Jeffery Loria

We are on pace to score somewhere around 730 runs. We scored 718 runs last year. Seeing as how we added Delgado. I don't think a 12 run "jump" is acceptable. 792593[/snapback] I couldn't say it any better myself: Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement. 792486[/snapback] Like I said if you want to blame Robinson for Lowell's complete horrid season, then do it. You have to take in account that Lowell is on pace to hit 6 home runs versus what he did last year. Let alone his RBI numbers and the rest. Louie has already missed considerable playing time. Stolen bases for this team this year are hard things to come by, yet we are on pace to have more runs, how about that. And its not like we had zero production from 1b last year, I assure you we did have some combination of guys man 1b for us last year that did get some amount of HRs, RBIs, hits, etc. that no longer get playing time there for the most part. Also, did you just use averages or is my mind playing tricks on me? :plain

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense. Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat. 792551[/snapback] So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season. Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL. You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half. Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit. Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days." The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do. 792570[/snapback] Again you are using averages and not looking at game-by-game results. This team is all or nothing. The White Sox last year were the same, and that's what lead Kenny Williams to make the changes he did. 792573[/snapback] Okay I will use the stat you used if you want to look at it on a game by game basis. Games in which offense score between 0-3 runs- 19 4-6 runs- 19 7-11 runs- 12 19 times we were nothing. 31 times we were average or "all". A little better than a 3:2 ratio all/average:nothing.

No I can't leave inconsistency out of the argument and I'm bringing it in now. Inconsistency is at the root of this problem with the offense. Check the stats before we went on that little week long tear where we scored an enormous amount of runs. We were at the bottom with almost every stat. 792551[/snapback] So we're the only team that has hot weeks versus cold weeks? If you take a hot week away from any team their numbers are different, but I must have missed the week we hit near .600, and scored 80 runs and smacked around countless amount of extra base hits that would have thrown off numbers over a third of the season. Show me a couple important stats that the Marlins are at the bottom of the NL. You can say they have scored close to the bottom in runs, but alas, they have played fewer games then any NL team. If averages held, (Marlins on average score 4.44 runs a game), over the same 53 games the Mets have played, we would have scored more runs then them and they are 7th in the NL in runs scored... in the top half. Mets who are 7th in the NL in runs score an average of 4.43 runs a game, we score 4.44 on average, a bit better, showing that the raw numbers may be lying a bit. Is this what you want Bill Robinson to say: "Okay guys don't go all out today, save it up and spread it over a few days." The day to day living and dying on this board is too much. If you want to blame someone for the offense blame Lowell. Because despite how bad he is doing, considering he was suppose to be carrying this team, we are in contention and the offense is in the upper half of the NL in most categories and upper quarter in many. I guess you could blame Bill for all of Lowell's woes, but that would be silly to do.

Pretty damn inconsistent if you ask me. 792525[/snapback] You have trouble staying on target too, who brought up inconsistency before that post? And if I misunderstood you, tell me what you meant by BA is bulls***. We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat. 792496[/snapback] If you did not mean that leading the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS in being near the bottom of the NL. And also tell me what you meant by: Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton. 792401[/snapback] If you did not mean 0.25 extra runs a game is a TON. Until then, check out your facts before you spray around aimless blotter.

Firing Robinson is not the answer.? We still have a great team average overall.? Everyone is just slumping... or something.? I have said this before and I will say it again... We will come out of it hitting strongly.? This is all just a fluke.? Or so I want to think.? I hope. 792489[/snapback] BA is bulls***. We are near the bottom of the NL in every offensive stat. 792496[/snapback] Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton. 792401[/snapback] First 20 games (Before firing the coach): .270 BA 4.75 runs a game Last 32 games (After firing hitting coach) .273 BA 5 runs a game Yes a TON. (+.003 in BA and maybe 1 or 2 runs mroe a week) :plain It doesn't have anything to do with the fact in the first 20 games of the year they played Bos/NYY/Bal/Oak for 13 of their first 20 games. And since they have played those teams 9 times out of 32 games. I would love to hear how you spin .25 runs on average better as a TON of difference.... so please do. 792469[/snapback] Hey it's an improvement. Any improvement is better than no improvement. From what I've heard some of the veteran hitters like Wells and some other guy pushed for the firing because of his crappy coaching technique. You might wanna check some of the offensive stats for the Blue Jays for last September too. 792486[/snapback] You said TON, show me TON... or take it back. :whistle And are you saying if the Marlins fire their hitting coach that they will see a TON, or a whole big improvement of .25 more runs a game? Because I see how .25 runs help in 9-1, 5-3, 3-1 games. . And we lead the NL in BA, 5th in OBP,4th in slugging, 4th in OPS. You really have a hard time understanding numbers. I mean we are in the top half of most of the major statisical numbers yet you say we are near the bottom of them all. Man, I think you need glasses and a new hobby rather then bashing on Robinson.

