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Don't get me wrong......I hope Uggla can win second base so I don't have to watch that stiff Pokey Reese play.

You might want to look up World Series history before you spew garbage. Mark Lemke hit .272, with 1 run and o RBI when the won in 1995. Anyone else see tons of irony in that? You know that they won in 1991, right? Nah, of course you don't. Want to bet your house on that.....Ferryboy? I meant Swift. Sorry, don't want to confuse you with David Samson's twin brother. Does the name Jack Morris mean anything to you. The Braves have won 1 World Series since Bobby Cox got there.

So, you wouldn't trade Luis Castillo for Carlos Beltran straight up if money wasn't a factor? 2004: 121 runs, 38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB 2003: 102 runs, 26 HR, 100 RBI, 41 SB 2002: 114 runs, 29 HR, 105 RBI, 35 SB 2001: 106 runs, 24 HR, 101 RBI, 31 SB 1999: 112 runs, 22 HR, 108 RBI, 27 SB Ahh, it's lovely to ignore stats that don't help you, let me complete those stat lines: 2004: .267 average, .367 OBP, 101 K's 2003: .307 average (career high), .389 OBP (career high), 81 K's (career low for a "full" season) 2002: .273 average, .346 OBP, 135 K's 2001: .306 average, .362 OBP, 120 K's 2000: (which you ignored completely) .247 average, .309 OBP, 69 K's, 7 HR, 44 RBI (99 games) 1999: .293 average, .337 OBP, 123 K's. Which, gives you a career .282 average and an average of 115 K's a season. How is runs scored flukey? It's dependant upon others in the lineup driving you in. RBI's are a flukey stat, so are runs scored. Those stats become inflated by the performance of others. OBP, average and K's are 100% related to the player and player only. You're right, I forgot about all those great line-ups Beltran was in on THE ROYALS! I think Castillo is a very good player, but he's not in Beltran's league as a hitter. How does average, K's or OBP have anything to do with the team? And you're acting as if the Marlins were a perennial threat, they weren't respected until 2004, when Castillo's best years were well past. Castillo put up vastly superior seasons with an equally crappy (or crappier) Marlins teams. What about everybody's new baby.....OPS? Yeah, Beltran hits the ball out of the infield quite frequently....thus the higher slugging percentage. Is that the job of a 2-hole or leadoff hitter, to fly out to left? Put the ball on the ground. The lead-off hitter and #2 batter are supposed to score runs.

What about everybody's new baby.....OPS? Yeah, Beltran hits the ball out of the infield quite frequently....thus the higher slugging percentage.

2004: 121 runs, 38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB 2003: 102 runs, 26 HR, 100 RBI, 41 SB 2002: 114 runs, 29 HR, 105 RBI, 35 SB 2001: 106 runs, 24 HR, 101 RBI, 31 SB 1999: 112 runs, 22 HR, 108 RBI, 27 SB Ahh, it's lovely to ignore stats that don't help you, let me complete those stat lines: 2004: .267 average, .367 OBP, 101 K's 2003: .307 average (career high), .389 OBP (career high), 81 K's (career low for a "full" season) 2002: .273 average, .346 OBP, 135 K's 2001: .306 average, .362 OBP, 120 K's 2000: (which you ignored completely) .247 average, .309 OBP, 69 K's, 7 HR, 44 RBI (99 games) 1999: .293 average, .337 OBP, 123 K's. Which, gives you a career .282 average and an average of 115 K's a season. How is runs scored flukey? It's dependant upon others in the lineup driving you in. RBI's are a flukey stat, so are runs scored. Those stats become inflated by the performance of others. OBP, average and K's are 100% related to the player and player only. You're right, I forgot about all those great line-ups Beltran was in on THE ROYALS! I think Castillo is a very good player, but he's not in Beltran's league as a hitter.

What about SLG Pct? Oh, we'll forget all about that one, right?

You might want to look up World Series history before you spew garbage. Mark Lemke hit .272, with 1 run and o RBI when the won in 1995.

How is runs scored flukey?

