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Has anyone noticed a shift work for our egotistic, moronic manager this year? Solid.

Why should I be nice outside of that, if the goal is to get a great job and make more money than you why the heck would I care about you or what happens to you, my goal is to get to the top faster than anyone. Outside of believing in Christ and the Word of God, only I matter in essence. But yea there are just "good" people, who chose to do the right thing, I understand that. To say it doesn't make it any more valid because it's in a book that people believe is the Word of God though is silly. It makes it more valid to me. This shows an unsurprisingly predictable small-minded view towards the nature of humanity. Do some research on the concept of reciprocal altruism and how it is theorized to relate to the evolution of humanity.

There are a few fallacies in your logic. I'll list them and see if you can understand: 1: That anyone here is making the argument that, if someone is born in a way, it must be legal, no matter what that thing is. 2: That anyone here thinks that people are not accountable for their own actions as a result of their nature. 3: That violently raping children is the equivalent to consensual sex with an adult who happens to have the same genitalia as you.

This has turned into one of the silliest threads I've seen. Everyone here should be ashamed of themselves. Myself included for acknowledging this atrocity. btb

I would wait until after the fourth preseason game.

The Bell quotes don't really anger me, but that's a dumb thing for him to say. He seems to be suggesting that the Marlins are the only team that made offseason moves that required players to get acclimated to new clubhouses. It's pretty much a constant in baseball and it doesn't prevent talented teams from performing well during the first couple of months of the season. I don't think he is. I think it's dumb jock speak, but I think he was saying that this specific team did not come together as they should or could have. It's an excuse, but it's an excuse that every player on a bad team has used. People are overreacting to every thing Bell says, because he had a bad year. That seems dumb to me.

If someone else had said it, nobody bats an eye. Whatever.

I feel like people are starting to get ridiculous with the Heat Bell hate. That was a pretty innocuous quote.

There's a lot of debate here over taxes and insurance but none about care.. Shouldn't access to healthcare be a right? Healthcare is treatment. Treatment is performed by an individual, through his labor and effort. You don't have the right to someone's labor and effort. That's a narrow view of the issue, though. Nobody is saying "Doctors have to work for free."

Every single evasive technique you just used to avoid taking responsibility for the truly abhorrent rules in the bible can be used just as easily to not be opposed to gay marriage.The point is, you pick and choose which bits are comfortable for you, which makes your inconsistency regarding gay marriage plainly obvious.

There is nothing in the Bible that talks about interracial marriage being wrong, if you think that you're taking the Bible out of context. It does say that a virgin who is raped outside of a city has to marry the man who did it, provided that he pays a fee to her father. Would you like to see that codified into law? Oh, it also says that if a woman says she is a virgin upon marriage and her husband says she isn't, her mother and father have to produce proof that she was a virgin, or the men of town have to stone her for bringing shame upon her father's house. Should the government get involved in the woman's murder, or can we handle this as a mob? "You must purge the evil from among you."

Wow a whole ten game career for the Marlins #2 pick in the 2009 draft, I sure hope they fire the guy that said to draft this one! It's probably easy to spot a labrum surgery and then steroid use.

Melky Cabrera is the most hated 200 hit player of all time. Probably because he's not a good center fielder and he had a .729 career OPS entering this season.

MOST hetero couples go in with the assumption that offspring are possible, ALL homo couples go in with the absolute impossibility of offspring. You don't seem to get what I'm saying, you're picking nits. But that isn't nit picking. It is an argument that holds up to zero scrutiny. The ability to have children has no bearing, whatsoever, on whether any one should be able to get married. You even agree with this statement. You only draw the line when it comes to the ability of homosexuals to be married, which you do regardless of whether they can have children or not. But marriage doesn't have anything to do with having children.

We've beaten the crap out of it over the last 50 years, and we're paying the price. Judging by this thread, we'll continue to denigrate it, further demean it and finally demolish it. Sorry, this is a bunch of horse sh*t. This argument is exactly why I brought up the "other definitions" of marriage in the past. 50 years ago, it was perfectly legal in the United States to deny a black man the right to marry a white woman. If ending stuff like that means we've "beaten the crap out of" traditional marriage, then I say keep f***ing swinging. The definition of marriage has changed throughout the history of human civilization. The modern definition of marriage (any man, any woman, freely entering into a marriage) is a relatively recent concept.

Right. Either way, I would guess nobody was really complaining about him then. A .600 SLG is still pretty awesome, even with a crappy OBP. The complains about Jacobs were more when he was putting up a mediocre .800 OPS with the sub-.300 OBP.