Look at Toronto, they fired their hitting coach early on and that offense has picked it up a ton. 792401[/snapback] First 20 games (Before firing the coach): .270 BA 4.75 runs a game Last 32 games (After firing hitting coach) .273 BA 5 runs a game Yes a TON. (+.003 in BA and maybe 1 or 2 runs mroe a week) :plain It doesn't have anything to do with the fact in the first 20 games of the year they played Bos/NYY/Bal/Oak for 13 of their first 20 games. And since they have played those teams 9 times out of 32 games. I would love to hear how you spin .25 runs on average better as a TON of difference.... so please do.

When trying to break down if a team is a contender or pretender you look at who they have beat. Well looking at the 2005 Marlins it is easy to see their record is basically based upon beating last place teams and playing below .500 ball against .500+ teams. The Marlins' Record: 27-22 Against teams at least .500 the Marlins are: 11-14 Against teams below the .500 mark the Marlins are 16-8 Against last place (or 5th place teams in the case of Cin) the Marlins are 16-6 The Bucs are the first losing team the Marlins have played this year not in last or 5th place. Contenders or pretenders? Well the Marlins are 11-16 against teams not in last or 5th place. (ATL is 14-13 against .500+ teams.)

Marlins, Officials Still Haggling Over Stadium Changes POSTED: 5:53 pm EDT May 31, 2005 MIAMI -- City and county officials along with the Marlins and stadium owner Wayne Huizenga are considering, among other things, the possibility of putting a domed-roof on the existing stadium in an attempt to keep the team here. Dolphins Stadium. Local 10 has learned that Marlins President David Samson asked the Miami and Miami-Dade County managers last Friday to make up a $30 million stadium funding deficit with still more tourist tax dollars. The proposal came in the wake of failure by the state legislature to fill a $30-million funding gap for a new stadium and the rejection of a team request for more tourist tax dollars. With a firm "no" from County Manager George Burgess and Miami City Manager Joe Arriola, and no additional money available from the Marlins, Local 10 has now learned that another proposal has resurfaced from Dolphins Stadium owner Wayne Huizenga. Local 10's sources say the deal calls for the $138 million in tourist tax money already committed for a new stadium to be spent for a roof on Dolphins Stadium; the Marlins would play in the stadium rent free; and for the first time, the Marlins would get revenue from concessions and from sky boxes and club seats. The county would also get some kind of ownership or management contract with the stadium for Marlins baseball. Huizenga would still control all revenues from the Dolphins and would be guaranteed a consistent fan base for his proposed $300-million "super site" entertainment complex, to be built adjacent to the stadium. At this point, there is still no real commitment of any kind. For the record, even though it seems unlikely, Burgess told Local 10 he is still trying to put together a deal for a stadium next to the Orange Bowl. A new deal at Dolphins Stadium is more likely to succeed, according to Local 10's Michael Putney, who has closely followed the developments. While the Marlins owners have always insisted they want their own stadium, Putney says they might have to settle for a better deal at the one where they now play. Major league baseball has given all the parties an ultimatum that a deal has to be done by June 9. Copyright 2005 by Local10.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.local10.com/news/4552036/detail.html

