There is, however, a difference between those people and people that I know that download: those people shared files, most everyone I know doesn't make that mistake. So technically, they aren't "traders". They are more like free-loaders.

So if I take your car, am I just sharing it? Better example, if I copy your term paper, am I just sharing it? Sharing is bogus, it's stealing.

 

Just so you all know, this really isn't directed at anyone in particular. You obviously mistook what I said. To download a song, someone else has to be sharing it, no? It has to come from somewhere. The people being sought are those that share massive amounts of songs, not those who download.

I'm talking purely from a moral standpoint. Stealing is stealing, I'm not getting into the government suing people and such.

Napster users don't get sued now because it switched over to a 99 cent fee per song.

but napster was still sued! and the users werent! that would be like if kazaa started charging 99 because it would be the same situation as with napster

the whole mcdonalds thing is insane.

 

That's why it is about simple morals. Would you want someone copying YOUR term paper or stealing your milk or whatever it is. It is still stealing and stealing is always wrong.

morals dont come into a lawsuit case. theres no such thing as morals inside a courtroom.

Napster users don't get sued now because it switched over to a 99 cent fee per song.

I think he was talking about when it got sued originally, not when it switched over to be a paying program.

Napster users don't get sued now because it switched over to a 99 cent fee per song.

but napster was still sued! and the users werent! that would be like if kazaa started charging 99 because it would be the same situation as with napster Kazaa is based somewhere in New Zealand or somewhere like that where laws don't prohibit operating that type of business. Napster was based in the US, therefore the US went after the source, not the users.

Kazaa is based somewhere in New Zealand or somewhere like that where laws don't prohibit operating that type of business. Napster was based in the US, therefore the US went after the source, not the users.

thankyou for clarifying that up

maybe the music downloaders are stealing

but no one can deny money has been stolen from the public for years thru 20 dollar CDs and high priced concert tickets

 

fact is, its the music industry's fault for today's downloading of songs

in other words, its the music industry that created the problem and now its the music industry thats complainging about it

I don't download music but I think the music industry needs to smarten up and protect themselves better. There's other ways to stop this from happening than just suing people.

downloading music actually makes me buy more music. I would never buy a Tim McGraw cd if I hadn't downloaded some of his music first. Same with Cast Iron Filter. A small-time band that should be more worried about every cd bought (because, they don't go platinum or gold), I download a bunch of their music, and decide to buy 2 cds of their's.

 

Downloading = :thumbup

downloading music actually makes me buy more music. I would never buy a Tim McGraw cd if I hadn't downloaded some of his music first. Same with Cast Iron Filter. A small-time band that should be more worried about every cd bought (because, they don't go platinum or gold), I download a bunch of their music, and decide to buy 2 cds of their's.

 

Downloading = :thumbup

True...

 

I wouldn't have bought Binary Star cd if it wasn't for music downloads.Is atually a good tool to sample some of underground music to see if it really worth spending your hard earn money.

maybe the music downloaders are stealing

There you have it.

 

Theya re providing you a service. The reason I don't get massages is because they're expensive. I don't go holding up a maseus (sp) and demanding a massage because their prices are "practical stealing." No, they're high prices and if you don't like it, don't get the product. It is rather simple.

i totally agree with cape

i usually sample a few songs off an artist's cd, and if i like it, i buy it

 

and i agree with nc marlin

the music industry has to smarten up and protect themselves instead of alienating the people who buy music and concert tix in the first place

 

what pisses me off is that its the big time mega artists pushing for these lawsuits. the difference thatll make in theyre wallets is negligible considering all these artists have already made millions upon millions of dollars

What's so bad about open source? Linux is open source and 1,000 times better than Windows...

What's so bad about open source? Linux is open source and 1,000 times better than Windows...

fine, then use linux, don't force a company to give up its code if something else is apparently 1000 times better.

There is no reason to drag religion into this.

 

The question was open sourcing and downloading music.

 

Let's stick to the topic subject and stop personalizing these threads for selfish reasons.

 

No one gains anything when the arguements demean other posters.

 

Keep it clean, gentlemen and stop the finger pointing.

when has SorianoFan ever failed to drag religion into a totally unrelated topic? It's his gimmick.

 

Oh and I've got a question Soriano, I own the iTunes program and download from them. Am I a thief too?

i assume you're paying the .99 cents per song?

 

 

Then no

What's so bad about open source? Linux is open source and 1,000 times better than Windows...

fine, then use linux, don't force a company to give up its code if something else is apparently 1000 times better. If Microsoft were to go open source it improve their software 100%... but wait... Bill Gates wouldn't be profitting though...

ohhhhhh

Stealing is a matter of morals K and when some "moral" people outright go against their own religion, I jsut point out that they're hypocrites.