De Aza for either Kemp or Either.

This thread needs to happen July 15thish when Maybin/Volstad/Gaby/Owens/Anibal are ready for the MLB team. Most of those guys will be useful to organizational purposes until then. We should only trade if its to get more value in return.

 

 

Obviously, that is what the ultimate goal is with anybody you trade. But the thing is they need to go. We have holes in 3rd and even at Catcher and way too many pitching prospects. Alot of these guys are taking up space and are already proven to us what they can do. We need to try something new and revamp as much as we can. We traded our core - so lets trade our mediocre guys please.

 

Of course for the best possible deal. Duh.

Well you don't just toss Jacobs, Mitre, Nolasco aside... those are more than capable players, and all 3 do have some upside to them too

 

and why is Kensing and Nestor in your mediocre pile?

 

you don't just toss players with good arms away

 

 

Nestor seems to be in demand somewhat and is not on any top prospect list.

Kensing was brought up too quick, is done as a starter and we have tons of pitching. He's not pitching like a high draft choice, which he was. He needs to be traded while he is still young and we can get some value back in return

 

Jacobs - I used to be ok with, but he's been given enough opportunities and he's proven to just be an injury risk. He doesn't feed off of our park and he can't defend well. He had the lowest OPS of all starting 1st basemen too. We know what his ceiling is - somewhere along the lines of .275 32 HR and a low OPS for such a high HR total. He is what he is. When he came from the Mets, I thought he was more (AVG and OPS wise) but he isn't. We need to see what we can get for him.

 

Mitre is a 4.50 ERA guy and there are plenty of those around.

 

Nolasco is a 4.10 ERA guy and just has that great curveball. He'd make a decent closer but thats not our plans with him here. He needs to go too.

Some of your reasoning is terrible.

 

Nestor is our best bullpen prospect right now. You normally don't see bullpen guys in top 10s to begin with. He's probably in the 2nd 10.

 

Kensing is a solid bullpen arm, there's just no reason to move him. You move guys like Miller and Gardner who pitched over their head.

 

We have no idea what Jacobs' ceiling is because he's been hurt each of his first 2 years. He's probably not worth much, but he can definitely be a guy to put up big numbers at 1b if he can just stay healthy. I have no clue what you think you can get for him though. Nothing worth much. Not only that, who do you want to play first? Hammer? Fine, who plays left then? It's not like Jake is blocking anyone.

 

so Mitre is a 4.50era guy, and there are plenty of those around. Who would want him then if they are so easy to get?

 

Ricky Nolasco has made 40 appearances in the league, how the hell do we know what kind of guy he is?

 

If there was a market, and people wanted these players and would give us something useful, then fine, move them. But their not, and they aren't making any money so for us, it works.

Everyone you pretty much named except Gregg, Andino, and maybe De Aza should be in our plans...

 

 

Care to back up that statement why?

 

Well, Gregg should obviously be in our plans, he's a great player. BUT, great is something this team doesn't embrace... Great means sell high. He's worth more to us somewhere else.

 

Andino, are you serious? Hanley's the SS for another 4-5 years, Uggla at second the same thing, and Coughlan is also coming up through the system. He's useless.

 

De Aza isn't really needed considering we now have Maybin roaming center and Ross backing up. I mean, he could be useful as a 5th outfielder and a pinch-runner/late inning defensive replacement but that's it.