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Did you hear the joke about a Marlins stadium? Published May 31, 2005 People complain about gas at $2.20 a gallon. Me, I complain about beer at $54 a gallon. That's what Heineken goes for at Florida Marlins games at Dolphins Stadium. I even double-checked the math: a 16-ounce can at $6.75 times 8. At $54 a gallon, you'd think there'd be enough money to go around for everyone: stadium owner H. Wayne Huizenga, Marlins owner Jeff Loria, overpaid players, underpaid workers, shippers, even the people in Holland who make the beer. Don't get me started on peanuts ($3.75) and hot dogs ($5.50). I spent $30 for an outfield club seat on Saturday. It was a lousy game, but a beautiful night. I didn't have a problem with the lack of a roof over the stadium. I did have a problem with one concession cashier who got distracted by a supervisor and forgot to give me change. When I asked for my $13, she "swore to God" that she had already given it to me. "Don't swear to God," I cautioned, "because you'll go to hell." Fortunately, the woman behind me saw the whole thing and I eventually got my money. So this is how baseball goes, I thought to myself: One major-league ripoff after another. Which brings us to Miami and the Marlins' never-ending stadium saga. The team is still waiting, palm out, for its money. At last count, the Marlins were $45 million short of a stadium deal in Miami, but that number is so malleable you might as well come up with your own. The only thing funnier than the Marlins' unrealistic cost projections for a retractable-roof stadium near the Orange Bowl is the gullibility of the Miami-Dade County politicians who are so eager to finance it. Nothing about this deal makes sense. Not the location. Not the Swiss-cheese financing. Not the latest hollow noise Major League Baseball makes to pressure everyone to get it finalized. MLB president Bob Dupuy sent a letter the other week saying he wanted a done deal by June 9. Or what? Or nothing. File that one in the Meaningless Deadline folder. If I lived in Miami-Dade, I'd be very afraid of this deal. But I live in Broward County, which means I can root for it despite my opposition to public funding of private sporting enrichment. Now that the Legislature has again shot down a sales-tax rebate for the stadium, my feelings haven't changed. My motto has always been: if Miami-Dade is buying, I'm driving. On entertainment value alone, this boondoggle is going to be a hoot. Let's start with the fantasy $435 million projection, which includes $360 million for the stadium, $30 million for a parking garage and $45 million to buy out 50 landowners around the site. Almost five years ago, former Marlins owner John Henry announced a plan in which the stadium alone would cost $385 million. Now, with material and labor costs soaring, the Marlins are going to build one $25 million cheaper? According to a recent Wall Street Journal article, the past year has seen prices spike 20-60 percent on construction items such as cement, iron, steel rebar and copper wire, and plastic PVC pipe. The Marlins say they will cover any overruns, a meaningless pledge. As a guarantee, the government will hold a lien on the team. I can just picture this exchange when the stadium opens three years late and $150 million over budget. Miami-Dade officials: "Hey, you owe us $150 million." Marlins: "Sorry, don't got it." Miami-Dade: "But you promised." Marlins: "Sorry, don't got it. We can negotiate a settlement, but here, this team is all yours if you want it." Miami-Dade: "How are we going to run a major-league team? We can't even handle an airport. And how are we supposed to fund a $75 million payroll while we try to sell it? And what will happen to this ballpark if all the prospective buyers want to move?" Marlins: "Sorry, should have thought of that before you signed on." When the day comes, Miamians will wish they could drown their troubles at $54 a gallon. It'll seem cheap compared to the mess they'll find themselves in. Michael Mayo can be reached at mmayo@sun-sentinel.com or 954-356-4508. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/columnist...l=sfla-news-col

1) You can't take a lineup that features 7 former All-Star position players (Castillo, Cabrera, Delgado, Lowell, LoDuca, Gonzalez and Conine) and struggle to put up a 3 spot for almost a week, and still not call yourself part of the problem. 789716[/snapback] I'll give you 8 former all-stars, you tell me if they would put up more than a 3 spot on average: c: Charles Johnson 1b: Ken Harvey 2b: Bret Boone ss: Alex Gonzalez 3b: Shea Hillenbrand OF: Juan Gonzalez OF: Brian Jordan OF: Raul Mondesi Obviously once you are an all-star you are always great.

Some of you fans just don't get it. I like Billy boy, he is a quality guy. I mean look, our offense on the surface may not seem great but if you look at the numbers we are not completely inept. Batting average: 1st in the NL/5th in the league OBP: 4th in the NL/7th in the league SLG: 6th in the NL/10th in the league OPS: 5th in the NL/ 9th in the league We are 26th in HRs in the leage We are 20th in the league for runs scored Stolen bases we are 21st in the league

I think some of you miss his point. Addition by subtraction. The Marlins could be one of MLB's crown jewels if they could get rid of the idiots at the top. This is not a piece fighting against a new stadium. [Reading comprehension: -5] 785984[/snapback] What it is though, is fraught with factual errors. Never a good basis for credibility when the author has to stoop to distortions and misrepresentations to make his or her point. 786012[/snapback] Which factual errors? -That the firesales have alot to do with the struggling of the franchise in the pocket? -The fact that Henry and Loria have played the tune "without a new stadium this team is doomed from competing"? Because obviously the firesales have affected this franchise horrendously. And if this team was unable to compete without a new stadium they must be doing something great having gotten a WS title and on the verge of having 3 consecutive winning seasons. The Marlins need someone who will quit whining about where their money is and just take action, because once that happens the Marlins will be a "crown jewel" of the MLB. If you won't blame the leadership the Marlins have had then you are left blaming Miami Dade and the state of Florida and basically saying the Marlins Franchise is nothing but a leaf in a swirling wind that has no control over its future, only those in political office do.