Are you serious. Have you not been looking at the numbers I've been posting? He had a bad year last year because he played with a broken cheek for a month. Beltran has never had a complete season.....what would you call these: 2004: 121 runs, 38 HR, 104 RBI, 42 SB 2003: 102 runs, 26 HR, 100 RBI, 41 SB 2002: 114 runs, 29 HR, 105 RBI, 35 SB 2001: 106 runs, 24 HR, 101 RBI, 31 SB 1999: 112 runs, 22 HR, 108 RBI, 27 SB

Does he have any speed? Could be a hybrid 2-hole guy. Well he stole more bases last season that Castillo (15 vs 10) and as many as 24 in 2003 in A ball. What conclusions you can draw from that I can't say difinitively. I guess we'll have to see what transpires in March and how Girardi uses guys in potential steal situations. :mischief2 Still, there has to be something wrong with him. Every stat report I've seen on him is quite impressive, and even coming from a system as loaded as the D'Backs, a guy like that usually shouldn't be left unprotected. Uggla and Petit are the two players I'm most looking forward to in the spring. When scouts compare you to Mark Lemke...maybe that's why he was un-protected.

Basically none. He probably is a good example for the young players....that's probably all.

Renteria has been a good player for a long time and will be fine coming back to the NL. He still scored 100 runs and drove in 70, so he wasn't that bad on offense. I think he will tighten his defense back up with Atlanta. I don't know what it is with Boston....but it eats players up. Manny Ramirez wants out, Pedro and Clemens had no problems walking away. When I think of media centers in this country.....Boston wouldn't come up in my top 10, so I wonder what goes on up there?

The Reds whiff alot and don't have any pitching...so I think we have a chance against them. You might be right about the Pirates though.....at least they tried to improve this off-season.

I don't think the Indians would have traded Crisp for Olsen. They needed a 3B for the future starting next season, and Marte is going to be a good one. They also un-loaded Riske and Bard and improved on both of those players with Mota and Shoppach. I know alot of people on this site probably don't like Mota....but he's a clear upgrade over a pitcher that had ZERO holds last year. I don't think holds are a good stat, I'm just stating it because it means that Eric Wedge NEVER pitched him with a lead all season....think about that a minute. The Indians also got over a million dollars and a player to be named. The Indians held the desperate Red Sox up at gun-point. Don't get me wrong, Crisp will do good for them....but he's not as good as Johnny Damon.

I hate the whole "premiere" game thing so much. Fish tank prices are still nice though. The "premiere" games should be against the Rockies, Reds and Pirates.........come see a team the Marlins might be able to beat. I certainly don't want to spend my money to watch them lose.

Braves fans are spoiled. It doesn't matter who plays shortstop for them....they will win the East AGAIN.....they always do.

Beltran is a better hitter period.

I don't know how scoring over 100 runs in five of seven season and knocking in 100 or more runs in five of seven seasons is not impressive to you. He's definatley a legit #3 hitter, and he did alot of that damage playing on really bad Royals teams. I'm betting he hits 30 homers, scores over 100 and knocks in over 100 this year. In Beltran's seven seasons, Luis Castillo has scored more runs then him once.

Encarnacion was healthy all year. Career: Castillo 1128 games, 675 runs scored, 271 RBI Beltran 1036 games, 699 runs scored, 647 RBI What are you not getting here? Beltran scores more runs, and is way more productive of a hitter.....it's all in the numbers. Post-season career: Castillo .211 AVG, .291 OBP, .268 SLG Beltran .435 AVG, .536 OBP, 1.022 SLG

Yeah, because Beltran hurt is still better than a AAA CF. Castillo 72 runs, 4 homers, 30 RBI, .356 SLG Beltran 83 runs, 16 homers, 78 RBI, .414 SLG In his career Luis Castillo has scored over 100 runs once in 10 years, and never has had more than 47 RBI. In his career Carlos Beltran has scored over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons, and knocked in over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons. So who's the better hitter.....use you brain and not your heart. Career slugging Percentage: Castillo .356 Beltran .479 Did you not read the career runs scored?

So Beltran playing with a broken cheek for a month didn't hurt his stats? At least he plays hurt.

Did you not read who scores more runs?

Castillo 72 runs, 4 homers, 30 RBI, .356 SLG Beltran 83 runs, 16 homers, 78 RBI, .414 SLG In his career Luis Castillo has scored over 100 runs once in 10 years, and never has had more than 47 RBI. In his career Carlos Beltran has scored over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons, and knocked in over 100 runs in 5 of seven seasons. So who's the better hitter.....use you brain and not your heart. Career slugging Percentage: Castillo .356 Beltran .479

I can't believe someone thinks Castillo is a better hitter than Beltran, that is plain stupidity.

I would take Cabrera over any player on the Mets roster.....that being said I have to agree with the Mets fan. The Mets are at least 25 games better than the Marlins.