OPS is one of the best indicators of overall scoring, but OBP x 1.4 + SLG is an even better correlation. Remember, we were screaming about how bad Jacobs sucked at a point in the season his OPS was nearly .900, because his OBP was sub-.300 Mike Jacobs' best OPS with the Marlins was .812. That aside, even if you do OBP x 1.4 + SLG, the gap between them is negligible: .868 for Lee, .830 for Lomo. Besides RBI and hitting in RISP in a 140 PA sample size, there is no argument to be made that it is in the best interests of the Marlins in the long- or short-term to bring back Lee for anything above the minimum at the expense of playing time for Lomo.

Wasn't my argument. OK. But it still doesn't work. Hetero couples go in with assumption that offspring are possible, homo couples go in with the absolute impossibility of offspring. Negative, at least not when speaking in absolutes like that. Hetero couples in which one or both of the partners are infertile or post-childbearing age go in with the absolute impossibility of offspring. You would not deny them the privilege of marriage, would you? That is why "the ability to procreate" is, reasonably, not a precondition for marriage. If you want to say "A man and a man should not get married," whatever. That's your belief/opinion. But that specific argument as to why you think that belief is justified does not hold up to scrutiny, and you should discard it.

Wasn't my argument. I was pointing out why listing the ability to procreate as a precondition for marriage is a silly argument. Oh, really? So, an argument that you didn't make isn't appropos to an argument that I didn't make? You absolutely did make that argument. "Gay "marriage" is an oxymoron. There are no offspring to whom to whom anything can be transmitted." Your argument in that sentence was that a union between two men or women cannot be a "marriage" because they cannot produce offspring. If that wasn't your argument, maybe you should clarify it

So, you've given up on the "infertile" argument, eh? Wasn't my argument. I was pointing out why listing the ability to procreate as a precondition for marriage is a silly argument. You're not really addressing anything anyone is saying in response to you, so this probably isn't worth anyone's time.

Overall production still counts for something. Even if you want to weigh OBP more heavily, the gap in production is not worth keeping Lee over Lomo, once everything else is factored. Also, he still has just a .2 WAR with the Marlins. He's been better than Lomo, but let's not act like he's been anything approaching good or valuable.

I don't believe Carlos possesses a magical ability, I simply think he "stays within himself" a lot better than Lomo does when a scoring opportunity presents itself, as the numbers clearly indicate. Comparing him to Lomo, when trying to figure out Lee's ability, is not the right way to go about things. You should compare Lee in scoring chances with Lee otherwise; when you look at it this way, he does not seem special. As a hitter, Lee might be marginally better than Lomo right now, but with no upside and a higher price tag. That he has one 120 at bat sample size of decent hitting with runners in scoring position does not change the fundamental facts of the argument.

It should be about preserving one of the basic pillars of our society, namely marriage between one man and one woman. Except that even that is a relatively recent "pillar", at least as far as it exists in western society. Up until very recently (relatively speaking, across the span of human existence), arranged and forced marriages were an accepted part of many cultures, and still are in some parts of the world. In the United States, it was legal until 1967 for states to ban "non-traditional" marriages between races. For much of the Southern United States, "marriage between one man and one woman of the same race" was a basic pillar of society. You aren't make arguments for why "marriage between one man and one woman" needs to be legally defended and restricted; you are making arguments for why it has been defended and restricted in the past. Culture has shifted over the course of human existence, and generally in the right direction. Under biblical law, if a virgin was raped outside of a city's limits, her attacker was forced, by law, to marry her and pay a fine to her father for the right to do so. The fact that that no longer happens is progress. The fact that it used to be accepted is detestable and monstrous, and the fact that it no longer is is the result of the "progressives" of various eras moving culture in the right direction.

For all of the "better production" Carlos Lee has given the Marlins, his OPS is all of .032 points higher than Lomo's this season with the Marlins. If it's a question of $4-5M for Lee or the minimum for Lomo, there's no question you take the upside play of Lomo, especially since you still have to hope he develops into a long-term piece for you. 2012 OPS w/ RISP Lee .841 Morrison .593 Even if you believe that Lee has some magical ability to improve his game with RISP (A hypothesis for which there is little proof, in Lee's career), you are still left with the fact that he has a .640 with the bases empty, a situation in which he comes up far more often. I'm not going to keep a guy because he's passes in every fifth at bat, especially when he is old, has no upside and will likely cost a few million.

Gay "marriage" is an oxymoron. There are no offspring to whom to whom anything can be transmitted. Infertile couples should also be limited to civil unions then, rather than be allowed to marry, no?